The Lord's day.

[Elder 111]

Malachi 3:6 is true and so is Jeremiah 31:31-34 and a bunch of other passages you chose to twist or throw out and trample like trash.

It is the covenants that have changed as testified to by Jesus Christ (God the Son) which you don't accept.

How you get a change when Jesus said that He did not come to change? Fulfill can not mean change/take away/make of none effect!
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (How can fulfill mean to make void?)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Not even the little dot in the law shall pass how the n can a whole command or the whole of the ten commandments be removed?

Heaven and earth have already passed and no one told me? When Jesus died on the cross there was no more heaven or earth?
nullifying the ten commandments does not fit scripture.

I do twist, just "keeping it real".

 

[Elder 111]

Please note James say all the law.

The law will never be annihilated. It however no longer has jurisdiction. Furthermore Hebrews show the law has changed (been rescinded) with 7:12 or it makes Jesus a sinner and there is no salvation.

If I am speaking to you about cars and I mention the coupe and sedan, and then go on to say all cars, would think that I mean trucks too? Why is it that James mentions things of the ten commandments and you including things outside the ten.
If it does not have jurisdiction is it not annihilated? If the police are not doing their job is it not the same as not having a police? It is but it is not? That sounds like child's play. God don't play that! How can God charge me and find me guilty if I steal with a law that has no jurisdiction?
You may have a very sound and absolutely valid point if you mean that as long as I abide by faith in Christ without violation of His holy law that I am not and can not be condemned.
1 John
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
From Genesis to Revelation and even when Jesus was in person on this earth He walked in keeping the Sabbath. We abide in Him if we walk as He walked.

 

[Elder 111]

This destroys your claim you don't appeal to EGW. So when we say you're pushing her teachings don't deny it again whether or not you quote her. We've been saying this all along.

I don't understand your reasoning. Did I say I appealed EGW? This is total nonsense and petty. We are Cristian don't don't that, my very point was and is that if you are going to quote from writers outside the bible don't cry down other person for quoting writers outside the bible. If you are going to out right reject non biblical writings as uninspired don't present any to make a point.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

If the law of liberty is not the ten commandments, why is James quoting the ten commandments?
I did not miss the rest of the sentence. James is addressing the ten commandments and the "whole law" refers to the whole of the ten commandments and not no 600, that others want to slide in.
Luke 24:44 in no way negates that the law is forever. Jesus was not even talking about the Law in Luke 24.
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Please note James say all the law.

The law will never be annihilated. It however no longer has jurisdiction. Furthermore Hebrews show the law has changed (been rescinded) with 7:12 or it makes Jesus a sinner and there is no salvation.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7578720-59/#post58074068
The law is for dead people. lol...

Deuteronomy 28:48
Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which YHWH shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things:
and He shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[Acts 15:10/Reve 6:5]

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[MoreCoffee]

Why not EGW then.

She didn't speak Koine Greek; that's why we do not consult her for a definition of the Greek word Kuriake hermera (κυριακῇ ἡμέρ&#8115.

 

[from scratch]

How you get a change when Jesus said that He did not come to change? Fulfill can not mean change/take away/make of none effect!
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (How can fulfill mean to make void?)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Not even the little dot in the law shall pass how the n can a whole command or the whole of the ten commandments be removed?

Heaven and earth have already passed and no one told me? When Jesus died on the cross there was no more heaven or earth?
nullifying the ten commandments does not fit scripture.

I do twist, just "keeping it real".

What is your problem? Didn't read my post? Don't you read the Bible? Don't understand the bolded blue? LK 24:44 is part of my Bible. Heb 7:12 is also part of my Bible.

 

[from scratch]

If I am speaking to you about cars and I mention the coupe and sedan, and then go on to say all cars, would think that I mean trucks too? Why is it that James mentions things of the ten commandments and you including things outside the ten.
If it does not have jurisdiction is it not annihilated? If the police are not doing their job is it not the same as not having a police? It is but it is not? That sounds like child's play. God don't play that! How can God charge me and find me guilty if I steal with a law that has no jurisdiction?
You may have a very sound and absolutely valid point if you mean that as long as I abide by faith in Christ without violation of His holy law that I am not and can not be condemned.
1 John
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
From Genesis to Revelation and even when Jesus was in person on this earth He walked in keeping the Sabbath. We abide in Him if we walk as He walked.

You emotions are getting in the way of reading and understanding. Could have something to do with your glasses too.

First off you've been told before that Jesus didn't issue the Ten Commandments. You pay no attention to passages quoted even from the Gospels showing this fact. Personally I see nothing short of your refusal to believe the truth.

Who is the law (the Ten Commandments) for? Yes they're valid for a group of people even today. Who are they?

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Now what do you say about yourself when you say you're obligated to the law? In light of the preceding quote your saying your not righteous and therefore not a Christian.

 

[from scratch]

She didn't speak Koine Greek; that's why we do not consult her for a definition of the Greek word Kuriake hermera (κυριακῇ ἡμέρ&#8115.

That's plenty good reason.

 

[from scratch]

If the law of liberty is not the ten commandments, why is James quoting the ten commandments?
I did not miss the rest of the sentence. James is addressing the ten commandments and the "whole law" refers to the whole of the ten commandments and not no 600, that others want to slide in.
Luke 24:44 in no way negates that the law is forever. Jesus was not even talking about the Law in Luke 24.

