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Is anyone else watching the Strange Fire conference with John MacArthur?

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I don't think my worship is corrupt.... how dare you assume something so disgusting. The mainline churches are dead and dying, the charismatic church is in love with Jesus. All over the world the gospel is being spread, mostly charismatic missionaries, even the Baptists missionaries are charismatic bc their hearts are on fire.... its a shame that is so strange to most of our churches who wouldn't know how to lift their hands or shout His praises for fear their neighbors wouldn't approve..... and the truth is - their neighbors would not approve. Charismatics have been mocked and laughed at but yet we know what it is like to worship in Spirit and in truth.... you mock what you do not know. It is a sad day when worshipping Jesus Christ is considered strange fire....

1Cor 14:2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.
 
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2 Samuel 6
21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”
23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.>>>>>>>>>>>WARNING - DO NOT MOCK GOD"S WORSHIPPERS
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1 Chronicles 15:29
29 And as the ark of the covenant of the Lord came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window and saw King David dancing and celebrating, and she despised him in her heart.
 
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1 Chronicles 15:29

29 And as the ark of the covenant of the Lord came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window and saw King David dancing and celebrating, and she despised him in her heart.

Welcome to CF Andrea... And by the way I agree! :amen:
 
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It's interesting to note that David wasn't in the temple, the place of worship, when he was dancing.

I am thinking he did...

Psalms 149 Praise ye the Lord. Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King.
3 Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
4 For the Lord taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand;

Psalm 150 Praise ye the Lord. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord.
 
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1 Chronicles 15:29
29 And as the ark of the covenant of the Lord came to the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window and saw King David dancing and celebrating, and she despised him in her heart.

Very good Andrea411. Now let's take it a step further for the little lady :)

Take a look at this, And David said unto Michal, “It was before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord. And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death” - 2 Sam 6:21-23

The penalty for making fun of the joy of the Lord (which is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit) is punishment from the Lord. Michal was struck barren as a result of making fun of the Joy of the Lord. We must be careful to not reject what is of God, He cannot be put into a polite little box. The Lord is outrageous at times, and He is passionate. Those who reject His giftings and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are rejecting a very real part of His character. I can only imagine how much this hurts His feelings. I know how it hurts my feelings when I feel rejected and judged...
 
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Very good Andrea411. Now let's take it a step further for the little lady :)

Take a look at this, And David said unto Michal, “It was before the Lord, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel: therefore will I play before the Lord. And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour. Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death” - 2 Sam 6:21-23

The penalty for making fun of the joy of the Lord (which is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit) is punishment from the Lord. Michal was struck barren as a result of making fun of the Joy of the Lord. We must be careful to not reject what is of God, He cannot be put into a polite little box. The Lord is outrageous at times, and He is passionate. Those who reject His giftings and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are rejecting a very real part of His character. I can only imagine how much this hurts His feelings. I know how it hurts my feelings when I feel rejected and judged...

but it breaks my heart to think of all the joy I get from worshipping the Lord and they are so bound by there own religiosity they think serves the Lord... its heart wrenching. I'm almost 60 and I feel like a kid listening to Undignified .... I laugh, I sing, my soul just leaps for joy.
I get no satisfaction from their being wrong.... I want them to join the joy :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
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Since I paid no small amount of dues in the charismatic arena, here is a picture of a guy that our little local assembly would beam into the church via closed satellite every once in awhile, and we, ALL of us that 'belonged,' just thought he was spot on RIGHT, hallelujah!

I love you - YouTube

And I look at that guy today and just shake my head.

What was I thinking?

Would any of you actually believe this clown? Would YOU trust your theology to the man above? Take every word he says as GOSPEL?

Hundreds of thousands did at the time.

And hundreds of thousands were DECEIVED.


Not just deceived. FLEECED of their money and their time.

Shorn like a flock of IGNORANT BLIND SHEEP.

Imagine that?

go figure...

Today and the many years since then (over 26 years ago) I have only one Gospel and it's called

GET REAL.

If you don't have a critical heart, you will pay with your WOOL.

and you will deserve to pay and you will even LIKE it.

I know people who never left that deception
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You couldn't convince them that the guy above is a lying wolf for all the reality in the world.

That's how deceiving deception can be.

They only have my sympathies for their own blessed IGNORANCE. And I have the pleasure of speaking the truth to their faces and not have them listen anyway.

It's quite entertaining. Quite.

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Andrea read the entire 14th chapter can you not see the context?

1 Corinthians 14 (New American Standard Bible)



1 Corinthians 14

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14 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. 3 But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. 4 One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching? 7 Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp? 8 For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.10 There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. 12 So also you, since you are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.
13 Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. 16 Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying? 17 For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified. 18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Instruction for the Church

20 Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. 21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. 22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. 23 Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; 25 the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. 30 But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. 31 For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; 32 and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; 33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. 36 Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
37 If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. 38 But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
39 Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. 40 But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
 
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His word is a fire, and there is what is called strange fire, wouldnt a strange fire be equated somewhat to a strange doctrine?

Sorta like preferring strangers, strange doctrines, or shown as a strange fire... that sort of thing?

Given God is glorified by Jesus Christ by speaking the oracles of God, whereas it speaks of them not glorifying Him in the same

Like counting whats written a strange thing

Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
 
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@Cogent = who the heck was that guy in the video? :scratch: I don't have a clue who he is, but surely you must be aware that not every person who claims to be a servant of God is one. Sure there is deception and errors and funk in the Charismatic church..... but there is also deception & error & funk in the non Charismatic church. For instance, this MacArthur fellow is not doing the work of God, but like a Pharisee is legalistic. He also tells blantant lies.. Read: A Final Appeal to Pastor John MacArthur on the Eve of His 'Strange Fire' Conference

His word is a fire
Hosea 8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
Yes... I feel bad for these ones who count the mysteries of God as "a strange thing" which is exactly what this scripture you quoted is referencing.

