Is not honoring the sabbath a sin?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Stryder06

The issue is keeping the sabbath day holy.

And to answer the question, yes it is a sin. Just as much as breaking any of the other nine is a sin.

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And the SDA doctrine doesn't make the Sabbath a BURDEN by laying SIN, CONDEMNATION and the potential of ETERNAL DEATH upon those non-SATURDAY keepers in HONOR of that day???

It might appear to me you can concoct NO GREATER BURDEN than that.

please spare me...

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[squint]

The presumption or FALSE PRESENTATION put into the OBEY THE SATURDAY SABBATH law keepers is that obedience means they are NOT sinning.

In order to make that claim they have to claim:

A. Temporary sinless while being legally obedient

or

B. that they are SINLESS

or

C. that they are legally obedient while being simultaneously SINNERS

None of those options however are all that truthful about the matters as none of that actually happens.

Therefore the claim of being A NON -SINNER by being legally obedient to the Saturday Sabbath Law is not only specious, but a non-starter.

It does allow the adherents to lie to themselves about how good they are however, and therein resides just another trap for the mind and heart, appealing as it is.

I mean who doesn't like to feel good about their supposed obedience?

Few people like to sit in church and have to deal with the ever present reality of actually BEING a sinner. No, that will NEVER do. We like our religion to be filled with blessings so that we don't have to deal with the facts.

"oh bless me lord, bless me lord"
You know it's all I ever hear
(Keith Green)

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[Setyoufree]

Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

Luke 13:14-16 NASB
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But the synagogue official, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, began saying to the crowd in response, "There are six days in which work should be done; so come during them and get healed, and not on the Sabbath day."

But the Lord answered him and said, "You hypocrites, does not each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or his donkey from the stall and lead him away to water him?

"And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?"
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Yes...but the Sabbath, understood in the light of the gospel, is anything but legalistic.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by ToxicReboMan

Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

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Yes...but the Sabbath, understood in the light of the gospel, is anything but legalistic.

Do you keep the Fri-Sat Sabbath? Just curious



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[SilverBlade]

I've been giving this a lot of thought (and research), and I've come to the conclusion that, even though some Christians are obsessed with keeping Saturday holy (by not going to work, not buying and selling..etc), they may not be honoring the entire command there.

The command, in a nutshell is work 6 days, keep the 7th holy.

Do 'Sabbath-keepers' go to work for 8 hours on Sunday? 99% chance they are not. Even if you try to ask your employer to work on Sunday, they'd laugh in your face and refuse the request. So, just be default, you're NOT working on Sunday, so you're NOT fulfilling 100% of the command.

Also, do you forego washing your hands? or not flush the toilet? or not take a shower in the morning? Each of those utilities trigger off an electrical pump to push water around. If using electricity (somehow) is related to breaking the sabbath, then using any of these means..guess what? breaking the Sabbath day. I guess you'll have stinky bathrooms, disgusting hands and smelling awful all day.

Also, lets talk about various services you subscribe to. Electricity, water, television, internet, etc. Part of your monthly fee has the potential to be paying someone who happens to work on Saturday. Does this count as making someone work for you on the Sabbath? How granular do you get?

What about if you buy something from someone online, and they happen to package it up on Saturday, even though you paid them on a different day..breaking the Sabbath?.

Lets take an even more modern example: Digital sales. Lets say iTunes for simplicity. Say you're a musician that has music on iTunes. Does someone purchasing it on Saturday cause you to work? No, it's already been done. Is it breaking the Sabbath law just by the simple act of 'selling' something digitally, even though you can not control it? Where does one draw the line?

Now, lets take winter environments. People need to use electricity in their house in order to prevent water from freezing up the lines (and causing tens of thousands of dollars of damage). If using electricity = breaking the sabbath, then...you risk destroying your home.

There's also the issue of policies that may be in place for apartment or condos that do not allow you to use any form of candles within the home (for safety and insurance purposes). Break the sabbath or risk a lawsuit?

I (personally) don't believe that using electricity is in any way 'breaking' the Sabbath law. It's an entirely different process than kindling a fire. I'll tell you why: With fire, it takes actual work to get it started and to maintain the fire so that it doesn't burn out or go out of control. Using electricity? totally mindless..you flip a switch and you get light. You flip a switch and an appliance turns on. Plus, the electronics inside are all self-regulating and self-maintaining. It is completely passive other than using the device, but you're not maintaining the device like you would a fire.

I think that people may try to 'keep the Sabbath holy' by attending church on Saturday, but in today's world, and the examples I gave, trying to fulfill it 100% is a near impossibility.

 

[Rubiks]

Its not a sin to work on the Sabbath. The sabbath was intended for the hebrews only

 

[from scratch]

Its not a sin to work on the Sabbath. The sabbath was intended for the hebrews only

 

[boldlion]

It is a sin to work on the sabbath, just as it is a sin to commit adultery, or lie or steal.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Rubiks Its not a sin to work on the Sabbath.
The sabbath was intended for the hebrews only

It is a sin to work on the sabbath, just as it is a sin to commit adultery, or lie or steal.

