What is wrong with America

[AmericanChristian91]

Evolution is in the bible bluelion. In the same place where the germ theory, the cell theory, the atomic theory, theory of relativity, molecular theory, etc, are located.

This may come to a shock to you bluelion, but the bible is NOT meant to be a science book. There is plenty of stuff about science/world that is true, and is not mentioned at all in the bible. But just because something is not mentioned in the bible does not make said thing not true.

 

[Bluelion]

Evolution is in the bible bluelion. In the same place where the germ theory, the cell theory, the atomic theory, theory of relativity, molecular theory, etc, are located.

This may come to a shock to you bluelion, but the bible is NOT meant to be a science book. There is plenty of stuff about science/world that is true, and is not mentioned at all in the bible. But just because something is not mentioned in the bible does not make said thing not true.

The Bible directly contradicts it so how do you defend that?

gen 1 NLT

26 Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.”

27 So God created human beings[c] in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Gen 2

7 Then the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person.

8 Then the Lord God planted a garden in Eden in the east, and there he placed the man he had made.

It clearly shows where man came from dust. God said for the man came from dust and to dust he will return many times in the Bible.

So how is it you Call God a Lier? Lets not sugar coat it because that is what you are doing.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

I don't think the genesis creation story is meant to be interpreted as a completely historical/literal account of what happened.

And im not calling God a liar by saying that, though i understand why you think i am.

 

[Bluelion]

I don't think the genesis creation story is meant to be interpreted as a completely historical/literal account of what happened.

And im not calling God a liar by saying that, though i understand why you think i am.

See that is where you are wrong the Bible has proven to be very historical in describing the people Kings and Queens and such people thousands of years ago.
I hear what you are saying though.
You don't believe the bible is the word of God, so you don't Know God ok gotcha

 

[now faith]

I don't think the genesis creation story is meant to be interpreted as a completely historical/literal account of what happened.

And im not calling God a liar by saying that, though i understand why you think i am.

Consider this,if we cannot understand circumstances given in the word,that has no relevance to the truth of Gods word.
So the error is in our comprehension not the Word.

If we based all understanding on the individual,then we may only learn as far as the individual can discern.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

the Bible has proven to be very historical in describing the people Kings and Queens and such people thousands of years ago.

Your right about that, the bible is full of history, however that does not mean all the stories in the bible are intended to be completely historically accurate.

 

[Bluelion]

Your right about that, the bible is full of history, however that does not mean all the stories in the bible are intended to be completely historically accurate.

Like i said you don't believe the bible is the word of God I heard you, but what I don't think you realize Jesus is the word of God, and if you don't believe in Gods word you can not believe in Jesus. This is not the match Game. You pick and chose what is or is not true in the Bible. 2 Peter says the all Scripture was written by God through men. The Bible literally says it is the word of God. So if you don't believe in God word you can not believe anything written in it. Unless you claim with you great wisdom to know more on earth through books then what God has written down and told us. I don't think you realize those books you put so much faith in were most certainly written by men. Yet you chose to put faith in them Over Gods Word. when God says it is his word.

Tell me what will you say before God. i didn't know the bible was your word. he will said but i told you it was. I sent my servants to tell you, and they did you chose not to believe.

It takes more than believing Jesus is the son of God that he died on the cross and was resurrected and that he is a live, and that his dead paid the price for are sins. even demons believe as much yet can never be saved.It takes a complete surrender to God, It takes an act of volition, which comes for realizing ones sinful sate and complete emptiness. It takes surrender.

Tel me does that describe you?

 

[AmericanChristian91]

The bible is the word of God, i agree, and it is full of truth (including Genesis), though sometimes said truth is not always portrayed in historical accurate stories.

You seem to think that something in the bible could not be a story that isn't completely literal/historical, because it wouldn't be apart of the word of God, and can not be truth, in your opinion, but your wrong about that.

God speaks his truth in more then just historically accurate accounts, but allegorical/metaphorical stories as well.

There is nothing wrong with seeing Genesis as a story designed to speak about theological based truth, and not intended to be historically/scientifically accurate. Of course that doesn't mean nothing in Genesis is historical, for there can be historical based truth (God made the universe, created Man in his own image, Man betrayed him, etc) in an allegorical story, even though not everything in the story historically happened exactly the way it was written,

 

[Bluelion]

The bible is the word of God, i agree, and it is full of truth (including Genesis), though sometimes said truth is not always portrayed in historical accurate stories.

You seem to think that something in the bible could not be a story that isn't completely literal/historical, because it wouldn't be apart of the word of God, and can not be truth, in your opinion, but your wrong about that.

God speaks his truth in more then just historically accurate accounts, but allegorical/metaphorical stories as well.

