What is wrong with America

[SeventhValley]

One interesting thought is what if God created the world forward and backwards in time.

Then theoretically it could be younger than it's current age.

 

[Bluelion]

Implying Christians who accept modern science are not "real" Christians.


Dude, just stop, talk like that goes against forum rules i believe.

Nothing wrong with saying, "your wrong" to Christians who accept evolution, HOWEVER, you should NOT, say,

"your wrong, and btw not real Christians if you think evolution is truth"

How do you call God wrong and yet say you follow him, at the minimal it is disobedience to God. Time and time an again God tells us to put trust in Him. If you believe evolution which goes against God and what he tells us well then you don't trust God do you.

I see nothing wrong with his comment. Christians are those who believe in Jesus Christ, The word of God,(the Bible) and do their best to follow God. You don't get make your own religion and say oh, but i am part of Christianity. It is polluting the church and the body of Christ if such a person is even in the body in the first place.

As far as it being against forum rules it is against forum rules to go into a Christian section and preach non Christian beliefs there was just a thread lock in this forum for that. More specific this is the baptist section you are to write in accordance with those beliefs.

So you are wrong.

 

[Bluelion]

The DNA code written by God says the earth is older than 3000 years which is a book of scripture.

Also Genesis 1:16-19 HCSB

God made the two great lights — the greater light to have dominion over the day and the lesser light to have dominion over the night — as well as the stars. God placed them in the expanse of the sky to provide light on the earth, to dominate the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. Evening came and then morning: the fourth day.


The Sun was not made till the fourth day therefore day is not 24 hours.

That is two types of scripture right there plus time is not constant throughout the Universe via relativity therefore one 24 hour period one place could be much longer other places.

Just how I see it.

So your all science tell me how you explain the light was created before the sun and moon. In fact vegetation was created before the sun, yet science says the sun is older than the earth. The bible clearly says the earth and even planets are older than the sun.

Btw the earth is not millions of years old. I can't pin point the date, but i would say about 10,000 years maybe a little more. Man was place on the earth after it was finished, we don't know how much time passed in the garden. but we do know Adam lives to be 900 years old about. through the Bible you can almost trace the age of the earth.

Another thing the bible never speaks of an ice age, but of a flood. Also, science says dinosaurs did not live with man however in job we find this is not true.

The list goes on a long story short you can not be a man of science and a man of God too.

 

[Bluelion]

Cont....

From wikipedia

" The Old-Earth figurative view can be traced
back at least to Saint Augustine in the 5th
Century who pointed out, in De Genesi ad
Litteram ( On the Literal [Interpretation of]
Genesis) that the "days" in Genesis could
not be literal days, if only because Genesis
itself tells us that the sun was not made
until the fourth "day"."

So even in 400 A.D. before we read the genetic code God wrote thus idea was accepted.

The old earth is not a conservative Baptist view. I don't know it is a view held by any baptist sects. This is the baptist section.

 

[Bluelion]

One interesting thought is what if God created the world forward and backwards in time.

Then theoretically it could be younger than it's current age.

The earth was created with the appearance of age. When the land form it looks as if it had been there many thousands of years. Just like man was created as a full blooded man, who could speak and walk only being seconds old. That is the baptist view.

 

[KWCrazy]

The Sun was not made till the fourth day therefore day is not 24 hours.

Common mistake.
Light was created day one.
And the evening and the morning were the first day. The earth was in rotation. There was a source of light. it was NOT the sun.

 

[KWCrazy]

One interesting thought is what if God created the world forward and backwards in time.

Then theoretically it could be younger than it's current age.

I've thought about that.
Supposed God envisioned in his mind a perfectly mature world and then created that world exactly as it would be in its perfect state?

So the world was old in the instant of it's creation.

 

[SeventhValley]

Either way I have a scriptural view that you disagree with, that is fine.

The big thing is for Christians to act like Christians knowing that we are all sinners in need of repentance so we should not judge others harshly. We are all brothers and sisters here, what the rest of America dose is up to them.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

is the baptist view.

You know not all baptists are YECers.

 

[classicalhero]

Either way I have a scriptural view that you disagree with, that is fine.

The big thing is for Christians to act like Christians knowing that we are all sinners in need of repentance so we should not judge others harshly. We are all brothers and sisters here, what the rest of America dose is up to them.

Clearly you are wrong. The Bible clearly states that light was created first and that is all you need for a day to happen. in Revelation their is no sun either, so you don't need the sun to be your sole source of light, but we need the Son to be our guiding light. The Bible says that man was from the beginning of Creation, evolution says man came right at the end.

