What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[squint]

Stop sending these to me, please. You need to post to Skinner. He's the one as you imagine to be that way.

I posted a very very simple scriptural fact. That people are tempted within, that those thoughts are evil and they are defiling.

You are certainly welcome to deny that happens. It doesn't matter to me if you do or not.

To me it's a very simple christian understanding. And one that is able to be discussed peacefully without condemnation, as I condemn no believer for having temptations. I know they are of the tempter and the tempter is CONDEMNED.

It's only a pity to not see the simplicity of the observation and try to spin it up some other way.

s

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by squint

If a person claims they have no internal temptation after salvation, that it is not of the tempter and not evil and defiling, what do you expect me to say?
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Stop sending these to me, please. You need to post to Skinner. He's the one as you imagine to be that way.


In the mean time. Your sin nature is being broadcasted all over the place in how you make up stuff about me. Its sin you know, when you do that. Sin. I know you are a believer.

I got you figured out. The first time I thought you simply made a mistake. But as you became consistently hitting a wall.. I realize that you simply like to toy and manipulate others. Either that? Or you have a serious problem with perceiving what another is saying. If it continues and you do not correct yourself? God's mercy = Ignore function.
Then I can leave you to just you and Skinner, and stay out of it.

Wishing you a nice Day. Say hello to Skinner for me!

Who's Skinner?


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[Ellwood3]

I will like to know what have been our personal understanding of the Ten Commandments and they relationship in the work of salvation.
I believe that putting our believes to the test is useful to gaining a right perspective.
I have placed a poll where you can vote more than once according to what you have accepted/understood from scripture.
Maybe we can come to a consensus at the end of the exercise.

I like what Kenneth Wuest said about Grace versus Law: He said the Law was like posting a sign on the road with a speed limit. Grace is like police on motor vehicles watching the road. His point is that Grace is always stronger than the law.

So the 10 Commandments were designed to tell us how we fall short. They don't empower us to do well. Grace is a gift and God lives His life through us.

Another cool thing. Consider the days and how they relate to the provision of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

The Israelites wandered in the desert 40 days. Moses went up to God, stayed there 10 days. Came down with the Law. How many people were killed? (Because they were worshipping Baal/a golden calf?)

About 3,000 (Exodus 32).

Now--look at the New Testament. Acts 2:

How many days after Jesus rose from the dead was He on earth? 40.

Jesus went up to Heaven. How many days did the disciples wait before the Holy Spirit came down? 10.

How many people were saved?

About 3,000.

So in God's stunning way He has drawn us a parallel:

MOSES: 40 days wandering/ ascends mountain up to God/ 10 days later Law comes down/ 3,000 die

JESUS: 40 days after resurrection/ ascends to God/ 10 days later Holy Spirit comes down/ 3,000 saved


That tells me, the Law brings death, the Spirit brings life. Not that the 10 Commandments aren't good, but Grace transcends the Law.

I heard this explanation of the pattern in the days, from Ray Vander Laan, whose "Faith Lessons" video series is used throughout many denominations. These are his web sites:

http://www.followtherabbi.com/

http://rvl-on.com/about/

 

[GenemZ]

I posted a very very simple scriptural fact. That people are tempted within, that those thoughts are evil and they are defiling.

You are certainly welcome to deny that happens. It doesn't matter to me if you do or not.

Forget about your imaginary friend Skinner for a moment.

Over here! Me!
Have I denied it? Show me where. Or, shut up.

 

[GenemZ]

Who's Skinner?


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Squints imaginary friend. The one who keeps saying things that I do not. Apparently, Squint thinks when folks like you read what he accuses me of, that you are going to assume I said them. He is making stuff up that I have not said, nor claimed. He's sinning because he is bearing false witness against me.

Look here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7789082-86/#post64716085

 

[squint]

Squints imaginary friend. The one who keeps saying things that I do not. Apparently, Squint thinks when folks like you read what he accuses me of, that you are going to assume I said them. He is making stuff up that I have not said, nor claimed. He's sinning because he is bearing false witness against me.

