New Creationist theory on how life spread out after the flood.

[lasthero]

What do you think a vestigial organ is?

 

[nuttypiglet]

I know exactly what a vestigial organ is, which is WHY I explained that the appendix is not one. We don't have any. You are following text books which are years out of date. Next you'll be telling me that we have a tail bone.

 

[CabVet]

the scientists representing evolution are dishonest. They don't admit how weak the fossil record is for evidence. They don't admit how weak genomes are to proving evolution and they still bleat on about how we have vestiges.

No, but I will tell you what is dishonest. That statement. You can say that you don't believe in evolution all you want, but saying that the fossil record and genetics don't support evolution is simply a lie.

 

[nuttypiglet]

No, but I will tell you what is dishonest. That statement. You can say that you don't believe in evolution all you want, but saying that the fossil record and genetics don't support evolution is simply a lie.

Then put your evidence where your mouth is. Show me a complete transitional record in fossil form from a single cell to modern man

 

[lasthero]

I know exactly what a vestigial organ is, which is WHY I explained that the appendix is not one. We don't have any. You are following text books which are years out of date. Next you'll be telling me that we have a tail bone.

You haven't explained anything.

Please - define 'vestigial organ'. Just a simple definition, in your own words.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then put your evidence where your mouth is. Show me a complete transitional record in fossil form from a single cell to modern man

That is an unreasonable request.

It would be similar to a skeptic asking a Christian to see someone get nailed to a cross and come back to life.

We don't need a compete record. All that we do need is that all fossils found to fit into the paradigm set up by the theory of evolution.

Once again, your side has no explanation for the fossil record that is not quickly debunked.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The fossil record has been up and down like a yoyo, showing complete transitions of life forms, but then removed as proved wrong.
DNA shows exactly what anyone with the slightest amount of common sense would expect. You look at a chimp next to a human and you would expect the DNA to be very similar. If you look at a slug against a human, you would expect different results. It's called common code for common traits.
The appendix is what? don't make me laugh. This was rebuked years ago and it has been shown that the appendix has a specific purpose. It is not and was not a part of digesting vegetation when we were supposed to be rabbit like.

What do you mean? There have been no major contradictions. Ever.

Why would you expect a chimp to look like a man unless he was related to man? There are many examples of convergent evolution where two very similar looking animals do not share as much DNA as chimps and humans do. Yet we do see that closely related animals share a lot of DNA We don't share quite enough with Chimps for us to breed, that process is called speciation and has been observed several times.

And your rebuke of the appendix merely shows you that you don't know what a vestigial organ is. There are others that are even more obvious. The claws on the wings of an emu are one. If you need more I can give more.

You need to do more than just deny to prove your claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know exactly what a vestigial organ is, which is WHY I explained that the appendix is not one. We don't have any. You are following text books which are years out of date. Next you'll be telling me that we have a tail bone.

Thanks for admitting that you don't know what a vestigial organ is.

The appendix is a vestigial organ. The tail bone is a vestigial tail. People sometimes grow actual tails, and they are not mere scraps of skin.

Here is a simple article on vestigiality. If you read it you will understand better:

Human vestigiality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have been listening to lying sources again. The fact that the appendix still has a use does not mean it is not a vestigial organ. It no longer performs its original function, that makes it vestigial.

 

[lasthero]

That is an unreasonable request.

It would be similar to a skeptic asking a Christian to see someone get nailed to a cross and come back to life.


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It's honestly even worse. No matter how many fossils we find, we can never know if we've found. You can't know you have a complete collection of something without first knowing how many items would make that collection.

Never mind that certain organism rarely, if ever, fossilize.

 

[nuttypiglet]

Thanks for admitting that you don't know what a vestigial organ is.

The appendix is a vestigial organ. The tail bone is a vestigial tail. People sometimes grow actual tails, and they are not mere scraps of skin.

Here is a simple article on vestigiality. If you read it you will understand better:

Human vestigiality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have been listening to lying sources again. The fact that the appendix still has a use does not mean it is not a vestigial organ. It no longer performs its original function, that makes it vestigial.

