What did Paul preach to the Corinthians?

[Epiphoskei]

Even so, Paul acknowledges the fact that we should not assume that all those in a church are true believers.

A church is the body of the elect in a certain location. Corinthians was written from a believer to believers. Nonbelievers who happen to read it are invited to believe, but do not qualify for being the audience until they do.

On the contrary, you have to explain why Paul has not been careful to explicitly distinguished those to whom the benefits of Christs death apply

Why? There is an "I" - Paul - and a "you" - the Corinthians - in verse 3 itself. "I" and "you" make "we," and thus if "we" appears in the same verse, there's no contextual reason to make the pronoun inclusive of unnamed and unmentioned unregenerate. The nearest reference to an unbeliever is probably in verse 25, when Paul makes reference to Christ's enemies. Paul has taken many turns in his train of thought by this point, so this is too distant to inform us about the nature of the antecedents of a pronoun paragraphs earlier.

"I will go to the restaurant from work, you will come there from home, and there we will have dinner. Oh, let me here explicitly disclaim that we're not going to have dinner with additional people that I haven't mentioned." This feels like a natural way to speak to you?

Except that scripture explicitly says that Christ died for all.

If such passages exist, they're not talking about the atonement, otherwise they affirm universalism, which they don't.

You cannot describe God's provision as good news if it is not accessible to all men.

I'm not describing the gospel as being an inaccessible provision. I'm describing it as not being provisional.

 

[Skala]

Janx, Paul addressed his letter to:

"the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (these people were the church, the bride of Christ, sanctified in Christ, and called by God to be saints)

He also says of them "I thank God for the grace of God that was given you in Christ" and "He will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus" (These people were saved saints who would be preserved and sustained until the end)

And "You were called into the fellowship of His son" (They were in fellowship with Christ, they were believers)

And "Christ, our Lord" (Christ was the Lord of these people)

Further Paul calls them "brothers and sisters" again, reminding them that they are in God's family, with Paul.

It is evident that Paul is speaking his words to believers, saints, saved people.

This is all right at the introduction of 1st Corinthians. I don't know how it is possible you MISSED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, that is, unless of course, you have an agenda so you conveniently overlook these irrefutable facts.

 

[Hammster]

Janx, Paul addressed his letter to:

"the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (these people were the church, the bride of Christ, sanctified in Christ, and called by God to be saints)

He also says of them "I thank God for the grace of God that was given you in Christ" and "He will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus" (These people were saved saints who would be preserved and sustained until the end)

And "You were called into the fellowship of His son" (They were in fellowship with Christ, they were believers)

And "Christ, our Lord" (Christ was the Lord of these people)

Further Paul calls them "brothers and sisters" again, reminding them that they are in God's family, with Paul.

It is evident that Paul is speaking his words to believers, saints, saved people.

This is all right at the introduction of 1st Corinthians. I don't know how it is possible you MISSED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, that is, unless of course, you have an agenda so you conveniently overlook these irrefutable facts.

+1

 

[OzSpen]

This tends to happen a lot. If I give a straight forward answer on atonement, and it doesn't cover every aspect of soteriology, then all of the sudden I'm wavering. It's like Oz calling one of my responses a red herring when, in fact, it was his question that was a red herring.

Is piling allowed on CF? I understood it was not permitted.

Oz

 

[Hammster]

Is piling allowed on CF? I understood it was not permitted.

Oz

I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[OzSpen]

I don't know what you're talking about.

Don't you know about the technique of 'piling on' in debate and communication?

 

[Skala]

Don't you know about the technique of 'piling on' in debate and communication?

What is piling?

 

[Hammster]

Don't you know about the technique of 'piling on' in debate and communication?

Yes. But I don't know what you are talking about by applying that to my quote. Why don't you save us a lot of time and explain what you're getting at.

 

[Hammster]

What is piling?

You know, you say something about Oz, then I say something about Oz, then you say something about Oz. We just keep piling on.

But I don't know why he quoted me and then asked his question.

 

[janxharris]

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

 

[Skala]

You know, you say something about Oz, then I say something about Oz, then you say something about Oz. We just keep piling on.

But I don't know why he quoted me and then asked his question.

Oh.

Well, I don't like to talk about Oz, or to him for that matter, so there's no way I can be guilty of that.

 

[Hammster]

1 Corinthians 15:11
Whether, then, it is I or they (that is, the apostles), this is what we preach, and this what you believed.​

Paul identifies 'this' to be that which Christians should preach and also that which they (the Corinthians ) believed. What is this 'this' that Paul refers to?

Verses 3b-4:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,​

We are to tell non-believers that Christ died for our sins.

Well, yeah. I'm not telling non-believers that Christ didn't due for my sins.

 

[Hammster]

Oh.

Well, I don't like to talk about Oz, or to him for that matter, so there's no way I can be guilty of that.

 

[janxharris]

Janx, Paul addressed his letter to:

"the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints" (these people were the church, the bride of Christ, sanctified in Christ, and called by God to be saints)

He also says of them "I thank God for the grace of God that was given you in Christ" and "He will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus" (These people were saved saints who would be preserved and sustained until the end)

And "You were called into the fellowship of His son" (They were in fellowship with Christ, they were believers)

And "Christ, our Lord" (Christ was the Lord of these people)

Further Paul calls them "brothers and sisters" again, reminding them that they are in God's family, with Paul.

It is evident that Paul is speaking his words to believers, saints, saved people.

This is all right at the introduction of 1st Corinthians. I don't know how it is possible you MISSED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, that is, unless of course, you have an agenda so you conveniently overlook these irrefutable facts.

I didn't miss it.

 

[janxharris]

Well, yeah. I'm not telling non-believers that Christ didn't due for my sins.

What?

 

[guuila]

Is piling allowed on CF? I understood it was not permitted.

Oz

You have committed a red herring logical fallacy! Sorry, no prize for you.

 

[Skala]

I didn't miss it.

So you didn't miss it but you still decided to make an argument as if it wasn't there?

Gotcha.

 

[Hammster]

I didn't miss it.

Do you think that Paul changed who he thought he was writing to when he hit chapter 15?

 

[Hammster]

What?

I agreed with you.

 

[Skala]

Do you think that Paul changed who he thought he was writing to when he hit chapter 15?

Maybe Paul had short term memory loss from all the persecution he endured?

A few chapters later he forgot who his audience was?