Why Is Mr Obama In The President's Office?

[Hetta]

Oboma is in office because idiots voted for him. God allowed it to wake people up.
People do need to be spanked, but most are simply coddled and kept into bondage.
If anyone has confounded the language, just watch Oboma he lies his way out of a paper bag and people still can't see where he is coming from. He is destroying this country. These people need a good spanking, not coddling.

You want to watch your language. You just called a whole bunches of people here "idiots" and that is flaming according to this forum's rules.

Who are "these people"?

 

[Hetta]

What?

Obama is the POTUS because he was elected. I believe there are four primary reasons for this:
1) He was fairly charismatic and likable during his first campaign.
2) People were enamored of the fact that they could be part of a historical first and elect the first black POTUS.
3) People didn't check out Obama's deplorable Senate voting record.
4) People wanted to dodge the bullet that was John McCain. (I can't fault them for that.)

It has what all to do with 'God lowering the boom'.

None of the above for me. I actually liked and still like and respect John McCain, I just think he's in the wrong party. However, I didn't think he would make a good president and also I wouldn't vote for a Republican no matter what.

 

[louise sheinholtz]

You want to watch your language. You just called a whole bunches of people here "idiots" and that is flaming according to this forum's rules.

Who are "these people"?

What a beautiful smile you have.
As far as what other people think, the truth is still the truth and if this is a Christian forum it should not bother anyone. All they need to do is pray about voting for a man who is ruining this country, making it a third world country.

 

[Hetta]

What a beautiful smile you have.
As far as what other people think, the truth is still the truth and if this is a Christian forum it should not bother anyone. All they need to do is pray about voting for a man who is ruining this country, making it a third world country.

You may call it "truth" but it is called flaming.

Who are "these people".

 

[Yarddog]

Oboma is in office because idiots voted for him.

Idiots don't know how to spell "OBAMA".

 

[Ludicrus]

Hi RDGSr,

I suppose a reluctant acceptance is almost as good as any other, but yes, I believe that God does ask those who are His to be respectful of those in authority over them and playing some pride card that makes you refuse to honor the sitting President as President, whether or not you are in agreement with his plans or agenda, doesn't really play into the equation.

I can be in disagreement with something that someone does, but I still owe them the respect that they deserve.

Now, if you'd like to discuss the issues with which you are struggling with on a case by case basis, I'll be happy to do that. However, let me just interject my feelings about the current crisis.

The legislature of the United States of America fairly voted to approve the Healthcare act. No, it is not properly labeled Obamacare. That is a term that sore losers use to denigrate the President as if he alone put this all together. Friend, President Obama merely asked for a revamping of our healthcare system and the end result of what became the law of the land as regards this issue was not his doing. Points were debated and hammered out and aired in the public arena and finally after much, much of this kind of discussion a bill was cobbled together that the then sitting legislatures held a vote on and it was passed in the form that it was in at the time.

Now, because the guys that lost are crybabies, they are holding our entire nation hostage to try to force the minority (according to the tally of votes in both the Congress and the legislature) to succumb to their way that they think things ought to be. This sets a very, very dangerous precedent. Our government is set up so that the laws are given fair debate and then voted on and whoever ultimately wins the vote... wins the vote. Is some small band of disenfranchised politicians going to cast the nation into turmoil if they don't get their way on abortion the next time some issue regarding abortion comes to a vote? Are these same people who are unable to accept the rules by which they swore to uphold and obey going to throw us into financial instability now over raising the debt ceiling just because they didn't get their way on some other measure?

What about next year and the next and the next. Is it now acceptable political maneuvering to work to destroy the very fabric of our nation and the millions of people who depend on the business of our government because, like crybabies, they refuse to just accept that those who we have chosen to vote for us in their positions as legislators didn't give them what they want. They are acting like little children. Petulant and throwing tantrums because they didn't get their way.

There are ways to change the new healthcare laws. A bill is introduced and it is voted on. If it can garner the necessary votes, then the changes will be made. If not, then they won't! What we all need to understand is that our government is established under reasonably basic principles of majority rules through our individual or representative vote. President Obama, whether you like the man or not, was legally voted into office as our President not once but twice. How many people can be dissatisfied with him as our President that he was able to garner the popular vote twice??????? The people have spoken.

Our legislators should throw all this effort to shut down our government aside. If they want to see whether or not the majority of the voting body wants to change the healthcare law, then they can do that through the same process that all the other changes come about. They introduce a bill and they call for a vote.

I repeat, this act of petulance and rebellion against the very system that they swore to uphold is what isn't right. This minority band of law makers are not following their own rules and it sets a very, very dangerous precedent for future governing in our nation.