 

[standingtall]

They believe we evolved from other animals give me that crap. There is not such think as a man walking out of the primal soup as they call where life was formed. Wow good way to defend your religion I rest my case.

If you're going to denounce something, you'd better darn sure understand what it is you're denouncing and why it is untrue. Otherwise, you just look plain stupid.

I am not an evolutionist, but I am researched enough on the subject to know that the theory of evolution doesn't state we "came from monkeys" (as YOU stated), or that we "came from chimps".

You're so whipped up about "defending your religion" that you're missing the point of what Christianity is all about.

Quit being religious, and start being Christian.

 

[TravisK]

Standingtall is right on the money.

 

[Bluelion]

If you're going to denounce something, you'd better darn sure understand what it is you're denouncing and why it is untrue. Otherwise, you just look plain stupid.

I am not an evolutionist, but I am researched enough on the subject to know that the theory of evolution doesn't state we "came from monkeys" (as YOU stated), or that we "came from chimps".

You're so whipped up about "defending your religion" that you're missing the point of what Christianity is all about.

Quit being religious, and start being Christian.

Yeah i know enough. The Bible is enough to denounce it. funny i don't think prophets in the Bible study other religions to denounce them now did they. But with you logic they should have studied each and every religion before denouncing it. That is not Gods way. When you give study to it you give credit to it. Why would i study fiction as fact? Why waste my time?

Why don't you stop preaching false doctrines and act Christian.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Bluelion, the theory evolution is not a religion. Since when does a "religion" need scientific evidence for it to be considered valid?

Also it is sort of ironic for you to tell standingtall to act Christian, when you are acting unchristian like by calling fellow believers in Jesus Christ not real Christians.

 

[now faith]

Darwin, held the theories of others at first with transmutation of species.

But I believe he abandoned that theory for natural selection of which adaptation is evident today.

But what ever happened to the charts that showed us climbing the evolution scale?

By those illustrations you would think the beginners were chimps or apes.

 

[SeventhValley]

Darwin, held the theories of others at first with transmutation of species.

But I believe he abandoned that theory for natural selection of which adaptation is evident today.

But what ever happened to the charts that showed us climbing the evolution scale?

By those illustrations you would think the beginners were chimps or apes.

Per the current evidence proto-humans would have looked somewhat like chimps but would have walked differently and had different genetics.

But as an old Earther I have no problem if that is how God did things

 

[KWCrazy]

But as an old Earther I have no problem if that is how God did things

As a young earther I would love to see an old earth creationist supply passages in the Scriptures to support what he claims to be the truth. So far, no takers. A few have tried to you parts of verses out of context, but simply posting the entire verse proves that they were intentionally twisting what is written. All true doctrine is supportable by the Scriptures. Where is the support for an old earth?

 

[Bluelion]

Bluelion, the theory evolution is not a religion. Since when does a "religion" need scientific evidence for it to be considered valid?

Also it is sort of ironic for you to tell standingtall to act Christian, when you are acting unchristian like by calling fellow believers in Jesus Christ not real Christians.

Funny I never said the words you accuse me of saying. What i did say is you can not believe in evolution and the Bible to. They are in direct conflict.

So what did you just do you said I said something I did not. That is called baring false witness, seem a lot of that goes on here, and God hates it, says so in the Bible.

So would you like to tell me more about how I am not acting Christian while you commit sins doing it, because last time I check words from The Holy Spirit were true and just, he never lies. This is what i meant by fruit. It is not my term Jesus said you will know the tree by it fruit. A good tree can not produce bad fruit and a bad tree can not produce Good fruit.

Do you think you are producing spiritual Fruit, or fruit of this world of flesh?

Just wrote about this today, and my professor was preaching it. It takes more than just believing that Jesus is the son of God, That he rose from the dead and is alive, that his death was sufficient price for are sins. Demons believe as much, but can never be saved. It takes a volition commitment. Which is a total surrender to Christ. Might want to check if you have done that. It comes from a place of being totally aware of ones lostness and empty state, Their sinful nature. Only when you realize that can you come to Christ.

 

[Bluelion]

Per the current evidence proto-humans would have looked somewhat like chimps but would have walked differently and had different genetics.

But as an old Earther I have no problem if that is how God did things

Its funny that what you speak of has not been proven. Yet you speak it as fact. So you put your faith in it, and that is how science can be a religion to answer the other guys question.

 

[Bluelion]

KW, had a great idea, and I would put it to you prove evolution where does it say it in the Bible. Because as Christians Gods word is the final say?(crickets)