Is anyone else watching the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur?

[Messy]

In charismatic circles that type of activity is nearly perpetual. The space is just off the wall running wild with wolves.

But saying everything in charismatic services is evil is just as not discerning as charismatics who believe everything is from God and the first is worse. MacArthur and other heresy hunters also say real fire is from the devil, that's what the Pharisees said too.

 

[squint]

But saying everything in charismatic services is evil is just as not discerning as charismatics who believe everything is from God and the first is worse.

Any assembly that believes and practices lies is not of God. I don't care how much 'spiritual activity' they learn to act out.

Does God still take His Advantages over such matters? Sure. Doesn't change what it is.

MacArthur and other heresy hunters also say real fire is from the devil, that's what the Pharisees said too.

Fact is that matter is much closer to home than any assembly will ever care to deal with anyway, so what's the point of blaming the other believers? There is no point.

God has in fact promised to keep the evil in mankinds hearts divided, confused and scattered, and He is quite effectively active in that pursuit on many levels.

s

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Any assembly that believes and practices lies is not of God. I don't care how much 'spiritual activity' they learn to act out.

s

Oh -Oh! -are you damning MacArthur?
Be careful when pointing fingers cause three point back. In this case, MacArthur is not teaching the truth about the Word's clear doctrine on tongues and the Holy Spirit Baptism and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit set in the Church for all the Church age.


1 Cor 2: 4,5
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom,but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.


The Holy Spirit has set in the Church for all the Church age, these gifts:
1 Cor 12:
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
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[yeshuasavedme]

the gift of tongues was given as a sign to unbelievers and was not gibberish it was actual language that was being spoken... what edification to anyone does speaking a language that can not be understood by unbelievers have? I genuinely want to understand how you and your fellow charismatics view non common language tongues as a benefit to the church?

The Word is clear: the Church is edified only if there is interpretation which =prophesy. The person is edified/built up, who prays in tongues, to God....that is the Word of God.

1 Cor 14:
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1 Cor 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:



1 Cor 14: 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.


1 Cor 14:


37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

 

[Andrea411]

In charismatic circles that type of activity is nearly perpetual. The space is just off the wall running wild with wolves.



I totally agree and take the same approach. If people are deceived, even myself, that's just the way it is for ignorant sheep. And I have had my fill at that space. You get put there for reasons, as it is with other uncomfortable places where we may find ourselves.



Again, I agree. I believe Paul had complete trust in Christ over and above all the other nonsense. And if some, and I think most, eventually do come away from any bad experiences with their faith intact, so much the better.

That being said, those types of ministries deserve everything they end up with on the downside and then some. May their mansions and boats and jets and mega churches, go up in flames along with their LIES.

I could care less.

s

Counterfeits copy what is valuable and real not the fake stuff.... There are plenty of agnostic pastors out there in denominational churches who stay bc its their paycheck, but they don't draw attention to themselves. Plenty of pervs, porn addicts, adulterers, and molesters to go around, this guy Tilton or whoever the next thief is has no bearing on the truth of the gifts for today or not today.... the fruit is... millions have been saved, hundreds of millions throughout S.America, Africa, Asia... in the last 100 years and it was when the charismatic explosion occurred. Yes there are wolves in sheep's clothing, but they don't pretend to be Methodists, Lutherans, and the mainline church bc there's nothing to copy, those folks look like everyone else.
In Christ's day, people pretended to be the Messiah bc there was one coming and they still do...
and I am glad we agree.... at least the gospel is preached bc many of these people would never have heard the gospel if some greedy nut job didn't spot them as an easy meal.... at least they are going... look at TBN... geez, I have to keep my opinions to myself but they are carrying the gospel into Iran, Egypt, Afghanistan etc etc. they got rich doing it... so what is that to me. God will deal with them and they have brought more people to the Lord then I have. He can use the jaw bone of an ass - He can use Pink haired ladies too....
God bless, andrea

PS: how will they believe if they have not heard, the power is in the WORD of God bc of the work of God not bc we are so holy in the way we present the gospel... its God power not TBN's or mine

 

[squint]

Oh -Oh! -are you damning MacArthur?

I don't damn any believer, not even TILTON! As tempting as that death trap is.

It only means I'm not interested in active participation in various lying ministries of anyone.

Be careful when pointing fingers cause three point back. In this case, MacArthur is not teaching the truth about the Word's clear doctrine on tongues and the Holy Spirit Baptism and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit set in the Church for all the Church age.

I suspect each party has a constituency coupled with a financial dog in the hunt.

