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I was raised a Christian in the United Methodist Church. My religion became very important to me as a young child and teenager. I was very active in my church, prayed daily, and talked with others about my faith. I believed I was "saved."

I was wrong. I was not "saved" nor am I now. I started to have doubts later on, but brushed these doubts aside at first. Though, as a young adult, I see know that I became less religious, stopped praying as much as I did, not attending church regularly ( I would sometimes go through long periods without going and sometimes I would go regularly in spurts).

As a married thirty-something and adult I had become more and more drawn to Christianity and the church, especially now that we are starting to plan our family.

I notice how our culture is becoming more decadent. And with it, society is becoming less religious and less Christian. As Christians, I am sure you are very aware of this. It concerned me, and still does, very much. It's really sad. But the saddest thing of all is watching Christianity becoming like the culture around it. Instead of Christianity changing the world, the world is changing Christianity.

These things made me doubt my faith again, and I had a new more mature look at what I believed, studying theology and reflecting on a broad range of issues. I refused to brush away doubts. I needed to be firm in my faith and be really serious this time.

Mostly after reading this "sermon" (google "Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop
Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop") I decided that I should be either a Southern Baptist or a Roman Catholic (I know, in many ways they are polar opposites). I came to that decision because I sincerely questioned what was true, not what felt right to me or what I seemed to just prefer. I wanted to do what was right. But by that time I had already joined a Southern Baptist congregation and was happy.

I never stopped, however, my inquiry into whether what I professed to believe is true. I kept an open mind, all the while really wanting to believe in Jesus. At one point I really wanted to even become Roman Catholic.

I stopped wanting to believe in Jesus when I discovered that both the SBC and the RCC took up a political stand (not theological) that I found I could not in good conscience support. The political issue is immigration. Both churches are supporting the replacement of this countries founding stock, massive third world immigration, and the non-enforcement of immigration law.

It has been devastating for me. On one hand, it doesn't seem right that I should abandon my faith because of political decisions of the churches, one that I believe is partly (or mostly) due to self-serving interests. But this was enough to disillusion me. The churches and Christianity as a whole, who I looked up to and so desperately wanted to believe in, are enemies with me and Western civilization as a whole. This was what made me finally admit to myself that this was a sham. I can no longer justify the leap of faith that I so eagerly wanted to do. I am now an atheist.
 

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I think you are mixing up Gods desires with mans inventions. God wants relationship with you alone and he wants you to experience spiritual things that will encourage you to believe. Maybe its time to make it raw and leave the denominations at the door with their guilt and traditions. try Just you and God as if nothing else exists. Ask for revelation and ask for a spiritual movement in you that proves he is there. Dont worry about what anyone else is doing. Everyone else is just as messed up as anyone else. Don't look to us for examples. We all struggle like you do.

If you want to find God be alone with him as though nothing else exists. I have faith in the church.. That it will not be blameless or satisfy my need to find God in a real way all the time. It will have its moments but the seeking and finding happens on the days between sundays at home alone. :)
 
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Hello, thanks for sharing your story.

I, too feel disheartened when churches become fixated on politics or otherwise cause disillusion by misplacing priorities. However, I think it is important to remember that churches are not full of perfect saints, but normal people who experience brokenness (including church leaders) & sometimes use poor judgment in making political statements or otherwise say or do unwise things. Sure, there are some straight up wrong , crazy churches out there & it is unfortunate, but most churches are gatherings of believers who, though imperfect, seek to follow Jesus & grow in faith together.

It's okay to experience doubt & ask questions - for me as a Christian who also is a skeptic, I have certainly had my days of doubt. Whenever I had a question in my earlier days of being a Christian, I would let doubt eat at me & it eventually destroyed my faith. What brought me back was A) realizing there were reasons to believe & answers for many of my questions & B) who Jesus is & what He offers to everyone.