Last night I was reminded of a teaching by a respected man of God in which the Lord showed him a time coming when there will be huge disputes during which the Charismatic are made fun of in-depth and how important it is that we who know Spiritual giftings are real, not engage in fighting back or arguing. The Lord also gave me a dream about this very thing some time back. It's one thing to be level headed & discuss, it's yet another to get angry and say things we ought not to or try to force the issue. Abba can fight this fight on His own as it's His character & personalty which are being attacked....

.. And for that reason.. I'm OUT (of this dragon's den) ... :sorry:

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Robert Tilton! Loves money. Deceiver, wolf in sheeps clothing, demon straight from the pit.
God will expose the charlatan. Tilton does not speak in tongues he fakes it. Someone that use to know him in college said RT would practice speaking in gibberish so that he sounded like he was speaking in tongues so that he could sell his future congregation on his fraud.
But God does insure Tilton speaks his true heart. Watch this:
Robert Tilton says ''Satan gave me this message'' on Live TV - YouTube




Christian Televangelist Robert Tilton Fraud Scandal - YouTube


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Since I paid no small amount of dues in the charismatic arena, here is a picture of a guy that our little local assembly would beam into the church via closed satellite every once in awhile, and we, ALL of us that 'belonged,' just thought he was spot on RIGHT, hallelujah!

I love you - YouTube

And I look at that guy today and just shake my head.

What was I thinking?

Would any of you actually believe this clown? Would YOU trust your theology to the man above? Take every word he says as GOSPEL?

Hundreds of thousands did at the time.

And hundreds of thousands were DECEIVED.


Not just deceived. FLEECED of their money and their time.

Shorn like a flock of IGNORANT BLIND SHEEP.

Imagine that?

go figure...

Today and the many years since then (over 26 years ago) I have only one Gospel and it's called

GET REAL.

If you don't have a critical heart, you will pay with your WOOL.

and you will deserve to pay and you will even LIKE it.

I know people who never left that deception
.


You couldn't convince them that the guy above is a lying wolf for all the reality in the world.

That's how deceiving deception can be.

They only have my sympathies for their own blessed IGNORANCE. And I have the pleasure of speaking the truth to their faces and not have them listen anyway.

It's quite entertaining. Quite.

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I'm sorry you were deceived. I was never deceived by this man, knew it right away.... whole bunch of them out there.... but since when is a hard heart a fruit of the Spirit? And I would never be entertained by you or others who I thought were in deception, that is just plain sad..... I am not entertained by charismatic preachers who fall or are deceptive, evangelicals, Catholics or any other denomination or theological gathering - but I've prayed about it and the Lord gave me an answer that quiets my mind.... in the end it is just like Paul said. Whether for selfish ambition or greed, or any other reason 'I rejoice that Christ is being preached". Bc even if a preacher comes to them to steal their money - if they get the gospel... who cares if the thief got rich? How much more did the person receive when he learned of Christ. So these charlatans serve God's purpose too.

15 Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16 The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.
 
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I'm sorry you were deceived. I was never deceived by this man, knew it right away.... whole bunch of them out there.... but since when is a hard heart a fruit of the Spirit? And I would never be entertained by you or others who I thought were in deception, that is just plain sad.....

In charismatic circles that type of activity is nearly perpetual. The space is just off the wall running wild with wolves.

I am not entertained by charismatic preachers who fall or are deceptive, evangelicals, Catholics or any other denomination or theological gathering - but I've prayed about it and the Lord gave me an answer that quiets my mind.... in the end it is just like Paul said. Whether for selfish ambition or greed, or any other reason 'I rejoice that Christ is being preached".

I totally agree and take the same approach. If people are deceived, even myself, that's just the way it is for ignorant sheep. And I have had my fill at that space. You get put there for reasons, as it is with other uncomfortable places where we may find ourselves.

Bc even if a preacher comes to them to steal their money - if they get the gospel... who cares if the thief got rich? How much more did the person receive when he learned of Christ. So these charlatans serve God's purpose too.

Again, I agree. I believe Paul had complete trust in Christ over and above all the other nonsense. And if some, and I think most, eventually do come away from any bad experiences with their faith intact, so much the better.

That being said, those types of ministries deserve everything they end up with on the downside and then some. May their mansions and boats and jets and mega churches, go up in flames along with their LIES.

I could care less.

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Next week, there will be a Christian conference in my country, where charismatics, baptists, non-denominationals, Pentecostals and people from other denomination will come together. Unity in diversity. Maybe, during worship, one will dance, one will raise up his hands, one will stay straight. But, in the end, we will all pray for our country, each one as he knows. In the last months, there were many, many churches coming together to pray for unity between churches. So sad to know that in the other part of the earth, there is a conference who is dividing Christians and making some look superior and others look like demons. :(
 
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the gift of tongues was given as a sign to unbelievers and was not gibberish it was actual language that was being spoken... what edification to anyone does speaking a language that can not be understood by unbelievers have? I genuinely want to understand how you and your fellow charismatics view non common language tongues as a benefit to the church?
 
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the gift of tongues was given as a sign to unbelievers and was not gibberish it was actual language that was being spoken... what edification to anyone does speaking a language that can not be understood by unbelievers have? I genuinely want to understand how you and your fellow charismatics view non common language tongues as a benefit to the church?
Paul said you shouldn't do that in church and that is what some do on the pulpit without translation, which is stupid. It's a prayer language for intercession you use at home or in a prayer group.
Tongues which can be understood (foreign languages) or with translation are a sign for unbelievers.
 
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