My bad for wearing my own specially installed reality glasses that cost quite a bit on many levels.

For the record I've had prophecy spoken over me that was true by men of God who were still liars and deceivers. Go figure.

s

 

[Andrea411]

Next week, there will be a Christian conference in my country, where charismatics, baptists, non-denominationals, Pentecostals and people from other denomination will come together. Unity in diversity. Maybe, during worship, one will dance, one will raise up his hands, one will stay straight. But, in the end, we will all pray for our country, each one as he knows. In the last months, there were many, many churches coming together to pray for unity between churches. So sad to know that in the other part of the earth, there is a conference who is dividing Christians and making some look superior and others look like demons.

.... yes you are so right. if we were the persecuted church there would be no time for this nonsense
God bless you and I pray for the gospel to over flow throughout your country in real revival. May millions come to know Him in all His glory, amen

 

[Messy]

Any assembly that believes and practices lies is not of God. I don't care how much 'spiritual activity' they learn to act out.
s

Not the whole charismatic church is involved in false fire, look at this threat:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7778117/
But I prefer a charismatic having real fire himself to point out what's good and what's bad. You know the tree by its fruits. I've been to a false fire conference, wanted to check if it was bad and the people in the charismatic forum said it wasn't good. God told me and they did too, but I've also seen real fire. Real fire comes when someone lives holy and people get saved as a result. It's not about getting money either, but feeding orphans and bringing the gospel. False fire is for having a good time yourself and keep on sinning.

 

[squint]

Counterfeits copy what is valuable and real not the fake stuff.... There are plenty of agnostic pastors out there in denominational churches who stay bc its their paycheck, but they don't draw attention to themselves. Plenty of pervs, porn addicts, adulterers, and molesters to go around, this guy Tilton or whoever the next thief is has no bearing on the truth of the gifts for today or not today.... the fruit is... millions have been saved, hundreds of millions throughout S.America, Africa, Asia...

If everyone was saved at the dog and pony show, were they?

The notion that 'salvation' means pumping a cleverly manipulated four stepper, taking the check from anyone who will give it and splitting to the Bahamas mansion for rest and recouperation is christianity what can I say to that?

PLAY ON!

in the last 100 years and it was when the charismatic explosion occurred. Yes there are wolves in sheep's clothing, but they don't pretend to be Methodists, Lutherans, and the mainline church bc there's nothing to copy, those folks look like everyone else.

Any real moves of God are patternistically followed by the activity of the resistance movement.

That is the reality of christianity. Don't ever forget who's left behind after the real move.

In Christ's day, people pretended to be the Messiah bc there was one coming and they still do...
and I am glad we agree.... at least the gospel is preached bc many of these people would never have heard the gospel if some greedy nut job didn't spot them as an easy meal....

Capitalism + christianity: FAIL

at least they are going... look at TBN... geez, I have to keep my opinions to myself but they are carrying the gospel into Iran, Egypt, Afghanistan etc etc. they got rich doing it... so what is that to me.

It means we export our lies to maximize profits.

God will deal with them and they have brought more people to the Lord then I have. He can use the jaw bone of an ass - He can use Pink haired ladies too....
God bless, andrea

Yeah, we should not be concerned if any believing base is established on the fine foundations of lies. God will surely sort out the mess. And in the meantime, if some stretched face charlatans get rich...MEH

PS: how will they believe if they have not heard, the power is in the WORD of God bc of the work of God not bc we are so holy in the way we present the gospel... its God power not TBN's or mine

Gods power? What a joke.

s

 

[Messy]

One guy said: pennycostals and charismaniacs, that's what gives us a bad name.

 

[HisSparkPlug]

1 Cor 14: 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

1 Cor 14:
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

And on that note ..... This blesses me... The write up as to why she's singing in tongues is below the video...

Joann Mcfatter - Lament - YouTube
About my CD "Temple Dance"
... It was truly an amazing experience to help create this Spirit driven CD. When I heard the music from what I titled "Lament", all I could do is sing in tongues. I pretty much left it that way because the music aused a lament to fall on me. I found out later that the instrumental piece was originally written as a background for prayers for the holocaust victims. No wonder I felt what I felt. That is only one of many experiences in making this CD.
- JoAnn McFatter
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/song_show_lyrics/4496472

 

[Messy]

I just read this one:

Tyler G. Johnson


Just to be clear, I am filled with a Strange Fire. The fire of God is nothing but strangely wonderful. I am also a "grace preacher" that believes in a "grace gospel". What gospel to do you have unless it is a gospel of grace? And what kind of grace is there other than grace that is "exaggerated" and excessive? It doesn't get more gracious of God, more excessively over the top, or more strange than Jesus Christ dying on a cross.

