What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[Godisgood12]

the Ten Commandments are still in effect

Unless you want to serve sin... of course.

 

[squint]

The last time I checked, God confronted Moses full on with the Commandments. He was so Holy, he came down the mountain blinded, with his face burnt.
(if anything, imagine the trip back )

Seems legitimate enough for me- the Ten Commandments are still in effect
God went out His way to expound on these points of Godliness. They are even literally set in stone.

One does not escape the determination of the Law proving everyone a sinner by merely external actions or rituals.

Such measures mean nothing. The most apparently legal person viewed from the outside actions can still be found an utterly vile sinner IN HEART regardless.

And everyone will be found a sinner under the law. Every last one of us.

External measures are not going to or be able to dodge the obvious.

All have sin, period.

s

 

[GenemZ]

I will like to know what have been our personal understanding of the Ten Commandments and they relationship in the work of salvation.
I believe that putting our believes to the test is useful to gaining a right perspective.
I have placed a poll where you can vote more than once according to what you have accepted/understood from scripture.
Maybe we can come to a consensus at the end of the exercise.

The Ten Commandments were mandated not just for the believers. It was commanded of ALL Israel. Believer and unbeliever. The Ten Commandments were designed by God to establish national freedom and order, not salvation.

 

[SwordFall]

One does not escape the determination of the Law proving everyone a sinner by merely external actions or rituals.

Such measures mean nothing. The most apparently legal person viewed from the outside actions can still be found an utterly vile sinner IN HEART regardless.

And everyone will be found a sinner under the law. Every last one of us.

External measures are not going to or be able to dodge the obvious.

All have sin, period.

s

That's nice, but tell me this:

What is the difference between Gandhi and Hitler?

A lot, a whole flogging lot, and yet the most evil goes to Heaven? Or what, Gandhi should not receive salvation over you?

That is complete BS. I refuse to have anything to do with your stupid belief, you can rather go to Hell yourself. How is it like to go to Hell for no apparent reason? Sucks, I bet, good you aren't one of them, right?

WAKE UP

 

[squint]

That's nice, but tell me this:

What is the difference between Gandhi and Hitler?

Oh, I know that 'murder' to the RCC is only gauged on the external action.

Jesus says otherwise. If you need the references: Matt. 15:18-20 and Mark 7:20-23 among many others available.

Unless we could genuinely SEE into the heart of Gandhi we have no idea. He could have murdered just as many people in thought/heart than Hitler for all we know.

God does not judge sin merely by EXTERNAL ACTIONs.

A lot, a whole flogging lot, and yet the most evil goes to Heaven? Or what, Gandhi should not receive salvation over you?

Evil comes from 'within.' It is assuredly evil and it assuredly defiles.

That is complete BS. I refuse to have anything to do with your stupid belief, you can rather go to Hell yourself. How is it like to go to Hell for no apparent reason? Sucks, I bet, good you aren't one of them, right?

You are welcome to claim your 'sin' or lack of same will NOT be based on heart. That claim will not escape ANY person from being found out to be an actual SINNER in heart, period.

Truth hurts, donut?

Grace is UNmerited and God Saves sinners. IF you think that is BS I'd suggest your own sect believes it as well. We are saved by Grace that NO MAN should boast about how 'legal' he was to justify saving himself.

You can certainly try it though and see if God buys that angle.

s

 

[from scratch]

Unless you want to serve sin... of course.

What happened to the Holy Spirit?

 

[from scratch]

What gives you the idea that SDA's do not accept that sin starts in the mind? Again I give you credit for that fact.
What is the fear, the evil, in saying that one should not have idols as a Christian? How can that be legalistic? Because I do not steal I am legalistic?

My non Christian neighbor doesn't steal either. Does that make him a legalist and Christian possessing salvation? Is he even being obedient to the law (Ten Commandments)?

 

[SwordFall]

Unless we could genuinely SEE into the heart of Gandhi we have no idea. He could have murdered just as many people in thought/heart than Hitler for all we know.

Gandhi performed the Salt March, one of the most beautiful events in human history that rivals even Moses.

People died in it, do a little bit of research.
I dare you to actually go in front of God and count yourself more righteous then him, who was not Christian.
I couldn't bear the thought of going to Heaven with those like yourself, with people like him in Hell.
How do you even live with that?

It's crap, through and through. Wake up and smell the coffee, what in the hell is the matter with you, really- are you really that far gone?

 

[from scratch]

Protestants idolize the Bible in the same way they condemn Catholics for doing with actual, living, saintly people in the realms above.

I personally don't think there is any merit in that argument either.

 

[from scratch]

Every person in this thread merely excuses their evil defiling thoughts.

Nothing new about that action. Been going on from day 1.

s

Oh hogwash too!!!

 

[from scratch]

The last time I checked, God confronted Moses full on with the Commandments. He was so Holy, he came down the mountain blinded, with his face burnt.
(if anything, imagine the trip back )

Seems legitimate enough for me- the Ten Commandments are still in effect
God went out His way to expound on these points of Godliness. They are even literally set in stone.

Really? I'd like to see the verse.

 

[squint]

Oh hogwash too!!!

You are already on record that Grace does not justify sin no differently than the law does not justify breaking it, thereby sinning.

There really isn't much difference in either case is there?

 

[GenemZ]

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The Ten Commandments were mandated by the Lord not just for the believers. It was commanded for ALL of Israel. For the believers and unbelievers.

The Ten Commandments were designed by God to establish national freedom and order, not salvation.

 

[hogndog]

No its not hogwash its hogndog..

Hi genez..

 

[GenemZ]

No its not hogwash its hogndog..

Hi genez..

Well hello! Long time no see!

 

[Rev Randy]

I have a solution to the issue:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[SwordFall]

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The Ten Commandments were mandated by the Lord not just for the believers. It was commanded for ALL of Israel. For the believers and unbelievers.

The Ten Commandments were designed by God to establish national freedom and order, not salvation.

Yeah, well, don't follow them, and you'll be in for a mighty surprise come judgement.
That goes for all you osas believers.

 

[squint]

I have a solution to the issue:
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That must have been how Paul landed in this condition.

1 Timothy 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

 

[squint]

Yeah, well, don't follow them, and you'll be in for a mighty surprise come judgement.
That goes for all you osas believers.

Threatening believers salvation here is not in vogue, nor were you appointed that seat from what I recall.

 

[Elder 111]

Paul was very clear that the law prompts the activity within and in everyone who is honest they will A C K N O W L E D G E this fact before God and other believers in H O N E S T Y.

Those thoughts are evil and they are D E F I L I N G.

Hence Paul's conclusion in Romans 7:21.

Any 'honest' believer will come to the identical conclusion. That evil is in fact present with us.

Measuring these matters only in external fashion is worthless. So says Jesus.

Anyone can claim they are not stealing on the outside and therefore obeying the LAW. It is a totally different matter when acknowledging what happens inside of us when indwelling sin meets LAW.

Only an honest man, LED of the SPIRIT can come to an honest conclusion.

Most will continue to ply their legalism only on the outside of the CUP in classic blinded Pharisee fashions.

s

That is a condition that has nothing to do with acknowledging the law as is should. In other word if I say don't steal, or say it has no jurisdiction over me does not make a difference in my heart. So to negate the law simply because the heart may not comply is not wise. Nor to cry down persons because they uphold the law is not wise either. Rom. 7:
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Paul admits he struggled with living to the requirements of God in the Law not the removal of the law was not His way about it. The echo is that you can live up to it so remove it. Liston to Paul.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. ( your point but do you see Paul negating the law here. NO!)

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.