Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[Lion King]

See now this is what I was wondering about... If God told us not to sleep with blood relatives then wouldn't that apply to the beginning as well? Glad you brought this up.

Incest was not a sin before the Mosaic Law. For example: Abraham marrying his own half-sister, Sarah:

And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father’s house, that I said to her, ‘This is your kindness that you should do for me: in every place, wherever we go, say of me, “He is my brother.” Genesis 20:11-13

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Cursed be he that lies with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:22

Why would it have been ok to marry one's own sister?

...because this command had to be fulfilled.

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground. Genesis 1:28

 

[AmericanChristian91]

How would you explain the existence of the Nephilims?

What existence? They don't exist.

 

[Fireinfolding]

What existence? They don't exist.

He means how they come to exist as they are shown in scripture

 

[Messy]

WOT? - ... well this is a new one to my ears.... or should I say "eyes". Oh Lord help us..

What´s so strange about that? God said the Messiah would come through her. How was she to know it would take another 4000 years or so?

 

[YeShallTread]

He created mankind in His Image: Father, Son, Holy Spirit: spirit, soul and body. And like Him, without sin, like Jesus: clothed with His Glory.

If that was true then we would all be only begotten sons of God. We aren't for there is only One. One in His express image as you have described above. So, what of....

Genesis 1:26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
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Image #6754 - tselem, to shade, a phantom, illusion, resemblance, a representative figure, espc. idol, image, vain shew.
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At the creation of man[kind], they (for He created "them" not him) were made in "our" image, showing there was more than the image of God in which man was made. To be in the image you speak of we must attain knowledge and put on our new man....

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created him:

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Mankind was made to resemble, in their likeness, angelic beings. For this reason...angels can walk among us.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
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Mankind, created on the sixth day did not receive the breath of life. They were living, they had a soul but they were not spiritually alive. That was reserved for the man Adam....

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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We too receive that breath when the Holy Spirit dwells in us. He can leave us...as He left Adam. There is no once saved always saved!

That doesn't mean some are beasts, it's about everyone:
I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.

Even if it would mean that, it doesn't make sense that beasts are from the natural line of Cain or preAdamites. I was a child of the devil until I converted and became His child, so it's a spiritual thing.

Yes, all are beasts. It has nothing to do with being from Cain and yes it is a spiritual thing.

 

[Lion King]

What existence? They don't exist.

He means how they come to exist as they are shown in scripture

^^^^What she said.

 

[squint]

And he is just talking about the man....nothing is being said about the topic. Why is that? I don't care to hear an explanation of his dislike of someone. I don't care about it for it is nothing more than a dodge.

I never said I dislike Mr. Murray. Obviously I've never met the man.

Do I believe what he claims? No.

And the fact is Mr. Murray has a LOT of clones. Do I dislike them? No.

Do I believe what they claim?

No.

Fact is your claims are identical to Mr. Murray.

and that makes you his CLONE.

Unless you'd care to differentiate and prove otherwise.

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[YeShallTread]

Goodness. I know I descended from Adam.

Perhaps you did...and if so you would, in all probability, be of the tribes of Israel. Scattered long ago, I believe, to take His Word to the world. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and...He found us/them. We (whether through lineage or through adoption) carry His name...Christian.

 

[YeShallTread]

I call it like it is. Between Tzaousios, Rev and squint I think things have been sufficiently refuted.

No Cogent...you call it like YOU see it, not like it is. Some see and some are not given eyes to see.

If you think anything has been refuted...please give an example.

Some like to profess that the universe is geocentric, some like to insist on that Cain is the product of a sexual union between Eve and the Serpent, some still like to insist that angels actually had sex with humans and produced giant people.

That remark is one of the examples of your inability to see what is clearly written, an example of you calling what you see or fail to see...not what is.

 

[squint]

Perhaps you did...and if so you would, in all probability, be of the tribes of Israel. Scattered long ago, I believe, to take His Word to the world. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and...He found us/them. We (whether through lineage or through adoption) carry His name...Christian.

Oh, look, a lucky NON KENNITE.

The genetic drama is so exciting. Are you really a kennite or not? If you are listening to Mr. Murray, you may in fact NOT be a kennite.

Stay tuned to find out more.

zzzzz

 

[Jere209]

Have you any thoughts on this, YST?

ok..To begin with, this is my understanding of the Serpent Seed theory.. I am familiar with the Pre-Adamic race, and the Nephilum however, not this one. I am now though!

William Branham taught a version of the original sin that was highly unorthodox and which is referred to by his followers as the "serpent's seed" or "serpent seed" doctrine.
This doctrine is comprised of the following related beliefs:
The original sin in the Garden of Eden was not eating a fruit, it was a sexual sin;
Eve's sin was not mere disobedience but rather that she had sexual intercourse with the serpent;
The serpent was an upright beast, effectively the "missing link";
Cain and Abel were maternal non-identical twins:
Cain was the son of Eve and the serpent; and
Abel was the son of Eve and Adam.