If one observes the Jewish Sabbath in conjunction with the 10 Commandments, then I suppose it would be a sin.



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[TannarDarr]

Weren't the Pharisees admonished for this type of legalism?

No, they were spanked for all the other smelly stuff they tacked onto it. They got ridiculous adding their own refinements.

And don't' forget, there is a difference in the Sabbath Day, and all the other Sabbaths. All the others are laws. The Sabbath Day is part of the Decalogue.
If you break one part of a covenant you break all of it Paul said. So I don't think it came OUT of existence. ESPECIALLY when you read how much Christ defended it trying to show the Pharisees how to do it right.

If someone keeps the Sabbath because they are supposed to..... they might as well turn it into a drunken orgy every Sabbath they missed the day.

God decreed the day HOLY in Adam's time. He declared the day HOLY for our recognition the day was special, NOT for His recognition. He won't forget what He did.

God asked us to make it a special day in remembrance of His accomplishment. You would keep this day for the same reasons you would honor your anniversary, or your wife's, or your parent's or your children's birthday. It's a day that is special to them, so you honor it.

If you poopoo the Sabbath day away, it's hard to say you love God since the simplest part of the claim, we ignore.

Someone is gonna feel smart and start asking me if I eat bacon, or sacrifice animals, and I'm going to ignore them for not reading the post before they knee jerked. All the laws, regarding the Sabbath, are a different chat than the declaration of God, and the Commandment in the Decalogue.

 

[TannarDarr]

If one observes the Jewish Sabbath in conjunction with the 10 Commandments, then I suppose it would be a sin.



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So I can murder you, for this post and it's not a sin?

(for legal reasons, that was not a threat, but a hyperbolic example.)

 

[jmer816]

The Roman Catholic Church says "yes." My own view, however, is that the New Testament releases us from that obligation, which was binding on the Hebrews, and since I believe the New Testament to be the inspired Word of God, I have to answer "no" to the question of the thread.

If the sabbath was binding to Jews only, then why was it sanctified and hallowed at creation? The sabbath has always been about the Creator and His relationship with this planet's creation and every living thing in it. God did not say "Thou shalt not kill" just so Jews wouldn't murder eachother, but it's totally ok for us gentiles. Jesus did not die on the cross so that we could have free license to commit crimes against God and fellow man. Paul the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES in the NEW TESTAMENT says "what then, do we make void the law?? God forbid! Yea we ESTABLISH THE LAW". Of course he is referencing God's moral law (10 commandments), versus Moses' ceremonial law which was indeed completed at the cross.

 

[SilverBlade]

No, they were spanked for all the other smelly stuff they tacked onto it. They got ridiculous adding their own refinements.

And don't' forget, there is a difference in the Sabbath Day, and all the other Sabbaths. All the others are laws. The Sabbath Day is part of the Decalogue.
If you break one part of a covenant you break all of it Paul said. So I don't think it came OUT of existence. ESPECIALLY when you read how much Christ defended it trying to show the Pharisees how to do it right.

If someone keeps the Sabbath because they are supposed to..... they might as well turn it into a drunken orgy every Sabbath they missed the day.

God decreed the day HOLY in Adam's time. He declared the day HOLY for our recognition the day was special, NOT for His recognition. He won't forget what He did.

God asked us to make it a special day in remembrance of His accomplishment. You would keep this day for the same reasons you would honor your anniversary, or your wife's, or your parent's or your children's birthday. It's a day that is special to them, so you honor it.

If you poopoo the Sabbath day away, it's hard to say you love God since the simplest part of the claim, we ignore.

Someone is gonna feel smart and start asking me if I eat bacon, or sacrifice animals, and I'm going to ignore them for not reading the post before they knee jerked. All the laws, regarding the Sabbath, are a different chat than the declaration of God, and the Commandment in the Decalogue.

Part of the Sabbath Day command is that we work 6 days. Do you go to work 8 hours on Sunday? Does your church stone people who don't go on Saturday? Do you stone people within your family or church that does any form of work on Saturday?

 

[squint]

So I can murder you, for this post and it's not a sin?

(for legal reasons, that was not a threat, but a hyperbolic example.)

The Law is much more complex than looking at it from an external action only perspective.

Paul in Romans 7 shows us that where the law against coveting came to him it prompted the sin he factually carried to cause every manner of concupiscence to enter his mind.

Jesus said that evil thoughts defile us.

Jesus said the mere thought of adultery is in fact adultery in heart.

At some point, an honest look at the LAW will produce an HONEST FACT that the sin we carry does NOT evaporate or disappear by putting on the dog and pony show on the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP.

and we come to the likewise unchangeable fact that we are SINNERS.

Wow. Big revelation there huh?

