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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Will someone let me know when the War on Christmas starts this year.
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That's basic inclusivity, which is standard practice in customer service. It's the same as how you wouldn't ask a customer's daughter if she has a boyfriend or ask a woman with a baby how her husband is doing. The employee's job is to make the customer want to come back. Making assumptions that you know are going to be wrong a certain percentage of the time is counterproductive.
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Ramadan is more like Lent - prayer and fasting - and it takes place next year in late June and the better part of July. But I guess if that's the only Muslim holiday you can think of, you'll have to make do.
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If saying Merry Christmas to a customer is enough to make them not want to shop my store, then I don't want that type of customer anyway. It is absolutely stupid and inane to be offended by a worker wishing you a Merry Christmas.
The reasoning behind the Happy Holidays is the fear of people being offended, and the fear itself is silly, because the same logic could be said about people getting offended at being told Happy Holidays versus Merry Christmas.
Thank goodness the Jewish people I know don't get offended over such things. I'd wish people a Happy Hannukkah if I knew they were Jewish, but I'd still wish an atheist a Merry Christmas because "Merry Christmas" doesn't denote any specific religion, despite what you'd have us believe.
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There is an index of Christian-friendly chains that are graded on how often they say "Christmas" in their ads. In other words, Christians refuse to shop at stores based on whether they are "Christian" enough by cow-towing to these Christians' demands.
My Rabbi's daughter was not allowed to work cash at Target because she wouldn't say Merry Christmas (she is Jewish afterall), and a reasonable Christian complained, and asked for her to be fired. Instead she took a pay-cut, and had to work more hoursstocking shelves for being Jewish in a Christians-come-first society.
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Cool. When you're the CEO, that'll be your decision to make. Otherwise, your view of the matter is irrelevant. Most CEOs are interested in bringing back every customer.
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Thanks for posting. I'll certainly visit the stores that say Merry
Christmas.
Target was wrong in firing her. It's like forcing a company to cover
birth control when it's against their beliefs. I wouldn't blame the
so-called reasonable Christian who complained. The store was at fault.
They should encourage their employes to say Merry Christmas, after
all it's what the season is about, and not force them to do so. That
in itself isn't Christian.
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They should encourage a practicing Jew to say "Merry Christmas?" And if she doesn't, she should be moved to stocking shelves (for less money, and late hours)? Maybe she was encouraged, but opted not to (As her father, the Rabbi, explained: She feels Jews shouldn't praise a false Messiah, it violates the first commandment).
And no, they weren't wrong. If Target knows that you won't come to their store because they employ non-Christians who won't say Merry Christmas, or are more likely to go to stores that do (like you just claimed) she is bad for business and should not work in a position where she interacts with customers who will be offended by her not being Christian. That's business ethics.
As you have stated that you are specifically going to shop at stores where this Jew doesn't work, then we should not only blame that woman, we should blame you.
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But maybe that's what they did. She still wouldn't. Then what? Potential shoppers, like you, are walking away. Business ethics say that if potential customers want their employees to say Merry Christmas, and this employee won't, then she should not be an employee, or at least not one who interacts with customers.
Why? Did you not say that you would be certain to shop at the stores that say Merry Christmas? Again, would you shop at stores that do not? If firing Jewish employees who won't say Merry Christmas makes it certain that you will shop at their store, then the Jewish employee should be fired. That's all there is to it.
This is the point, this action was driven by Christian shoppers. Target is on the list of "safe to shop" stores. It's not the store's fault at all, in terms of business ethics, they are doing what they have to do to get your business.
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Did you read my post? If not please understand that I said Target
was wrong.
I never once said nor even alluded that I walk away from a store that
doesn't say Merry Christmas. Please, don't put words in my mouth.
It isn't polite.
You're very off base on this. You're making assumptions from
something I never said.
It appears you're parroting the talking points of the anti-Christian
hate sites.
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Isn't that all the "War On Christmas" is -- a collection of anecdotes?
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