Look here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7789082-86/#post64716085

I put up a simple construct of fact.

If your belief is that there is no internal temptation by the tempter, just say so. Trying to insert skinner is a making of your own imagination.

The tempter is SATAN, not skinner.

s

 

[shturt678s]

I put up a simple construct of fact.

If your belief is that there is no internal temptation by the tempter, just say so. Trying to insert skinner is a making of your own imagination.

The tempter is SATAN, not skinner.

s

Satan in his person had a problem with Jesus and Michael at the Cross thus cannot directly tempt anyone until he's loosed.

Jack

Although genez and I agree to disagree at many points, he's always been a stand up Christian, and even nimble minded as well as articulate, ie, just a head's up my friend.

You do have one thing going for you, ie, you care!

 

[squint]

Satan in his person had a problem with Jesus and Michael at the Cross thus cannot directly tempt anyone until he's loosed.

Very fanciful Jack

 

[shturt678s]

Very fanciful Jack

Let's eyeball Rev.12:7-12, ie, v.12, "...devil went down to you,..." appears to support your view. Satan in his person received a knock out blow from Michael, ie, the effects and result of Christ's entronement and exaltation at the Cross sir.

Rev.12:13 - chapter 13 unveils that Satan is in hell (Rev.20:2, etc.) and must operate through his agencies, ie, the two beasts in Rev.13 - antichristian power and propaganda right this moment.

Not very fanciful in light of IIThess.2:10b now, ie, this moment sir,

Jack

 

[squint]

Let's eyeball Rev.12:7-12, ie, v.12, "...devil went down to you,..." appears to support your view. Satan in his person received a knock out blow from Michael, ie, the effects and result of Christ's entronement and exaltation at the Cross sir.

Apparently NOT Jack.

A POST CROSS statement of fact from JESUS:

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Knock out blow you say?

Sorry.

s

 

[squint]

Believers without temptation or interferance from Satan?

1 Corinthians 7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.

Jesus told us all in the Gospels that the sowing of the Word moves Satan into action---> in the mind and heart.

The Law/Word is not a matter of man only. Matt. 13, Mark 4, Luke 8 all show otherwise.

I guess if we stick our fingers in our ears and go la la la that will make the facts go away? Christian Victory by refusing to observe the facts?

???

We have enemies. We 'wrestle' with those enemies:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

No wrestling match? No battles? No temptations? No people to turn from the power of SATAN?

Guess again.

s

 

[shturt678s]

Apparently NOT Jack.

A POST CROSS statement of fact from JESUS:

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Knock out blow you say?

Sorry.

s

I, too, like working with objective facts. Acts26:18, "...authority of Satan" and all the other uses of the term "Satan" after the Cross in the N.T. are personifications due to Satan in his person was cast into hell (Rev.12:7, etc. & Rev.20:2, etc.) and unable hinder the Gospel in his person until Rev.20:7 sir.

I think Michael even kicked Satan when he was down, but the main thing Satan took a real beating.

Jack grabbing onto IIPet.1:20, 21

btw enjoy wroking with you, ie, a head's up: not many enjoy working with old me for some reason?

 

[squint]

I, too, like working with objective facts. Acts26:18, "...authority of Satan" and all the other uses of the term "Satan" after the Cross in the N.T. are personifications due to Satan in his person was cast into hell (Rev.12:7, etc. & Rev.20:2, etc.) and unable hinder the Gospel in his person until Rev.20:7 sir.

I think Michael even kicked Satan when he was down, but the main thing Satan took a real beating.

Jack grabbing onto IIPet.1:20, 21

btw enjoy wroking with you, ie, a head's up: not many enjoy working with old me for some reason?

Satan cannot tempt? Surely you jest?

 

[shturt678s]

Satan cannot tempt? Surely you jest?

Through his agencies, yes. Satan in his person until Rev.20:7, no.