I'll say it again, I don't need your education on what vestiges are, THANK YOU. Let's look at the examples mentioned. Before continuing let's use a bit of common sense here which is often lacking on the evols part. If someone is born with a few extra vertebrae, then it's a genetic flaw, a mistake. It's just silly to suggest we should all have tails. You could be just as stupid and claim someone born with a large nose means we are related to elephants. Some people are born with 6 digits, what does that make them? a mermaid?
So, back to being sensible. Let's begin with a bit of history. In 1893 a German called Robert Wiedersheim produced a list of 86 so called vestiges. He even included the pituitary gland believe it or not. All of his list was proved ridiculous as human anatomy was understood. However, good old foolish Charlie Darwin who flunked School, decided to resurrect some of them.
Let's start with the Appendix. This has nothing to do with digesting your food, but it is necessary with controlling the critters that aid our digestion. It decides which bacteria are allowed to live in your guts, and which are not, controlling antibody production in that area. This has been known for years and is used in the womb for helping develop the immune system functions. Now, what next, ah yes the coccyx (which you call a tail bone). This is a bone made up of 3 segments fused together and has a huge task. Many of your muscles which enable you to stand and sit are attached to this. It's an anchor point, and a very useful one. If it's a tail, try wagging your coccyx. There are even reports this can be surgically removed will no ill effect, so good luck with that one. New Scientist did an article on this vestigial, but soon after one of the publishers tore some ligaments attached to the coccyx. He wrote "when that happens - if
you were standing (or sitting) – that's where you stayed, as the
muscles that helped you sit or stand all gained their ability to
move by their attachment to the tail bone, so to call it vestigial
and without function – what a painfully false statement"
Now wisdom teeth. Experts on teeth will tell you this has only been an issue for the last 400 years or so. It's due to our softer food diet and it is being noticed as each decade passes, less people are even growing them at all. This is not a long evolutionary change, it's a very quick adaptation due to diet. Goose bumps? more nonsense. They muscle contracts and forces out oils which help to cool the skin. Oh and hair is not vestigial either. Hair has nerve endings which help our sensation of touch.

 

[lasthero]

I'll say it again, I don't need your education on what vestiges are, THANK YOU.

So, basically, you're going to ignore what the actual definition of a vestigial organ is, come up with your own strawman definition, then beat it senseless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'll say it again, I don't need your education on what vestiges are, THANK YOU. Let's look at the examples mentioned. Before continuing let's use a bit of common sense here which is often lacking on the evols part. If someone is born with a few extra vertebrae, then it's a genetic flaw, a mistake. It's just silly to suggest we should all have tails. You could be just as stupid and claim someone born with a large nose means we are related to elephants. Some people are born with 6 digits, what does that make them? a mermaid?

What is a tail but a "few extra vertebrae"?

An no one said we should be born with a tail. We are just pointing out that your and my ancient ancestors had tails.

So, back to being sensible. Let's begin with a bit of history. In 1893 a German called Robert Wiedersheim produced a list of 86 so called vestiges. He even included the pituitary gland believe it or not. All of his list was proved ridiculous as human anatomy was understood. However, good old foolish Charlie Darwin who flunked School, decided to resurrect some of them.
Let's start with the Appendix. This has nothing to do with digesting your food, but it is necessary with controlling the critters that aid our digestion. It decides which bacteria are allowed to live in your guts, and which are not, controlling antibody production in that area. This has been known for years and is used in the womb for helping develop the immune system functions. Now, what next, ah yes the coccyx (which you call a tail bone). This is a bone made up of 3 segments fused together and has a huge task. Many of your muscles which enable you to stand and sit are attached to this. It's an anchor point, and a very useful one. If it's a tail, try wagging your coccyx. There are even reports this can be surgically removed will no ill effect, so good luck with that one. New Scientist did an article on this vestigial, but soon after one of the publishers tore some ligaments attached to the coccyx. He wrote "when that happens - if
you were standing (or sitting) – that's where you stayed, as the
muscles that helped you sit or stand all gained their ability to
move by their attachment to the tail bone, so to call it vestigial
and without function – what a painfully false statement"
Now wisdom teeth. Experts on teeth will tell you this has only been an issue for the last 400 years or so. It's due to our softer food diet and it is being noticed as each decade passes, less people are even growing them at all. This is not a long evolutionary change, it's a very quick adaptation due to diet. Goose bumps? more nonsense. They muscle contracts and forces out oils which help to cool the skin. Oh and hair is not vestigial either. Hair has nerve endings which help our sensation of touch.