I do understand where you are coming from. I would encourage you not to give up. :)
 
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I think you are mixing up Gods desires with mans inventions. God wants relationship with you alone and he wants you to experience spiritual things that will encourage you to believe. Maybe its time to make it raw and leave the denominations at the door with their guilt and traditions. try Just you and God as if nothing else exists. Ask for revelation and ask for a spiritual movement in you that proves he is there. Dont worry about what anyone else is doing. Everyone else is just as messed up as anyone else. Don't look to us for examples. We all struggle like you do.

If you want to find God be alone with him as though nothing else exists. I have faith in the church.. That it will not be blameless or satisfy my need to find God in a real way all the time. It will have its moments but the seeking and finding happens on the days between sundays at home alone. :)

Thanks. I have already been there and done that with asking for revelation and spiritual movement. I wanted it so bad.
 
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Hello, thanks for sharing your story.

I, too feel disheartened when churches become fixated on politics or otherwise cause disillusion by misplacing priorities. However, I think it is important to remember that churches are not full of perfect saints, but normal people who experience brokenness (including church leaders) & sometimes use poor judgment in making political statements or otherwise say or do unwise things. Sure, there are some straight up wrong , crazy churches out there & it is unfortunate, but most churches are gatherings of believers who, though imperfect, seek to follow Jesus & grow in faith together.

It's okay to experience doubt & ask questions - for me as a Christian who also is a skeptic, I have certainly had my days of doubt. Whenever I had a question in my earlier days of being a Christian, I would let doubt eat at me & it eventually destroyed my faith. What brought me back was A) realizing there were reasons to believe & answers for many of my questions & B) who Jesus is & what He offers to everyone.

I do understand where you are coming from. I would encourage you not to give up. :)

Thank you. I did not expect people to react this way. I figured they would jump on me an call me evil or something like that. This hasn't been easy for me. It's been very depressing.
 
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Thanks. I have already been there and done that with asking for revelation and spiritual movement. I wanted it so bad.
You wont get it every day but if you make yourself available it might come. If you don't it never may. unrepentant sin on our part usually is the obstacle blocking it.
 
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Martin, it sounds to me like you were a sincere disciple trying to follow the teachings of Jesus and God's standards, but never "born again" (see John 3). To be saved one must go further and have the Lord Jesus dwelling in one's heart (note 1 Jn. 5:10-12) --like making Him your best Friend, beside Savior and Lord of your life. I hope you will soon receive Him, for God is never tired of waiting for us, but will one day close the door for all mankind. Look up always!
 
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Martin,

Bless you. And welcome to CF!

I'm sorry to hear that a church people let you down. I've also been hurt by people in churches. I think if we were all honest, we'd have to say all of us have in some way shape or form. The people are not perfect. Only Jesus Christ is flawless. And we can't hang all our faith in people, and not even church people. So I would encourage you to get your eyes off of people and to look to Jesus Christ who alone is the author and finisher of our faith. The reason I'm sharing faith with you is because there is a reason you are here in a Christian forum.

Bless you on your journey!
 
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Martin,

Bless you. And welcome to CF!

I'm sorry to hear that a church people let you down. I've also been hurt by people in churches. I think if we were all honest, we'd have to say all of us have in some way shape or form. The people are not perfect. Only Jesus Christ is flawless. And we can't hang all our faith in people, and not even church people. So I would encourage you to get your eyes off of people and to look to Jesus Christ who alone is the author and finisher of our faith. The reason I'm sharing faith with you is because there is a reason you are here in a Christian forum.

Bless you on your journey!
i think we should be as critical of a church as though we were running it ourselves with all our flaws and inability to be perfect or a model example to others.
 
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:) Sorry but the Christianity is much wider then just Western civilization. As far as you see we can communicate with each other and get what our problems are and how to solve those. Political issues were part of civilization for a long time. But as you could read Bible you could get that Jesus Christ stayed abide politics even if he could become the King of the world in our usual meaning and what He was offered. But He refused and gave His preference to spiritual aspect of our life. And that is also one of the points why should we be appreciated to Him. When and why was described in Bible though guess you can find it there if you want.

So I consider your position quite groundless and non-reasonable.

God bless and let the Lord save you...
 