Did you see the news last night? One of the lawmakers that stands with shutting down the government dressed down a civil servant of the parks department and told him that it was the civil servant's fault and an abuse of his job to shut people out from touring some of the sites in Washington DC. This man knew that that is exactly what he would cause by taking the position that he did with his voting in the legislature. The man is unconscionable in his redress of the poor civil servant that was just doing his job. That lawmaker is literally ill of mind to do such a thing. He has the power to let people visit the sites in Washington DC. All he has to do is go back to his workplace and tell those who, like him, think that holding up the government is some way to make meaningful change to the healthcare law and say, "Look boys, this ain't the way it's supposed to work."

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

Your assumption is that just because God either allowed someone seen as being evil, or ordained someone who was evil to rule, either by vote, fraud or usurpation, that we are to honor that position?

I heartily disagree. And it is nothing about pride at all.

Should the Jews have honored Hitler? How about Mussolini? "Wishful thinking, megalomania, and Fascist ideology gradually overwhelmed Mussolini's common sense." He was insane too. Should they have sucked up to him just because of his position?

I don't think so. It has nothing to do with pride. It has to do with conviction of right and wrong.

How about the Pope that killed all of those Christians? Should they have bowed down and kissed his ring? They would have had to deny Christ to do it.

 

[miamited]

Your assumption is that just because God either allowed someone seen as being evil, or ordained someone who was evil to rule, either by vote, fraud or usurpation, that we are to honor that position?

I heartily disagree. And it is nothing about pride at all.

Should the Jews have honored Hitler? How about Mussolini? "Wishful thinking, megalomania, and Fascist ideology gradually overwhelmed Mussolini's common sense." He was insane too. Should they have sucked up to him just because of his position?

I don't think so. It has nothing to do with pride. It has to do with conviction of right and wrong.

How about the Pope that killed all of those Christians? Should they have bowed down and kissed his ring? They would have had to deny Christ to do it.

Hi ludicrous,

I'm just repeating what the Scriptures say. If you have an argument with that you'll have to take it up with the Author. God's word doesn't make any exceptions when it gives this command to us as regards the 'kind' of people who are in authority over us.

Further, this issue with President Obama is not in any way shape or form a fair comparison to the likes of Mussolini or Hitler. Quite frankly, if we look back over all the presidencies that have led our country, President Obama doesn't stand as this terrible government of the Antichrist that so many are wont to claim.

Finally, no, you haven't taken the lesson of Daniel to heart. Daniel never bowed down to the statue of Nebedchudnezzer. He was able to honor God, but in doing so, also honoring the authority of the king's rightful place.

You are, of course, free to disagree with me. Many do. But as regards this issue of showing respect for those in authority over us, you aren't disagreeing with me, but with God.

As I gave example, Paul lived under one of the most vile governments of that day, but as a born again believer you won't find that he spent a lot time working up the people in some cauldron of hate and anger towards their government.

Yes, it is pride that won't allow us to merely accept who we are and understand that no matter who's sitting in the chair at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. our commander in chief is our God and He has asked us, as ambassadors of His Son to be respectful in our demeanor towards others, whether neighbor or king, in our dealings with them.

I honestly just don't understand this thinking that some healthcare law is the working of an evil man to destroy our nation. You want to pillory those who have worked to destroy our nation, then let's talk about who was in office when the welfare state was created for individuals and not also providing those people with a way out of that place rather than fostering a whole generation of families that now live on it.

Don't you guys get it? President Obama is not evil and just for the record I didn't vote for him. But he is a man who was duly elected (twice) to run our nation and I believe that the interest of his heart is that he wants to do what he honestly sees and understands as the right thing for the people over which he governs. He is not some wicked evil antichrist. He is not some Mussolini or Hitler or Idi Amin. He is just the President of the United States and I believe his highest agenda is to do what he thinks is right by 'we the people'. The common man has long been crying for some sort of help against rising medical costs and he went in and did what he thought best to answer our complaint. Is it going to turn out to ultimately give the help that he is hoping that it will be? Well, in time, just like with welfare, we'll find out.

Some have called all those who voted for him 'idiots'. I don't. I think that they are people who saw promise in a leader and from all the polls that I've seen, still do.

I must say that your pulling in to play all these truly wicked men to draw some comparison between their roles and the role of President Obama is really the idiocy. Those examples you gave are just light years away from being any fair comparison to what our President has done and what our response to his presidency should be.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[louise sheinholtz]

It was no error. He is an abomination if you get my drift.

 

[Hetta]

Who are "these people?"

Calling Obama the antichrist is sad. Just really sad. I guess you must be God and be able to know all hearts, souls and minds.

*SMH*

 

[louise sheinholtz]

Who said he was the antichrist, I said I spell his name that way because it almost spells out as an abomination. I am no a biblical trained person so I never have used the name of antichrist. Nothing sad about it.
Nothing worst than having a president who lies constantly , that is an abomination of sorts in this country.

PS, before you use a word you should know what it means.