There is nothing wrong with seeing Genesis as a story designed to speak about theological based truth, and not intended to be historically/scientifically accurate. Of course that doesn't mean nothing in Genesis is historical, for there can be historical based truth (God made the universe, created Man in his own image, Man betrayed him, etc) in an allegorical story, even though not everything in the story historically happened exactly the way it was written,

and what metaphor do you think God was saying there?

See this is why Jesus said God you have taken your words and hid them from those who think the self wise and revealed them to children.

I think you need to have a hard look if you even have Jesus. Because you don't understand what is milk for babies, how can you understand meat which i speak of which is for the mature?

 

[TravisK]

I wonder if Bluelion believes in dinosaurs. Those aren't in the bible either.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

I wonder if Bluelion believes in dinosaurs. Those aren't in the bible either.

Well some Christians do think they are mentioned in the bible (Bluelion probably being one), though other Christians would disagree that Man and Dinosaurs lived together

 

[SeventhValley]

As a young earther I would love to see an old earth creationist supply passages in the Scriptures to support what he claims to be the truth. So far, no takers. A few have tried to you parts of verses out of context, but simply posting the entire verse proves that they were intentionally twisting what is written. All true doctrine is supportable by the Scriptures. Where is the support for an old earth?

I already gave you scriptural support, you rejected it I am not going to toss pearls before swine.

 

[SeventhValley]

Bluelion I have no problem with YEC's I love them as they keep the test of us from getting to far off course.
We don't need to be angry with each other just because we disagree.

 

[TravisK]

Bluelion I have no problem with YEC's I love them as they keep the test of us from getting to far off course.
We don't need to be angry with each other just because we disagree.

Hear, hear.

 

[KWCrazy]

I already gave you scriptural support, you rejected it I am not going to toss pearls before swine.

No, I'm sorry, but you did not.

You said that the sun wasn't created until day four so the days couldn't be normal days. However, you ignored the fact that light was created on the first day. Whether that light was called "Light," the Sun, or Harold makes no difference. The fact is there was a source of light shining on the rotating planet which caused the evening and the morning; one day. It doesn't matter what the position of the light was. Evening and morning is caused by the rotation of the earth, not its orbit around the sun or any other light source.

The entire first chapter of Genesis deals with a creation in six days, using terminology that absolutely denies any other interpretation. Genesis 2, which some falsely claim gives a different account than Genesis 1, talks about things that happened after the creation even though it references things which had happened DURING the creation. Genesis 2 begins:

"Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done."

This is called a passage because it contains more than one verse or a few words taken out of context. If what you believe cannot be supported by passages in Scripture which give context to the words you use in your argument, then your belief is NOT Scriptural.

I was raised as an OEC. However there were always things that didn't seem to add up, like the Fourth Commandment claiming that God created the world in six days and others claiming that the earth is very old. When I read and studied the Bible for myself, I had to become a YEC because I couldn't find anything in the Bible, read in its proper context, which supported any other conclusion. Even most atheists I know admit that Jesus was a YEC... he, being God, was there (That's the part they deny).

You can dismissively ignore the clear evidence in the Scripture and insult those who present it (Pearls before swine) but that doesn't make you right and it doesn't give veracity to your posts. I will never believe anything that anyone says if it conflicts with the word of God, which I know to be the ultimate truth. Validate your position in the Scriptures and I'll give consideration to your point of view. Ultimately, we serve the same God. I just don't believe it does His word justice when we as Christians teach something contrary to what is written. Jesus taught saying "It is written..." He didn't cherry pick verses out of context. Our enemies do that.

 

[Bluelion]

I wonder if Bluelion believes in dinosaurs. Those aren't in the bible either.

Do you ever speak the truth, they are in there read it.

 

[Bluelion]

Bluelion I have no problem with YEC's I love them as they keep the test of us from getting to far off course.
We don't need to be angry with each other just because we disagree.

I am not angry sorry if it came across that way, I am more frustrated, but The Holy spirit opens peoples eyes no me doesn't matter what i said.

 

[Kyle Arn]

Ok Ok

 

[now faith]

I wonder if Bluelion believes in dinosaurs. Those aren't in the bible either.

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

Job mentions dragons himself,the above verses were God speaking to Job,many think the first reference is a mastadon but the tail and drinking up rivers would be reasonable to assume God was describing a Brontosaurus or Dinosaur.

 

[Bluelion]

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. 40:16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly. 40:17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. 40:18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron. 40:19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him. 40:20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play. 40:21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens. 40:23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth. 40:24 He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. 41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

Job mentions dragons himself,the above verses were God speaking to Job,many think the first reference is a mastadon but the tail and drinking up rivers would be reasonable to assume God was describing a Brontosaurus or Dinosaur.

The book of Job also being the oldest book in the Bible, and not millions of years ago but thousands.