The Lord's day.

[Elder 111]

Yes. Read Hosea. Especially Hosea 1:9 Now look at Acts 28:

Acts 28:25-31
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they... departed,... after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

The first occurrence of the word departed is "apoluo" used in divorce and putting away a wife. Significant to say the least. It was at this juncture Paul was given a brand new revelation concerning the relationship of the Gentile and Jew. The olive tree was hewn at the roots and no longer stands. There WILL be a future restoration as seen in Hosea. We are in the...REAL..church age today. Israel is just the same as being in captivity today. God never gave up on them and He will not start now:

Rom 11:28-30
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

He will take them back as a restored wife and be looked upon as a chaste virgin. He will remember their sins no more.

It is not for us to take them back. It is for us not to make the same mistakes they made. Paul made it clear that we a grafted in and can be removed as they were. Romans 11.
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Which also nullifies your earlier idea that things were given to the Jews and therefore not for us. They are the root we are grafted in, therefore all that is of them are now for us.

 

[from scratch]

It is not for us to take them back. It is for us not to make the same mistakes they made. Paul made it clear that we a grafted in and can be removed as they were. Romans 11.
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Which also nullifies your earlier idea that things were given to the Jews and therefore not for us. They are the root we are grafted in, therefore all that is of them are now for us.

And what are Christians graft into?

 

[from scratch]

What is there in the bible that was not given to the Israelites or came through the Israelites? If that idea is to be carried through then we must reject Jesus, He was a Jew, came to the Jews and Died a Jew. The disciples were Jews. Salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22.
You have Israel in Brackets next to priest. Why? We are also priest, 1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Was Rahab a Jew? Was Ruth a Jew?

Are you introducing new unrelated material or are you just plain confused?

 

[Elder 111]

Are you introducing new unrelated material or are you just plain confused?

I am sure you noticed that I was just responding to a post.

 

[By Faith Alone]

It is not for us to take them back. It is for us not to make the same mistakes they made. Paul made it clear that we a grafted in and can be removed as they were. Romans 11.
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Which also nullifies your earlier idea that things were given to the Jews and therefore not for us. They are the root we are grafted in, therefore all that is of them are now for us.

Not the same body as seen here:

Eph 2:11-17
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But... now... in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who.. hath made both one,... and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Written in AD 63. Notice the verb tenses. We are not the gentiles of the olive tree. The olive tree does not stand today. We do not go to Israel for our blessings.

Col 3:1 where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 on things above, not on things on the earth.
Your LIFE...Is HID...With CHRIST...IN GOD...Our LIFE...Shall APPEAR...With HIM...IN GLORY.

The exhortation to the Hebrew:
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,

Our calling:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes... were... far off are.... made... nigh by the blood of Christ.

Read Acts 28. See just what happened there.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Oooops....off topic. Sorry :o

 

[Elder 111]

Not the same body as seen here:

Eph 2:11-17
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But... now... in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who.. hath made both one,... and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Written in AD 63. Notice the verb tenses. We are not the gentiles of the olive tree. The olive tree does not stand today. We do not go to Israel for our blessings.

Col 3:1 where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Col 3:2 on things above, not on things on the earth.
Your LIFE...Is HID...With CHRIST...IN GOD...Our LIFE...Shall APPEAR...With HIM...IN GLORY.

The exhortation to the Hebrew:
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith,

Our calling:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes... were... far off are.... made... nigh by the blood of Christ.

Read Acts 28. See just what happened there.

What is your point? Romans was written by the same Paul in 56-57 AD. Obviously what Paul said in Romans is not contradicted in Ephesians. Our salvation was never dependent on the Jews, they were Just the messengers as the pastor or the priest.
Salvation for the Jews and Gentiles are all through Jesus. God's requirements are the same for Jews and Gentiles. The ten commandments are for Jews and Gentiles, and I noticed that the Sabbath is in the ten.

 

[Elder 111]

Oooops....off topic. Sorry :o

To put you back on topic. Jesus still requires us to keep the Sabbath and Hebrews 4:8 supports that fact. Jesus and not Joshua for Joshua never created a day.

