The books of Hebrews and Revelation prove the unchangeableness of God's Holy Law. (2)

[Leuko Petra]

I hear you've been challenged to name anyone who has achieved this. Have you done it yet?

Brother, there is an entire crop [Harvest] of people that God will fulfill His promise in:

Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

What do you say of this text? is it true or false? God's Word clearly says of these "saints" that they will "keep" "the Commandments of God".

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen. Romans 16:20

As the Head, so the body must follow...

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:19

...you see the Everlasting Gospel and Everlasting Covenant actually promises something unto us, not merely removal of the wrath of God, but of living unto God in atonement once more. No longer in disobedience, but in harmonious obedience. The Image of God restored in man.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6

...yet, these of today like unbelieving Israel of old, they say it is too high to attain unto it, too hard, too difficult, too narrow, too much dying to self, too many giants, the walls too big and strong... and the land eats up the inhabitants... and they do not take God at His word that He empowers them to live as He lived, that His word is for the tearing down of strongholds, and the overthrowing of giants...

...the harvest vindicates the seed sown.

 

[Leuko Petra]

Flooding the thread with excesses of text just gets very few people interested in reading ANY of it at all IMO.

We have quoted a single text in many instances and even without comment, and yet it is said we have taken it out of context, and that we do not understand what is said...

...then when it is presented in complete context, with commentary and questions, highlighted and explained according to the text, it said we present too much...

...feast or famine... fasting and mourning, or gluttonous and a winebibber...

But wisdom is justified of all her children. Luke 7:35

 

[CFTerminator]

I hear you've been challenged to name anyone who has achieved this. Have you done it yet?

All that Jesus requires is that we do our best to obey the 10 Commandments. When you decide to obey then the power of the Holy brings in the power to obey. But, when you knowingly refuse to obey the most plain Scriptures in the Bible, what else can God do?

 

[from scratch]

Brother, there is an entire crop [Harvest] of people that God will fulfill His promise in:

Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

What do you say of this text? is it true or false? God's Word clearly says of these "saints" that they will "keep" "the Commandments of God".

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen. Romans 16:20

As the Head, so the body must follow...

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:19

...you see the Everlasting Gospel and Everlasting Covenant actually promises something unto us, not merely removal of the wrath of God, but of living unto God in atonement once more. No longer in disobedience, but in harmonious obedience. The Image of God restored in man.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6

...yet, these of today like unbelieving Israel of old, they say it is too high to attain unto it, too hard, too difficult, too narrow, too much dying to self, too many giants, the walls too big and strong... and the land eats up the inhabitants... and they do not take God at His word that He empowers them to live as He lived, that His word is for the tearing down of strongholds, and the overthrowing of giants...

...the harvest vindicates the seed sown.

I've requested you not call me brother with a reason. This is the second and last time I'll be nice about it.

 

[Sophrosyne]

We have quoted a single text in many instances and even without comment, and yet it is said we have taken it out of context, and that we do not understand what is said...

...then when it is presented in complete context, with commentary and questions, highlighted and explained according to the text, it said we present too much...

...feast or famine... fasting and mourning, or gluttonous and a winebibber...

But wisdom is justified of all her children. Luke 7:35

If the excessive text was in proper context and proved something it would be justified but sadly all your flooding does is makes for even more out of context reading to try and correct you of. Replying to your stuff it like trying to plug holes in a sinking ship the more scripture you post the more holes you make in the boat and the more people who wish to correct you (patch the holes) have to work.

 

[from scratch]

Brother, there is an entire crop [Harvest] of people that God will fulfill His promise in:

Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

What do you say of this text? is it true or false? God's Word clearly says of these "saints" that they will "keep" "the Commandments of God".

The verse is true your interpretation of the verse is false. The reason is because every time you see the word commandment(s) it means the Ten Commandments. This is easily demonstrable to be incorrect with John 15:10.

And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen. Romans 16:20

As the Head, so the body must follow...

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:19

...you see the Everlasting Gospel and Everlasting Covenant actually promises something unto us, not merely removal of the wrath of God, but of living unto God in atonement once more. No longer in disobedience, but in harmonious obedience. The Image of God restored in man.

Yes but your obedience must be to the correct object. In this case it isn't the 7th day Sabbath; it is Jesus Christ our Sabbath rest as He offered in Mat 11:28-30.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 1 John 2:6

You don't comply with your very own mandate. Of course I'm applying your idea about the verse. You ignor Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, I Timothy and I John for starters. They've all been quoted to you.

...yet, these of today like unbelieving Israel of old, they say it is too high to attain unto it, too hard, too difficult, too narrow, too much dying to self, too many giants, the walls too big and strong... and the land eats up the inhabitants... and they do not take God at His word that He empowers them to live as He lived, that His word is for the tearing down of strongholds, and the overthrowing of giants...

...the harvest vindicates the seed sown.

See above comment.

 

[from scratch]

All that Jesus requires is that we do our best to obey the 10 Commandments. When you decide to obey then the power of the Holy brings in the power to obey. But, when you knowingly refuse to obey the most plain Scriptures in the Bible, what else can God do?