Definition of abomination (n)

Bing Dictionary

• a·bom·i·na·tion
• [ ə bòmmi náysh'n ]
• 
  

1. something horrible: an object of intense disapproval or dislike
2. something shameful: something that is immoral, disgusting, or shameful
3. intense dislike: a feeling of intense dislike or disapproval toward somebody or something

 

[stellalunaCW]

Funny, I always thought the GOP intended to throw the race, so they added Palin to the ticket.

At any rate, I agree with all of the above reasons. As an elected official of our great nation, President Obama deserves our respect and prayer--not our best efforts to tear him down. If this isn't the hardest job in the world, I can't imagine what is. I sincerely hope his children never watch television, read newspapers, or go online.

 

[louise sheinholtz]

I will never respect a liar who is destroying this country and I know God hates liars.
I have news for you, no one can be torn down by another if they are a Christian.
He is destroying himself.

 

[stellalunaCW]

Planks and specks...

I think all of our presidents have had the best intentions and done the best they could. I will continue to believe that.

 

[miamited]

Hi ludicrous and RDGSr,

I hope you will give careful consideration to what stella has written.

President Obama is a man. He has taken on the responsibility of running this nation and I, like stella, can't possibly imagine what drives a man to do such a thankless, hard job that robs a father of his family for most of the time that he is in that position. But men do.

You guys vilify and demonize the person who stands as the President of your nation out of complete and utter ignorance. You make arguments that liken the man to Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini and the like. You make disparaging remarks as regards his character and his intentions. Did you ever stop and ask yourself what Jesus' command to those who would follow after him meant when he said that we are to treat others as we ourselves would like to be treated?


This fiery anger and hatred towards a man, just a man, who I, and many others believe is doing the best that he thinks to do in fulfilling the capacity of his job, is not becoming of anyone who then turns and pounds on their chest and says, "Why, I'm a child of the living God!" No, no you aren't. You are people spreading false lies, rumor and hateful speech about another. There is nowhere in the Scriptures that we find a description of people like you in the kingdom of God.

Go ahead. Fill your head and your heart with anger over nothing. NOTHING! Go ahead! Villify the man and disparage his work, but I'm willing to wager that there won't be any crowns waiting for you in heaven for that work.

President Obama is a man. He has a lovely wife and two sweet children and they don't deserve to have to listen to ignorant men and women vilify and disparage their husband and father for doing the job that he was elected to do. I'm going to encourage you to get down on your knees and ask God if He sees you as doing His work in what you are doing.

It's not Obamacare, it's the Affordable Care Act and just like every large piece of legislation that has ever passed in this country there are people on both sides of the fence, but that's why we have a legislature. It's their job to weigh and measure and decide on what we will do as a nation. I say let's live by the government standard that we set ourselves to live by. President Obama was voted in by a fair and free election and so too, was the Affordable Care Act voted on and given passage by a majority vote of those whose job it is to vote on such things.

Now, sit down and shut-up. If you want to change some law or some aspect of a law there is a right and proper way to do that and it is not to go stomping around like a kid who didn't get his fair share of the candy bar. You introduce a bill and have that bill weighed and discussed and voted on. That's how it's done and to protect the future integrity of our system that's the way our elected officials should handle this issue. I'm warning everyone right now, this idea that the losers can then go and throw tantrums to get their way is a very, very bad precedent. Pretty soon all of our lawmakers will be throwing tantrums to get their way. Especially if it works.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[louise sheinholtz]

If you believe it is right for a president to fund abortions among other things, that is your belief, not mine..

 

[louise sheinholtz]

You are welcome to your angry opinion.
I don't believe a president should bow to leaders of foreign countries like Oboma has done , I respect the American strong presidents like Reagan who the nation respected for his strength..
Thank God for making me a Republican, we have decent natures and common sense we don't believe in killing the unborn by taking tax money that we work for to pay to fund abortions.
Oh God, please help this man.

 

[kellhus]

If you believe it is right for a president to fund abortions among other things, that is your belief, not mine..

I don't believe President Obama is personally funding anyones' abortions, but if he did, I don't really see any problem with that.

 

[miamited]

Hi louise,

Look you obviously don't have a clue how our political process works. President Obama doesn't fund anything. He doesn't make laws. He doesn't write checks and he doesn't pay the bills. Your anger should be directed to the people who are responsible for your malaise and that is the legislative branch of our government. They are the ones that approve of and make the laws. For most of them, the President just adds his signature. For some he doesn't, but in either case if there is a move to fund abortions it is not being pushed by President Obama.

Yes, he does have to pick his battles and when the legislative branch sends him laws for his signature and he doesn't think it worthwhile to fight against certain provisions that might be included in them, it isn't him that's giving the approval. That is the legislative branch that sent him the law in the first place.

You really should take a course in political science so that you have a clue what you are talking about. You're just a woman filled with anger and hate and that is as it is. Based on purely unfounded reasons which only you and those like you understand.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[louise sheinholtz]

A good Christian would see something wrong with it.

 

[kellhus]

A good Christian would see something wrong with it.

A good Christian would see nothing wrong with it.