 

[By Faith Alone]

To put you back on topic. Jesus still requires us to keep the Sabbath and Hebrews 4:8 supports that fact. Jesus and not Joshua for Joshua never created a day.

Many lessons in Hebrews. The greater lesson is in looking on the title. Hebrews. We are not..Hebrews...are you?

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Sweep that under the rug? Be my guest. If the sabbath is for you then build a small tabernacle in your back yard. Stone (not by smoking dope either) all the homosexuals. Any more examples? Yes. Many. Don't take the straw and leave the sticks.

 

[VictorC]

To put you back on topic. Jesus still requires us to keep the Sabbath and Hebrews 4:8 supports that fact. Jesus and not Joshua for Joshua never created a day.

This was the topic of another thread (why not Jesus?), where this claim you make hasn't changed even though it was refuted.

 

[Florierte Gottes]

I have been studying Revelation chapter1 and of course came across verse 10.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Here John does not explain what he means by the Lord's day but a look at the Greek shows: Kyriakos (kü-rē-ä-ko's) meaning belonging to the Lord /related to the Lord.
Most of us christians accept without question that this refers to Sunday. I was listening to Kay Arthur of Precept Ministries sometime ago and she said that it meant Sunday and that she would give the evidence for it, but I never heard her evidence.
It there any biblical support for assuming that the Lord's day is Sunday? I have seen none, not one!
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You are in agreement with the Scripture Elder 111, in that the Bible gives no evidence, in any location, text or precept, that Sunday is the day referred to as "the Lord's day".

There is no one that can give evidence that Sunday is "the Lord's Day" of Revelation 1:10, for it is simply non existant.

The context itself is in the historical, and Scriptural. The Lord's Day was, is and shall be The Seventh Day The Sabbath Of The Lord Thy God, as found throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.

 

[By Faith Alone]

What is your point? Romans was written by the same Paul in 56-57 AD. Obviously what Paul said in Romans is not contradicted in Ephesians. Our salvation was never dependent on the Jews, they were Just the messengers as the pastor or the priest.
Salvation for the Jews and Gentiles are all through Jesus. God's requirements are the same for Jews and Gentiles. The ten commandments are for Jews and Gentiles, and I noticed that the Sabbath is in the ten.

There is no difference being...IN CHRIST. BUT...Romans 11 shows there IS a difference according to the flesh. There was no uncircumcision until the first circumcision happened. There is a difference in the circumcision of the heart and the flesh (made by hands).

The Gentiles had a dispensational disability in the Acts period. That distinction was wiped out after Acts 28. Read Acts 28:20. Paul's ministry changed. Ephesians and Colossians are to the Heaven far above all and it is THERE the circumision of the flesh has no predominance. The promises made to the fathers was for an earthly Kingdom and the super-added blessing of the Heavenly Jerusalem descending down..FROM..Heaven.

The meek shall inherit the Earth (land of Canaan). The church of the firstborn to that heavenly city. The church which is..HIS...body go to a position associated with His fulness.

Deut 4:38 To drive out nations from before thee greater and mightier than thou art, to bring thee in, to give thee their land for an inheritance, as it is this day.

Ps 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

Ps 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.

Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Ephesians 2:1
Gentiles in the flesh
.....Without Christ....Aliens from commonwealth of Israel.....Strangers from covenants of promise.... Having no hope....Godless in the world.

According to the flesh .....Brethren......Israelites.....Sonship....Glory.....Covenants....Law....Service... Promises..... Fathers.....According to the flesh.--The Messiah

 

[By Faith Alone]

And what are Christians graft into?

They are graft into nothing as Christians but were inferior to Israel according to the flesh. When there are those that are "broken off" only means they will not be allowed into the land when the future Kingdom becomes a reality.

Jesus gave the Gentiles a glimmer of hope by including them into the nation as proselytes. To us? In OUR calling? He is not our King. He is to be the King of Israel. He is the Saviour of our body.