Wrong, you still do not understand what a vestigial organ is. Does the appendix serve its original function? No. In fact that it has a new function is exactly how new organs evolve.

Here is a vestigial reaction that you will have a hard time with: Goosebumps. What purpose do goosebumps serve? They had an obvious function, when we had fur.

And watch the language. You just made a reportable post.

 

[lasthero]

ry. In 1893 a German called Robert Wiedersheim produced a list of 86 so called vestiges. He even included the pituitary gland believe it or not. All of his list was proved ridiculous as human anatomy was understood. However, good old foolish Charlie Darwin who flunked School, decided to resurrect some of them.

Also, this is just a straight, bold-faced LIE.

Weirdersheim published the list you're talking about in 1893. Guess what? Charles Darwin died in 1882. So how exactly did 'Charlie' resurrect Robert's list? Your inanity never ceases to amaze me - your arguments are terrible. I'm starting to think you're just a poe who's coming here to make creationists look bad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Goose bumps? more nonsense. They muscle contracts and forces out oils which help to cool the skin. Oh and hair is not vestigial either. Hair has nerve endings which help our sensation of touch.

And once again he proves his ignorance.

Oils do not help cool the skin, now you have your false uses messed up. And you do not get goosebumps when you want to cool down.

Talk about not having a clue.

And hair does not have never endings. There may be nerves associated with hair, but the hair itself is effectively dead.

One more time, new uses does not mean that an organ is not vestigial. You still don't know the meaning of the word.

You have been going to lying sources for your "science" and it shows.

 

[EternalDragon]

Thanks for admitting that you don't know what a vestigial organ is.

The appendix is a vestigial organ. The tail bone is a vestigial tail. People sometimes grow actual tails, and they are not mere scraps of skin.

Here is a simple article on vestigiality. If you read it you will understand better:

Human vestigiality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have been listening to lying sources again. The fact that the appendix still has a use does not mean it is not a vestigial organ. It no longer performs its original function, that makes it vestigial.

Our tail bone is essential to connect certain muscles or you would not be able to sit down in your computer chair. It also holds other things together. It's not a vestigial tail.

The appendix has a function. It aids in digestion and produces antibodies that defend your body against bacteria. Some studies have shown that the appendix has an important role even before a person is born.

Goosebumps do serve a function.

If you believe in all these vestigial organs, you are sadly being misled.

 

[lasthero]

Our tail bone is essential to connect certain muscles or you would not be able to sit down in your computer chair. It also holds other things together. It's not a vestigial tail.

The appendix has a function. It aids in digestion and produces antibodies that defend your body against bacteria. Some studies have shown that the appendix has an important role even before a person is born.

Goosebumps do serve a function.

If you believe in all these vestigial organs, you are sadly being misled.

Vestigial does not mean 'without function'. You've spent too much time on ID hack sites.

 

[EternalDragon]

Vestigial does not mean 'without function'. You've spent too much time on ID hack sites.

If you believe they are left over organs from evolution you have spent too much time listening to the babbling of men and not enough listening to God.

 

[lasthero]

If you believe they are left over organs from evolution you have spent too much time listening to the babbling of men and not enough listening to God.

Pretty sure God never spoke on vestigial organs. Are you going to make an actual argument, or is that the best you got?

 

[florida2]

Our tail bone is essential to connect certain muscles or you would not be able to sit down in your computer chair. It also holds other things together. It's not a vestigial tail.

The appendix has a function. It aids in digestion and produces antibodies that defend your body against bacteria. Some studies have shown that the appendix has an important role even before a person is born.

Goosebumps do serve a function.

If you believe in all these vestigial organs, you are sadly being misled.

What function to goosebumps serve?

For animals with a thick covering of hair, contraction of the muscles to make the hairs erect (which is what goosebumps are) is useful as it can trap an insulating layer of air.

With humans it's pointless because, except on our heads, we have very fine hair. Even with goosebumps it can't trap a layer of air. We haven't lost the function because it makes no difference either way to our survival or reproductive ability so there's been no selection pressure in favour of no goosebumps.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Add E.D to those who get their definition of "vestigial" from lying creationist sites.

Goosebumps serve no purpose. They did when we had fur, funny even AiG admits that.