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I was raised a Christian in the United Methodist Church. My religion became very important to me as a young child and teenager. I was very active in my church, prayed daily, and talked with others about my faith. I believed I was "saved."

I was wrong. I was not "saved" nor am I now. I started to have doubts later on, but brushed these doubts aside at first. Though, as a young adult, I see know that I became less religious, stopped praying as much as I did, not attending church regularly ( I would sometimes go through long periods without going and sometimes I would go regularly in spurts).

As a married thirty-something and adult I had become more and more drawn to Christianity and the church, especially now that we are starting to plan our family.

I notice how our culture is becoming more decadent. And with it, society is becoming less religious and less Christian. As Christians, I am sure you are very aware of this. It concerned me, and still does, very much. It's really sad. But the saddest thing of all is watching Christianity becoming like the culture around it. Instead of Christianity changing the world, the world is changing Christianity.

These things made me doubt my faith again, and I had a new more mature look at what I believed, studying theology and reflecting on a broad range of issues. I refused to brush away doubts. I needed to be firm in my faith and be really serious this time.

Mostly after reading this "sermon" (google "Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop
Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop") I decided that I should be either a Southern Baptist or a Roman Catholic (I know, in many ways they are polar opposites). I came to that decision because I sincerely questioned what was true, not what felt right to me or what I seemed to just prefer. I wanted to do what was right. But by that time I had already joined a Southern Baptist congregation and was happy.

I never stopped, however, my inquiry into whether what I professed to believe is true. I kept an open mind, all the while really wanting to believe in Jesus. At one point I really wanted to even become Roman Catholic.

I stopped wanting to believe in Jesus when I discovered that both the SBC and the RCC took up a political stand (not theological) that I found I could not in good conscience support. The political issue is immigration. Both churches are supporting the replacement of this countries founding stock, massive third world immigration, and the non-enforcement of immigration law.

It has been devastating for me. On one hand, it doesn't seem right that I should abandon my faith because of political decisions of the churches, one that I believe is partly (or mostly) due to self-serving interests. But this was enough to disillusion me. The churches and Christianity as a whole, who I looked up to and so desperately wanted to believe in, are enemies with me and Western civilization as a whole. This was what made me finally admit to myself that this was a sham. I can no longer justify the leap of faith that I so eagerly wanted to do. I am now an atheist.

My hope is that your testimony reflects challenges in your walk of faith rather than the end of it. I know it sounds cliche, but Christianity is about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. In short, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 
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Martin, it sounds to me like you were a sincere disciple trying to follow the teachings of Jesus and God's standards, but never "born again" (see John 3). To be saved one must go further and have the Lord Jesus dwelling in one's heart (note 1 Jn. 5:10-12) --like making Him your best Friend, beside Savior and Lord of your life. I hope you will soon receive Him, for God is never tired of waiting for us, but will one day close the door for all mankind. Look up always!

I got your private message but it would not let me respond. Thanks, and I just want to say that I still remain a seeker and I do not think that is going to change any time soon.
 
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I was raised a Christian in the United Methodist Church. My religion became very important to me as a young child and teenager. I was very active in my church, prayed daily, and talked with others about my faith. I believed I was "saved."

I was wrong. I was not "saved" nor am I now. I started to have doubts later on, but brushed these doubts aside at first. Though, as a young adult, I see know that I became less religious, stopped praying as much as I did, not attending church regularly ( I would sometimes go through long periods without going and sometimes I would go regularly in spurts).

As a married thirty-something and adult I had become more and more drawn to Christianity and the church, especially now that we are starting to plan our family.

I notice how our culture is becoming more decadent. And with it, society is becoming less religious and less Christian. As Christians, I am sure you are very aware of this. It concerned me, and still does, very much. It's really sad. But the saddest thing of all is watching Christianity becoming like the culture around it. Instead of Christianity changing the world, the world is changing Christianity.

These things made me doubt my faith again, and I had a new more mature look at what I believed, studying theology and reflecting on a broad range of issues. I refused to brush away doubts. I needed to be firm in my faith and be really serious this time.