 

[By Faith Alone]

You are in agreement with the Scripture Elder 111, in that the Bible gives no evidence, in any location, text or precept, that Sunday is the day referred to as "the Lord's day".

There is no one that can give evidence that Sunday is "the Lord's Day" of Revelation 1:10, for it is simply non existant.

The context itself is in the historical, and Scriptural. The Lord's Day was, is and shall be The Seventh Day The Sabbath Of The Lord Thy God, as found throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.

Very first post and no Scriptural evidence to support your claim. I hope it will not continue this way?

 

[Elder 111]

Many lessons in Hebrews. The greater lesson is in looking on the title. Hebrews. We are not..Hebrews...are you?

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Sweep that under the rug? Be my guest. If the sabbath is for you then build a small tabernacle in your back yard. Stone (not by smoking dope either) all the homosexuals. Any more examples? Yes. Many. Don't take the straw and leave the sticks.

Tell me, did you ever notice that the Sabbath was not coupled with stoning, passover, atonement, or dietary laws or any of the other civil laws. The Sabbath was written by God's own hand with the other commands such as take not the Lord's name in vain, thou shall have no other gods, and not to worship idols. It was at the top of the list with those mentioned.
Explain why that should be out and not the others. Did God a mistake in where He placed it? Do we now have to correct the mistake God made?

 

[Elder 111]

This was the topic of another thread (why not Jesus?), where this claim you make hasn't changed even though it was refuted.

You are correct I did not realize which one i was on. Thanks. I have to get back on track myself.

 

[Elder 111]

You are in agreement with the Scripture Elder 111, in that the Bible gives no evidence, in any location, text or precept, that Sunday is the day referred to as "the Lord's day".

There is no one that can give evidence that Sunday is "the Lord's Day" of Revelation 1:10, for it is simply non existant.

The context itself is in the historical, and Scriptural. The Lord's Day was, is and shall be The Seventh Day The Sabbath Of The Lord Thy God, as found throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.

Thank you.

 

[VictorC]

You are correct I did not realize which one i was on. Thanks. I have to get back on track myself.

In both this thread and the 'why not Jesus?' thread you have revealed an obsession with the sabbath, even though both threads were set up as polls and neither one of them is relevant to the sabbath. Repeating an error is just another illustration of this obsession.

 

[Elder 111]

There is no difference being...IN CHRIST. BUT...Romans 11 shows there IS a difference according to the flesh. There was no uncircumcision until the first circumcision happened. There is a difference in the circumcision of the heart and the flesh (made by hands).

The Gentiles had a dispensational disability in the Acts period. That distinction was wiped out after Acts 28. Read Acts 28:20. Paul's ministry changed. Ephesians and Colossians are to the Heaven far above all and it is THERE the circumision of the flesh has no predominance. The promises made to the fathers was for an earthly Kingdom and the super-added blessing of the Heavenly Jerusalem descending down..FROM..Heaven.

God's people weere never to inherit an earthly home. Job19:
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.

The meek shall inherit the Earth (land of Canaan). The church of the firstborn to that heavenly city. The church which is..HIS...body go to a position associated with His fulness.

Deut 4:38 To drive out nations from before thee greater and mightier than thou art, to bring thee in, to give thee their land for an inheritance, as it is this day.

Ps 147:19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

Ps 147:20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.

Amos 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Ephesians 2:1
Gentiles in the flesh
.....Without Christ....Aliens from commonwealth of Israel.....Strangers from covenants of promise.... Having no hope....Godless in the world.

According to the flesh .....Brethren......Israelites.....Sonship....Glory.....Covenants....Law....Service... Promises..... Fathers.....According to the flesh.--The Messiah

Instead of Just quoting texts, please state your point.

 

[Florierte Gottes]

Very first post and no Scriptural evidence to support your claim. I hope it will not continue this way?

The evidential support was in the "context", of Rev 1:10, referred to in the response. It was thought that anyone would be able to reference that material themselves, on their own time.

Did you desire to look at that "context"?