 

[Andrea411]

I just read this one:

Tyler G. Johnson


Just to be clear, I am filled with a Strange Fire. The fire of God is nothing but strangely wonderful. I am also a "grace preacher" that believes in a "grace gospel". What gospel to do you have unless it is a gospel of grace? And what kind of grace is there other than grace that is "exaggerated" and excessive? It doesn't get more gracious of God, more excessively over the top, or more strange than Jesus Christ dying on a cross.

Thank you, I linked to his Fb page.... yes if someone had told J.M. about what Jesus was about to do he would have had a conference to decide if it was scriptural and then declared his findings as canon.... he would have requested no strange fire and make sure you warn them to stay home on the day of Pentecost bc there will be strange fire

 

[Dusky Mouse]

One guy said: pennycostals and charismaniacs, that's what gives us a bad name.

"pennycostals and charismaniacs: Is it wrong to laugh with someone that silly?

Oh my, I'm bi-pennycoastal.

east west chuckle.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I dont see how God referred to his fire as that which was strange when it apparently didnt glorify him or present Him as holy.

The doctrine of Christ isnt called strange, there was also that which was called "strange doctrines"

And that which preferreth strangers to their own husband, or strange wives (which led Solomons heart astray).

Strange puts a difference between (in a negative sense) not positive. Except when others think it strange that we dont run into the same excess as them.

 

[Andrea411]

I dont see how God referred to his fire as that which was strange when it apparently didnt glorify him or present Him as holy.

The doctrine of Christ isnt called strange, there was also that which was called "strange doctrines"

And that which preferreth strangers to their own husband, or strange wives (which led Solomons heart astray).

Strange puts a difference between (in a negative sense) not positive. Except when others think it strange that we dont run into the same excess as them.

................ you can not cherry pick words and make them fit your thoughts bc someone will come back and do the same to you... just bc something is strange does not make it bad. I have been told there is nothing stranger then talking to an invisible friend.... in prayer.I could argue that if your rejected of men and a stranger that your Christlike -- it would not be true... but I could pull up scripture to support many unbiblical ideas...the fact is we are a strange people
........
And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,

“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”
8 and,

“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation.

 

[Fireinfolding]

................ you can not cherry pick words and make them fit your thoughts bc someone will come back and do the same to you... just bc something is strange does not make it bad. I have been told there is nothing stranger then talking to an invisible friend.... in prayer.I could argue that if your rejected of men and a stranger that your Christlike -- it would not be true... but I could pull up scripture to support many unbiblical ideas...the fact is we are a strange people
........
And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,

“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”
8 and,

“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation.

The context IS strange fire

 

[Andrea411]

The context IS strange fire

Originally Posted by Fireinfolding
I dont see how God referred to his fire as that which was strange when it apparently didnt glorify him or present Him as holy.

The doctrine of Christ isnt called strange, there was also that which was called "strange doctrines"

And that which preferreth strangers to their own husband, or strange wives (which led Solomons heart astray).

Strange puts a difference between (in a negative sense) not positive. Except when others think it strange that we dont run into the same excess as them.
..................................
..................................
??? you might see why I thought otherwise??

 

[Fireinfolding]

Originally Posted by Fireinfolding
I dont see how God referred to his fire as that which was strange when it apparently didnt glorify him or present Him as holy.

The doctrine of Christ isnt called strange, there was also that which was called "strange doctrines"

And that which preferreth strangers to their own husband, or strange wives (which led Solomons heart astray).

Strange puts a difference between (in a negative sense) not positive. Except when others think it strange that we dont run into the same excess as them.
..................................
..................................
??? you might see why I thought otherwise??

What on earth???

 

[blankCrossfire]

................ you can not cherry pick words and make them fit your thoughts bc someone will come back and do the same to you... just bc something is strange does not make it bad. I have been told there is nothing stranger then talking to an invisible friend.... in prayer.I could argue that if your rejected of men and a stranger that your Christlike -- it would not be true... but I could pull up scripture to support many unbiblical ideas...the fact is we are a strange people
........
And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,

“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”
8 and,

“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation.

Words have meanings.
If you're going to use words and not only take them out of context but use them in a way in which they are not supposed to (referring to God's fire as 'strange') I would encourage you not to use them at all.
You will misinterpret a lot of the bible if you continue to do this.

2 Peter 3:15-16
as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.