What did Paul preach to the Corinthians?

[janxharris]

A church is the body of the elect in a certain location. Corinthians was written from a believer to believers. Nonbelievers who happen to read it are invited to believe, but do not qualify for being the audience until they do.

Evidently Paul disagrees.

Why? There is an "I" - Paul - and a "you" - the Corinthians - in verse 3 itself. "I" and "you" make "we," and thus if "we" appears in the same verse, there's no contextual reason to make the pronoun inclusive of unnamed and unmentioned unregenerate. The nearest reference to an unbeliever is probably in verse 25, when Paul makes reference to Christ's enemies. Paul has taken many turns in his train of thought by this point, so this is too distant to inform us about the nature of the antecedents of a pronoun paragraphs earlier.

Except that Paul explicitly says, '...I passed on to you...' Paul, at the time he preached to them, passed on the gospel. He told them that Christ died for our sins. That would include those to whom he was addressing.

"I will go to the restaurant from work, you will come there from home, and there we will have dinner. Oh, let me here explicitly disclaim that we're not going to have dinner with additional people that I haven't mentioned." This feels like a natural way to speak to you?

No.

If such passages exist, they're not talking about the atonement, otherwise they affirm universalism, which they don't.

Assertion.

 

[janxharris]

I agreed with you.

So Hammster, you are prepared to stand in front of a crowd of non-believers and say, 'Christ died for our sins'?

 

[Hammster]

So Hammster, you are prepared to stand in front of a crowd of non-believers and say, 'Christ died for our sins'?

That's different than what you said. But I will say that He died for our (yours and mine) sins.

See how the use of "our" can be used in different ways?

 

[Skala]

So Hammster, you are prepared to stand in front of a crowd of non-believers and say, 'Christ died for our sins'?

Why would you do that , since there's no Biblical example or mandate to do so?

It seems your understanding of evangelism is driven by traditions, not by sola scriptura.

 

[guuila]

See how the use of "our" can be used in different ways?

Hey! I see what you did there... kind of like how "all" can be used to reference 100% of a specified group of people, or 100% of humanity. Depends on the qualifier determined by the context. Thanks for the grammar lesson... always helps with proper Bible interpretation.

 

[janxharris]

That's different than what you said. But I will say that He died for our (yours and mine) sins.

See how the use of "our" can be used in different ways?

So you are preaching to a crowd of non-believers and you say what exactly? You are not seriously saying that you are going to tell them that Christ died for my sins (i.e. yours)? You are talking to THEM Hammster. They are there to hear the 'good news...the gospel.

You're not prepared to say, 'Christ died for our sins', even though Paul said that this is what we are to preach?

This is what I said:

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

 

[janxharris]

Why would you do that , since there's no Biblical example or mandate to do so?

It seems your understanding of evangelism is driven by traditions, not by sola scriptura.

1 Corinthians 15:11

 

[guuila]

So you are preaching to a crowd of non-believers and you say what exactly? You are not seriously saying that you are going to tell them that Christ died for my sins (i.e. yours)? You are talking to THEM Hammster. They are there to hear the 'good news...the gospel.

How about repent and believe the gospel? Isn't that what the Apostles preached? Seems sufficient.

 

[Skala]

1 Corinthians 15:11

Where does he say that saying "Christ died for the sins of unbelievers" was part of his evangel?

 

[Hammster]

So you are preaching to a crowd of non-believers and you say what exactly? You are not seriously saying that you are going to tell them that Christ died for my sins (i.e. yours)? You are talking to THEM Hammster. They are there to hear the 'good news...the gospel.

You're not prepared to say, 'Christ died for our sins', even though Paul said that this is what we are to preach?

This is what I said:

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

I have no problem telling non-believers that Christ died for your sins and mine.

 

[janxharris]

Where does he say that saying "Christ died for the sins of unbelievers" was part of his evangel?

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

 

[Hammster]

How about repent and believe the gospel? Isn't that what the Apostles preached? Seems sufficient.

And Jesus. Mark 1:15.

 

[janxharris]

I have no problem telling non-believers that Christ died for your sins and mine.

I will wait until you engage with my post.

 

[Charis kai Dunamis]

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

Christ did die for their sins. If they repent and believe.

 

[Hammster]

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Hammster]

I will wait until you engage with my post.

You said I should tell them that Christ died for our sins. You and I make an "our".

I've engaged.

 

[Skala]

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

On the contrary, he says that he told them "Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures", by which he is referring to the Old Testament.

In the OT, the atoning sacrifices were made for God's people alone, (Limited Atonement) not for every single human being in the history of the human race.

So if Christ, the actual atonement, was in accordance with the OT, and this is what Paul preached...you do the math.

 

[janxharris]

Christ did die for their sins. If they repent and believe.

The gospel that Paul and his Christian contemporaries preached was the following (or words to that effect):
Christ died for our sins and was buried and rose again on the third day.

When you preach to a crowd of non-believers that 'Christ died for our sins', they don't infer that you are just talking about yourself.

 

[janxharris]

I don't have a problem with that.

Knowing what your theology is, and assuming you would not qualify Christ died for our sins, then you would be misleading them as a preacher.

 

[guuila]

When you preach to a crowd of non-believers that 'Christ died for our sins', they don't infer that you are just talking about yourself.

So we ignore grammar to support their non sequitur?