This is mind blowing to me. To suggest that humans come from anything other than God and HIS image is what is blasphemous. That God would allow satan to create mankind? lol!

It rejects what it says in Acts 17:26
The KJV states that God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth."
Translations into modern English also make it very clear:
And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.
And He made from one [common origin, one source, one blood] all nations of men to settle on the face of the earth, having definitely determined [their] allotted periods of time and the fixed boundaries of their habitation (their settlements, lands, and abodes)...

Also Romans 5:12
Paul said that "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men..."
That one man was Adam, not Cain. Not one woman, not one serpent. One man - Adam.
So then, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all people.
Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned.[8]
If you believe the Serpent's seed is physical, you deny the truth of Romans 5:12

Am I right in what I have came up with so far? If so, how do you respond to Acts 17:26 and Romans 5:12, YST?

 

[YeShallTread]

Incest was not a sin before the Mosaic Law. For example: Abraham marrying his own half-sister, Sarah:

And Abraham said, “Because I thought, surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will kill me on account of my wife. But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. And it came to pass, when God caused me to wander from my father’s house, that I said to her, ‘This is your kindness that you should do for me: in every place, wherever we go, say of me, “He is my brother.” Genesis 20:11-13

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Cursed be he that lies with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:22



...because this command had to be fulfilled.

God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground. Genesis 1:28

There were many people created and they were created male and female...by the sixth day. Thus, they were able to be fruitful and multiple.

The sin of incest has always been a sin and the knowledge of that sin, although not written on papyrus...was written in the hearts of man. We were created with a conscience to know right from wrong.

Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Romans 2:13-15 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.


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Incest is naturally repugnant knowledge, written on our hearts. What of Abraham and Sarah? He was in his "father's house"....still living in Ur among pagans when he married his half sister. He was not yet called by God to leave sin behind.

Before you were called...did you willfully sin, sin in full knowledge of it being a sin? I did. So did Abraham. My point is because he was married to a half-sister doesn't mean that incest was condoned...ever!

Mankind was not supposed to procreate with their siblings. He would not allow sin, or tell them to be fruitful and multiply with your brothers and sisters and then write strict guidelines to avoid it.

 

[YeShallTread]

Oh, look, a lucky NON KENNITE.

The genetic drama is so exciting. Are you really a kennite or not? If you are listening to Mr. Murray, you may in fact NOT be a kennite.

Stay tuned to find out more.

zzzzz

You fail to understand so much Squint and appear to be quite happy in that position.

If you want answers about anything on topic...please ask.

 

[Rev Randy]

Oh, look, a lucky NON KENNITE.

The genetic drama is so exciting. Are you really a kennite or not? If you are listening to Mr. Murray, you may in fact NOT be a kennite.

Stay tuned to find out more.

zzzzz

And folks wonder why I object to Calvinism. Seems an idea can snowball once released. Oh well, at least I'm not like those Purple Pygmy Eskimos.

 

[Lion King]

There were many people created and they were created male and female...by the sixth day. Thus, they were able to be fruitful and multiple.

The sin of incest has always been a sin and the knowledge of that sin, although not written on papyrus...was written in the hearts of man. We were created with a conscience to know right from wrong.

Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Romans 2:13-15 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.


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Incest is naturally repugnant knowledge, written on our hearts. What of Abraham and Sarah? He was in his "father's house"....still living in Ur among pagans when he married his half sister. He was not yet called by God to leave sin behind.

Before you were called...did you willfully sin, sin in full knowledge of it being a sin? I did. So did Abraham. My point is because he was married to a half-sister doesn't mean that incest was condoned...ever!

Mankind was not supposed to procreate with their siblings. He would not allow sin, or tell them to be fruitful and multiply with your brothers and sisters and then write strict guidelines to avoid it.

I'm guessing this is the part where you tell me that eating pork or shell-fish was a sin, even in the beginning of time?

 

[Jere209]

Perhaps you did...and if so you would, in all probability, be of the tribes of Israel. Scattered long ago, I believe, to take His Word to the world. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and...He found us/them. We (whether through lineage or through adoption) carry His name...Christian.

I think I will state that I I believe the infallible Word of God and that creation happened by Him. All else is heresy.

 

[Rev Randy]

For God so loved most of the world? With the exception of that race he hates?

 

[Jere209]

This is nothing except a "doctrine" for a thinly disguised veil of racism.

 

[Fireinfolding]

This is nothing except a "doctrine" for a thinly disguised veil of racism.

Barbie still loves the Ken-nites

 

[Lion King]

Oh, look, a lucky NON KENNITE.

The genetic drama is so exciting. Are you really a kennite or not? If you are listening to Mr. Murray, you may in fact NOT be a kennite.

Stay tuned to find out more.

zzzzz

'tis only a matter of time now before we hear that nonsensical KKK/Aryan etc doctrine about how the white race are the chosen people of God, and how the white people are the true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.