Jack

 

[GenemZ]

I put up a simple construct of fact.

If your belief is that there is no internal temptation by the tempter, just say so. Trying to insert skinner is a making of your own imagination.

The tempter (Satan) is external. The tempter (internal) is the flesh. Satan appeals to the flesh. But, he is never internal..... unless you are demon possessed.

 

[GenemZ]

Through his agencies, yes. Satan in his person until Rev.20:7, no.

Jack

Satan can only be in place at a time. He will delegate to his demons the dirty work. But, if someone like Paul appears on the scene..Satan may pay special attention.

If a typical believer thinks its actually Satan himself who is after him, he is either suffering from a colossal ego problem, or a bad case of ignorance. Satan only pays attention to super grace believers. Such believers are very rare. Otherwise, Satan delegates his demons to do his bidding. In that sense, Satan is after a believer.

Its like saying... The President of the United States is after someone. How does he know? He just got audited by the IRS and is only making an average income. (Its not the president who is personally after him. But, the president is.) In this case,.. Satan's IRS agents are his demons.

 

[shturt678s]

Satan can only be in place at a time. He will delegate to his demons the dirty work. But, if someone like Paul appears on the scene..Satan may pay special attention.

If a typical believer thinks its actually Satan himself who is after him, he is either suffering from a colossal ego problem, or a bad case of ignorance. Satan only pays attention to super grace believers. Such believers are very rare. Otherwise, Satan delegates his demons to do his bidding. In that sense, Satan is after a believer.

Its like saying... The President of the United States is after someone. How does he know? He just got audited by the IRS and is only making an average income. (Its not the president who is personally after him. But, the president is.) In this case,.. Satan's IRS agents are his demons.

Don't have my Bible with me but didn't satan have a problem in his person at Lk.11:21, 22 or nearby? I thought he was cast into the abyss at Rev.20:2?

Curious Jack, however do agree with a lot of your posit.

 

[GenemZ]

Don't have my Bible with me but didn't satan have a problem in his person at Lk.11:21, 22 or nearby? I thought he was cast into the abyss at Rev.20:2?

Curious Jack, however do agree with a lot of your posit.

Luke 11 concerns demons. Its not Satan himself.

14 And He was casting out a demon, and it was mute; when the demon had gone out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed. 15 But some of them said, “He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.” 16 Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven.
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Now... if you look at Matthew 12, you will see that the casting out of Satan is a synonymous term with casting out of actual demons, not Satan.

22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw. 23 All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
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[shturt678s]

Luke 11 concerns demons. Its not Satan himself.

14 And He was casting out a demon, and it was mute; when the demon had gone out, the mute man spoke; and the crowds were amazed. 15 But some of them said, “He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the ruler of the demons.” 16 Others, to test Him, were demanding of Him a sign from heaven.
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Now... if you look at Matthew 12, you will see that the casting out of Satan is a synonymous term with casting out of actual demons, not Satan.

22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw. 23 All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”
25 And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27 If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29 Or how can anyone enter the strong man’s house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house.
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Almost home to check Lk.11:21, 22 as I was sure this was the first defeat of Satan where afterwards Satan was forced to use others, ie, no more personal attacks where at the Cross Satan totally conquered.

Checking Jack

 

[GenemZ]

Almost home to check Lk.11:21, 22 as I was sure this was the first defeat of Satan where afterwards Satan was forced to use others, ie, no more personal attacks where at the Cross Satan totally conquered.

Checking Jack

Jack, keep in mind. When the term 'Satan' was used it was speaking of demons, not Satan himself. Very few people got the direct attention of Satan. Judas is one who is mentioned to have had personal contact with Satan. Almost all the others were contacts with demons. Of course, during his time of temptation in the wilderness, it was Satan himself that appeared to Jesus. Someone here has been claiming that Satan personally tempts us. There is a need to learn how the term was used back then. Once that is established, I think this conflict of words can cease.