Now, tell me again how the law saying do not murder NEVER makes anyone think of MURDER in their hearts?

lol

Take any other law and run the same mental exercise and any honest person, even an UNbeliever, could come to the conclusion that YES, they do THINK about what they should not do, and do so in response to the command NOT TO do it.

That is how we are all put together.

So, some people end up being honest about it, and the others turn into phony religious hypocrites.

so what else is new?

How legally obedient is that person sitting in the pew on Saturday Sabbath?

Thanks for the humor.

Some people are going to arrive at an honest conclusion and the hypocrite will continue to be hardened within as a self righteous self justifying hater of other people who don't do like he does.

it's all quite predictable...according to the WORD.

The fact is that the LAW has only one intention, to make sin utterly sinful until it's adverse presence can be no longer denied.

and at that point Grace and Mercy seem to take a much more solid hold within, just on the basis of HONESTY.

because we see our FACTUAL INNER NEED of same.

And there, a TRUE BELIEVER is a living acting representative of what they factually carry within.

and to those, they are my brothers and sisters in FAITH.

May Jesus Christ our Lord reign in the hearts of ALL.

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[from scratch]

So I can murder you, for this post and it's not a sin?

(for legal reasons, that was not a threat, but a hyperbolic example.)

Sorry to inform you the Ten Commandments didn't create sin.

 

[TannarDarr]

Part of the Sabbath Day command is that we work 6 days. Do you go to work 8 hours on Sunday? Does your church stone people who don't go on Saturday? Do you stone people within your family or church that does any form of work on Saturday?

Just as I said. I even warned you. I TOLD YOU WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO DO, and you did it anyway. You must be THIS TALL to ride this ride.

You have confused the laws and Decalogue. Please don't divert the conversation to a separate issue, and present the strawman position of they are the same.

 

[TannarDarr]

Sorry to inform you the Ten Commandments didn't create sin.

I never said they did.

Poor pixels.

 

[from scratch]

If the sabbath was binding to Jews only, then why was it sanctified and hallowed at creation? The sabbath has always been about the Creator and His relationship with this planet's creation and every living thing in it. God did not say "Thou shalt not kill" just so Jews wouldn't murder eachother, but it's totally ok for us gentiles. Jesus did not die on the cross so that we could have free license to commit crimes against God and fellow man. Paul the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES in the NEW TESTAMENT says "what then, do we make void the law?? God forbid! Yea we ESTABLISH THE LAW". Of course he is referencing God's moral law (10 commandments), versus Moses' ceremonial law which was indeed completed at the cross.

It wasn't sanctified at creation. This is a fabrication of your church. And so is the rest of your babble. The Bible no where divides the law. Moses didn't make up the ceremonial aspect of the law as your church promotes. All speakers and writers refer on to the law in the New Testament. The law is undivided single unit as James says in chapter 2.

 

[from scratch]

Part of the Sabbath Day command is that we work 6 days. Do you go to work 8 hours on Sunday? Does your church stone people who don't go on Saturday? Do you stone people within your family or church that does any form of work on Saturday?

Of course they don't. They even demand others work for them on the Sabbath. How's that for keeping the 4th?

 

[TannarDarr]

The Law is much more complex than looking at it from an external action only perspective.

Until you show me you understood what I said, I'm not leaning to looking to you for complexities. Nuttin personal.

Paul in Romans 7 shows us that where the law against coveting came to him it prompted the sin he factually carried to cause every manner of concupiscence to enter his mind.

The law was also for the Jews. It had a specific reason. paul talks about this elsewhere. Unless you are a jew, be careful where you make up the complexities I'm not capable of grasping.

Jesus said that evil thoughts defile us.

Jesus said the mere thought of adultery is in fact adultery in heart.

At some point, an honest look at the LAW will produce an HONEST FACT that the sin we carry does NOT evaporate or disappear by putting on the dog and pony show on the OUTSIDE OF THE CUP.

Christ's Church is of the order of Melchizedek's. NOT of LEVI's. NOR AARON'S. There wasn't a Jew alive in the time of Mel's priesthood in the OT. So if you try to impose the levitical laws on Christ's priesthood, you can't tell me I'm the one missing the point.

and we come to the likewise unchangeable fact that we are SINNERS.

Wow. Big revelation there huh?

It might impress you. It has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Now, tell me again how the law saying do not murder NEVER makes anyone think of MURDER in their hearts?

The COMMANDMENTS are not the law was the point. This was all a waste of space. I didn't say anything about the law and murder. tyvm.

lol

I won't laugh at you, I think it's a sad state of reading comprehension.

The fact is that the LAW has only one intention, to make sin utterly sinful until it's adverse presence can be no longer denied.

WELL that's a proclamation that picks one verse and ignores about 15 others.

Thank you for assuming I'm incapable of comprehension and that you were sent to save my soul and my ignorance.

Now if you'd kindly reply to what actually pertains to my post and what I said, I'd be appreciative.

If everyone is going to be like this, presumptive and condescending, I'm going to have an adventure.