Obviously you didn't read the verse or you Bible is different from mine cause my Bible says law of Moses. What does your say in that verse?

 

[from scratch]

I don't understand your reasoning. Did I say I appealed EGW? This is total nonsense and petty. We are Cristian don't don't that, my very point was and is that if you are going to quote from writers outside the bible don't cry down other person for quoting writers outside the bible. If you are going to out right reject non biblical writings as uninspired don't present any to make a point.

Why would you even mention her then? You've been here a while and should understand why she isn't directly referred to and denied here in GT even while quoted and paraphrased.

 

[from scratch]

That is my point. There is no mention of a change in the tenets of the law Just a move of place. No where from Genesis to Revelation is there even an indication that the law was change or the Sabbath removed.

Is Jesus a sinner?

 

[Elder 111]

What is your problem? Didn't read my post? Don't you read the Bible? Don't understand the bolded blue? LK 24:44 is part of my Bible. Heb 7:12 is also part of my Bible.

Heb. 7:12 has nothing to do with the ten commandments. That would be completely absurd. It speaks of the law of the priesthood. All priest were to be from the tribe of Levi but Jesus was from the tribe of Judah.
Who interjecting one's ideas and opinion on scripture now?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

How you get a change when Jesus said that He did not come to change? Fulfill can not mean change/take away/make of none effect!
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (How can fulfill mean to make void?)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Not even the little dot in the law shall pass how the n can a whole command or the whole of the ten commandments be removed?

Heaven and earth have already passed and no one told me? When Jesus died on the cross there was no more heaven or earth?
nullifying the ten commandments does not fit scripture.

I do twist, just "keeping it real".
​

What is your problem? Didn't read my post? Don't you read the Bible? Don't understand the bolded blue?

LK 24:44 is part of my Bible. Heb 7:12 is also part of my Bible.

Maybe his Bible is in pig latin

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[jsimms615]

That is my point. There is no mention of a change in the tenets of the law Just a move of place. No where from Genesis to Revelation is there even an indication that the law was change or the Sabbath removed.

What about this verse Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

I'm curious about what you think that means?

 

[Elder 111]

You emotions are getting in the way of reading and understanding. Could have something to do with your glasses too.

First off you've been told before that Jesus didn't issue the Ten Commandments. You pay no attention to passages quoted even from the Gospels showing this fact. Personally I see nothing short of your refusal to believe the truth.

Ofcourse I have to Ignore the claim that Jesus did not give the ten commandments. Who was it then. God the Father? Jesus make it clear that He and His father are one. What was Jesus' reply when He wasked to show the father? John 14
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Further more it was the I AM that was with Moses. Who was that? John 8:
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
I am hurting.

Who is the law (the Ten Commandments) for? Yes they're valid for a group of people even today. Who are they?

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Now what do you say about yourself when you say you're obligated to the law? In light of the preceding quote your saying your not righteous and therefore not a Christian.

You have make the point yourself. The above mentioned are all transgressions of the law and if you commit any of them you will be lost too. The Christian can not do these things. why? The law is not for the Christian because he does not break the law, but the minuite he does he is condemn like all the rest who are not in Christ and the same is true of the Sabbath which is at the center of the ten. Tell me now. if a christian that do what you have quoted above going to receive salvation? If not why not? Please think. We make the world laugh at us and heaven mourn.

 

[Elder 111]

What about this verse Colossians 2:16-17 "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

I'm curious about what you think that means?

A sabbath day not the Sabbath day. I hope you know the difference.

 

[SAAN]

Jesus said he is Lord of the Sabbath, so more than likely the Lords Day is Saturday John was referring to.

Sunday as the Lords day is more than likely yet another doctrine the RCC made up and just passed down.

 

[jsimms615]

A sabbath day not the Sabbath day. I hope you know the difference.

Seems like splitting hairs to me, but what about Romans 14:5
"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God, and he who eats not for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

the point that Paul makes is that what the person does he does for the Lord. Because as he goes on to say in Romans 14:8 "whether we live or die, we are the Lord's."

 

[SAAN]

Seems like splitting hairs to me, but what about Romans 14:5
"One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God, and he who eats not for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

the point that Paul makes is that what the person does he does for the Lord. Because as he goes on to say in Romans 14:8 "whether we live or die, we are the Lord's."

This chapter is not about picking what ever day you want for worship, as the Sabbath was not even in debate here. It is about fasting and about the issue of what days to fast on and the issue regarding eating meats sacrificed to idols, the same topic about meats that is being talked about in other books of the NT.

Dont judge another servant on if they choose to eat meat or not or when they decide to fast in regards to the feast days, that is what the chapter is about when read in its context.

 

[jsimms615]

This chapter is not about picking what ever day you want for worship, as the Sabbath was not even in debate here. It is about fasting and about the issue of what days to fast on and the issue regarding eating meats sacrificed to idols, the same topic about meats that is being talked about in other books of the NT.

Dont judge another servant on if they choose to eat meat or not or when they decide to fast in regards to the feast days, that is what the chapter is about when read in its context.

I'm not going to debate it with you. Actually, I agree that the idea includes fasting and whether or not to eat meat. It does mean that. But, Paul also mentioned the idea of treating one day different from another.