Evidence for Design (3)

[Dave Ellis]

what is abiogenesis without evolution?

Abiogenesis

 

[createdtoworship]

Then what, specifically is the nature and amount of the difference in CSI levels between this structure:
Sphinx In Egypt Royalty Free Stock Photo - Image: 13868805

and this structure:
Sphinx (Romania) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

?

you should really buy the book NFL No FRee Lunch by dembski, it goes into all of these details.

other than that the link I posted are perfect examples of mathmatical csi

 

[createdtoworship]

No. Because CSI has never been scientifically defined in any quantifiable way.

what about the links I posted and dembskis book?

 

[EternalDragon]

No. Because CSI has never been scientifically defined in any quantifiable way.

The biological definition is not applied to stone structures.

"composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#cite_note-5

 

[createdtoworship]

Abiogenesis

prove there is absolutely no evolution within abiogenesis.

furthermore, what mechanism must be achieved for an organism, cell, amoeba, etc to be matured for abiogenesis to stop and furthermore for evolution to start?

I await your response.

 

[Loudmouth]

and you know every single peer review institution in america do you? nnice!

When asked for a peer reviewed paper you link to a non-peer reviewed fake journal. What does that tell you?

I actually read it yes, you,

Then discuss it.

ID proponents talk about how they are silenced and not allowed to talk about ID. Here we are in an open forum and you refuse to talk about ID. Go figure.

do I have to do everything?

You have to support your claims. You are claiming that there is ID science in peer reviewed journals. Show us.

what you can't read?

What, you can't support your assertions?

 

[Loudmouth]

prove there is absolutely no evolution within abiogenesis.

Once you have evolution you have life, so there can't be abiogenesis. Once you have an imperfect replicator that can compete for limited resources you have reached the end of abiogenesis and the beginning of evolution.

 

[Loudmouth]

what is abiogenesis without evolution?

What is stellar fusion without metallurgy? The metals had to come from fusion of hydrogen and heavier elements inside of a stars core, so should we then say that stellar fusion and the working of metals is one in the same?

 

[Loudmouth]

The biological definition is not applied to stone structures.

"composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity#cite_note-5

How is that evidence for design? If we take away parts until something no longer works, how does this prove design? Why wouldn't evolved systems have the same properties?

 

[Loudmouth]

here is one

evidence of design in bird wings:
Evidence Of Design In Bird Feathers And Avian Respiration

How does this support Intelligent Design? What experiments did they do to test ID hypotheses? What was their null hypothesis?

 

[Dave Ellis]

prove there is absolutely no evolution within abiogenesis.

Because evolution and abiogenesis are two totally separate things... You may as well be asking me to prove there's no biology in nuclear physics. It's a nonsensical request.

furthermore, what mechanism must be achieved for an organism, cell, amoeba, etc to be matured for abiogenesis to stop and furthermore for evolution to start?

I await your response.

Abiogenesis is a field of study to determine how self-replicating life originated.... So, once you have an extremely primitive self replicating life form of some kind, then abiogenesis is over.

Evolution would kick in once that self replicating life form starts to undergo changes and is subject to natural selection.

 

[createdtoworship]

Because evolution and abiogenesis are two totally separate things... You may as well be asking me to prove there's no biology in nuclear physics. It's a nonsensical request.
.

it's actually more accurate to say "prove there is no neuclear in nuclear physics"

abiogenesis relies on evolution as it's primary engine.

prove me wrong.

I await your response.

 

[createdtoworship]

How does this support Intelligent Design? What experiments did they do to test ID hypotheses? What was their null hypothesis?

read it and find out, it's free for download.

 

[createdtoworship]

Once you have evolution you have life, so there can't be abiogenesis. Once you have an imperfect replicator that can compete for limited resources you have reached the end of abiogenesis and the beginning of evolution.

what mechanism prohibits abiogenesis at a certain point and enables evolution?

 

[Loudmouth]

what mechanism prohibits abiogenesis at a certain point and enables evolution?

Biological reproduction.

 

[Loudmouth]

read it and find out, it's free for download.

Support your own claims.

 

[bhsmte]

read it and find out, it's free for download.

No, state your case.

We await your response.

 

[Loudmouth]

abiogenesis relies on evolution as it's primary engine.

The theory of evolution would be unchanged if a simple RNA replicator was created by a deity or advanced race, and then life as we see it evolved from that RNA replicator.

Evolution relies on abiogenesis as much as car repair or metallurgy relies on the Big Bang.

prove me wrong.

Prove yourself right.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

Do you understand how logic works or not?

 

[EternalDragon]

How is that evidence for design? If we take away parts until something no longer works, how does this prove design? Why wouldn't evolved systems have the same properties?

What is designing the parts?

 

[HitchSlap]

What is designing the parts?

Legos?