Mostly after reading this "sermon" (google "Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop
Diversity, not Jesus, saves says Presiding Bishop") I decided that I should be either a Southern Baptist or a Roman Catholic (I know, in many ways they are polar opposites). I came to that decision because I sincerely questioned what was true, not what felt right to me or what I seemed to just prefer. I wanted to do what was right. But by that time I had already joined a Southern Baptist congregation and was happy.

I never stopped, however, my inquiry into whether what I professed to believe is true. I kept an open mind, all the while really wanting to believe in Jesus. At one point I really wanted to even become Roman Catholic.

I stopped wanting to believe in Jesus when I discovered that both the SBC and the RCC took up a political stand (not theological) that I found I could not in good conscience support. The political issue is immigration. Both churches are supporting the replacement of this countries founding stock, massive third world immigration, and the non-enforcement of immigration law.

It has been devastating for me. On one hand, it doesn't seem right that I should abandon my faith because of political decisions of the churches, one that I believe is partly (or mostly) due to self-serving interests. But this was enough to disillusion me. The churches and Christianity as a whole, who I looked up to and so desperately wanted to believe in, are enemies with me and Western civilization as a whole. This was what made me finally admit to myself that this was a sham. I can no longer justify the leap of faith that I so eagerly wanted to do. I am now an atheist.


Hi Martin, We must remember that Christ did not say " follow my followers but follow Me." Now the apostle Paul did say, imitate me but we have to see the faithfulness of Paul as to the reason why he said this. The churches have become worldly and Christ warned us not to be part of this world. I do see how the church has become political but we have to ask the questions, why? The church cannot remain silent when abortions are encouraged even full term, we have homosexuals parading with pride instead of shame and repentance and we have churches who are being conformed to this world. We have to take a stand and stand for righteousness. I do not know how often you read the Bible. I would suggest you set a time alone and read it. Study it. There also are Christian radio stations. I listen to, American family radio, AFR. You will see soon the spiritual battle we are in. Christ said, " because lawlessness will abound the love of many will grow cold. Mathew 24:12. Seems this is happening to you. Do not let this happen. Be bold in your faith. There are many liberal churches out there and they are growing. They claim their beliefs and open mindedness it out of love. This is not love! I love the scripture in Galatians 5: 16- 26. I suggest you read this. As it reads in 1 Timothy 6:12 " fight the good fight of faith" You belong to God. Don't let this world get you down. He sent you to his forum for a reason. I want to welcome you here. There are some interesting topics here but there are also disagreements. There may be a few here and you will soon know who they are who want to cause division. I suggest you take the good and throw the bad away. You are to be the light of the world, the salt. Let you light so shine. Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the fruit of the Spirit. We are in a spiritual battle. Take up the whole armor of God. Ephesians 6:13. You may have to shop around for a faith based church. I currently go to a Baptist church but I formerly went to a Methodist. You can join a Bible study group and even share your concerns. Hopefully you will get encouragement. Don't give up. We are more than conquerors through Christ!:thumbsup:
 
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Hi Martin, you and I share a couple names :)

Welcome to CF...hope to see you make your way back to God...

You're not alone my friend...doubts had plagued me many times in my walk...and I've had bad experiences with church...in fact, after 17 yrs at the same church, I was kicked out...why? I am a guy with long hair, earrings and tattoos...that was Pastor's hangup not mine...
But it had to happen and it helped move me in the direction I needed to go and I'm happy for it...

God and politics, nah....just God...God...politics is a man made thing and has no room in my relationship with our Father...

Stick around CF friend...wonderful place and we'd love to see ya around...
 
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Thank you. I did not expect people to react this way. I figured they would jump on me an call me evil or something like that. This hasn't been easy for me. It's been very depressing.

I understand. :)

If you stick around the website, you will likely encounter diverse Christian theologies & opinions - belief in eternal security/OSAS vs no security/free will, opposition to gay marriage/ordination/inclusion in the church vs support for those things...really, I could go on. Some discussions can get heated, depending on how passionate one is about the subject at hand. I would encourage you not to become overwhelmed by differences you may come across. Christians are united by their belief & trust in Jesus Christ.
 
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