What Would Falsify the Flood?

[AV1611VET]

Now you have just made me feel bad.

Does anyone know what's wrong with him?

I think he's schizophrenic.

Do you want me to ask him?

 

[Split Rock]

I think he's schizophrenic.

Do you want me to ask him?

 

[HitchSlap]

I think he's schizophrenic.

Do you want me to ask him?

Ask him what, a challenge question?

 

[EternalDragon]

And why 'one designer'? Why do you always assume that only one designer is involved? Why can't it be two? Or three? Or ten? How do you come to the conclusion that only one being had a hand in this?

ID predicts many designers = evidence does not fit

ID predicts one designer = evidence fits.

 

[CabVet]

It fits the evidence.

And why haven't you explained how it fits the evidence? Here, let me show you how it is done:

1. Present the evidence.
2. Explain it using your hypothesis.

Quite simple. ID predicts nothing, it assumes one designer, big difference.

 

[Subduction Zone]

ID predicts many designers = evidence does not fit

ID predicts one designer = evidence fits.

Another empty claim with no support for it.

E.D. still has nothing.

 

[CabVet]

ID predicts many designers = evidence does not fit

ID predicts one designer = evidence fits.

Not even close, the result of your alternatives would be exactly the same if there was 1 designer working alone or 100 designers working together. But even before going into that you have to show why appearance of design is evidence for a designer.

 

[EternalDragon]

Yeah, he did. He knew that the transitional between Panderichthys and Acanthostega had to be in sediment that had an age between those two species. That is exactly the type of sediment that he found the transitional in. He used the theory to find sediment of the right age.



It was the same layer of sediment.

And how far down did they have to dig to get to this 300 million year old fossil?

The neat little pictures with all the layers mapped out looks like the way things would die and get buried if the flood waters started in the bottom of the ocean by subduction and then killed things on the way up. Sea animals and sea plants getting killed first. Land animals getting killed and buried last.

 

[EternalDragon]

Not even close, the result of your alternatives would be exactly the same if there was 1 designer working alone or 100 designers working together. But even before going into that you have to show why appearance of design is evidence for a designer.

Not just appearance of design. Living organisms contain numerous biological machines and complex systems that most times need to all be there to work together.

Designed living organisms are evidence for a designer because natural selection and mutations don't build things, have an intelligence or can see into the future. If anything, those processes reduce complexity and fitness.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And how far down did they have to dig to get to this 300 million year old fossil?

The neat little pictures with all the layers mapped out looks like the way things would die and get buried if the flood waters started in the bottom of the ocean by subduction and then killed things on the way up. Sea animals and sea plants getting killed first. Land animals getting killed and buried last.

No, if the flood happened there would be only one very thin layer of life.

We have been over this before. Why do you think you would have thousands of feet of fossils without thousands of feet of life?

How far down a particular stratum depends on how much local deposition occurred, how much erosion, uplift etc..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not just appearance of design. Living organisms contain numerous biological machines and complex systems that most times need to all be there to work together.

Not quite. There has not been one case of "irreducible complexity" found to date.

]Designed living organisms are evidence for a designer because natural selection and mutations don't build things, have an intelligence or can see into the future. If anything, those processes reduce complexity and fitness.

And yet you cannot show any of these "designed organisms".

 

[biggles53]

Not just appearance of design. Living organisms contain numerous biological machines and complex systems that most times need to all be there to work together.

Name one........just one.......

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is a reason that AV does not argue science and sticks to his last Thrusdayism beliefs.

 

[lasthero]

Living organisms contain numerous biological machines and complex systems

Please define 'complex'.

 

[lasthero]

ID predicts many designers = evidence does not fit

Care to explain your reasoning?

 

[EternalDragon]

Name one........just one.......

Flagellum

 

[Subduction Zone]

Flagellum

Nope. Already been explained.

I even linked the video and paper that explains how for you before and even offered to do it again. You said nothing indicating you knew you were wrong.

 

[kellhus]

Flagellum

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-0-387-74021-8_11

 

[Subduction Zone]

Flagellum

One more time for your education:


The Evolution of the Flagellum - YouTube

And the paper that the video was based upon:

Evolution of the bacterial flagellum

 

[EternalDragon]

No, if the flood happened there would be only one very thin layer of life.

We have been over this before. Why do you think you would have thousands of feet of fossils without thousands of feet of life?

How far down a particular stratum depends on how much local deposition occurred, how much erosion, uplift etc..

Why only one thin layer? I've seen local floods that left multiple layers.
Especially with wave action like in the ocean over say a hill and into a basin.