Jesus requires no such thing.

Do you mean I ignore passages like Deut 5:3, Jer 31:31-33, Hosea 2:11, Mat 26:28, MK 14:24, LK 22:20, Rom 7:6, 10:4, Gal 3:17-19, 5:4, 18 and I Tim 1:8-10 for starters.

 

[from scratch]

If the excessive text was in proper context and proved something it would be justified but sadly all your flooding does is makes for even more out of context reading to try and correct you of. Replying to your stuff it like trying to plug holes in a sinking ship the more scripture you post the more holes you make in the boat and the more people who wish to correct you (patch the holes) have to work.

Basically I think it is pure spamming in GT.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Basically I think it is pure spamming in GT.

It is spamming when you add in stuff that is unrelated to the post you are replying to making a reply 2-3 times as long as it needs to be.

 

[Leuko Petra]

...John 15:10....

Brother, you keep saying this, but it is continually told you that it is written - http://www.christianforums.com/t7648522-65/#post60433998

 

[Leuko Petra]

The verse is true your interpretation of the verse is false. The reason is because every time you see the word commandment(s) it means the Ten Commandments...

Context of Revelation 14:12, dictates that "the Commandments of God" are the Ten Commandments, see also Revelation 14:6-7, which cites a portion of the Ten Commandments in Rev. 14 vs 7 [Exodus 20:11]. Also the very fact of the Forehead and Hand are mentioned also signify the Ten Commandments, see:

Exodus 13:9,16; Deuteronomy 6:8, 11:18; Psalms 119:109,111-112; Ezekiel 9:4; Isaiah 8:16; James 4:8; Revelation 9:4, 14:1, etc.

 

[Leuko Petra]

...Yes but your obedience must be to the correct object. In this case it isn't the 7th day Sabbath; it is Jesus Christ our Sabbath rest as He offered in Mat 11:28-30....

Matthew 11:28-30 reveals the same God, same commandments:

Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28

And he said, My presence shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest. Exodus 33:14

 

[Keachian]

Brother, you keep saying this, but it is continually told you that it is written - http://www.christianforums.com/t7648522-65/#post60433998

You make two assumptions that noone agrees with outside of Judaism and your sect.

 

[Leuko Petra]

...your sect.

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: Acts 24:14

But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against. Acts 28:22

Endearing, really... as it is written...

Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted?...

As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Romans 8:36

[We are] troubled on every side, yet not distressed; [we are] perplexed, but not in despair; 2 Corinthians 4:8

Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 2 Corinthians 4:9

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 2 Corinthians 4:10

For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 2 Corinthians 4:11

Have you had the chance to read the response here on Hebrews 4?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7752117-64/#post64031603

 

[Rev Randy]

Unsubscribing. Overcolored, long-winded, empty post give me a headache.

 

[from scratch]

Context of Revelation 14:12, dictates that "the Commandments of God" are the Ten Commandments, see also Revelation 14:6-7, which cites a portion of the Ten Commandments in Rev. 14 vs 7 [Exodus 20:11]. Also the very fact of the Forehead and Hand are mentioned also signify the Ten Commandments, see:

Exodus 13:9,16; Deuteronomy 6:8, 11:18; Psalms 119:109,111-112; Ezekiel 9:4; Isaiah 8:16; James 4:8; Revelation 9:4, 14:1, etc.

I can find no part of the Ten commandments in Rev 14:6-7. I do read about creation which isn't part of the Ten Commandments.

Your streeeeeeeeching it.

 

[from scratch]

Matthew 11:28-30 reveals the same God, same commandments:

Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28

And he said, My presence shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest. Exodus 33:14

Moses isn't representing Jesus. Furthermore God is speaking to exclusively to Moses and not to or about the people.

Is Ex 33:14 and PS 95:11 talking about the same thing?

11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Unsubscribing. Overcolored, long-winded, empty posts give me a headache.

You can "blot" them out by just putting a member on ignore and you will be surprised how clean the thread will look afterwards.

You can still view their post by hitting "view", but if another member quotes the post, you will see it anyway

Exd 32:32
"Yet now, if Thou will forgive their sin--but if not, I pray, blot me out! of Thy book which Thou hast written."




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[from scratch]

Unsubscribing. Overcolored, long-winded, empty post give me a headache.

Yes they're difficult and usually self conflicting. Makes sorting out difficult.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Leuko Petra

Brother, you keep saying this, but it is continually told you that it is written - http://www.christianforums.com/t7648.../#post60433998
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You make two assumptions that noone agrees with outside of Judaism and your sect.

*Sadly, they haven't really helped the cause of the Christian Reformation/Protestism very much, and in fact, they take it backwards...IMHO

Seventh-day Adventist Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the largest of several Adventist groups which arose from the Millerite movement of the 1840s in upstate New York, a phase of the Second Great Awakening. William Miller predicted on the basis of Daniel 8:14–16 and the "day-year principle" that Jesus Christ would return to Earth between the Spring of 1843 and the Spring of 1844.

Critics such as evangelical Anthony Hoekema (who felt that Adventists were more in agreement with Arminianism), argue that some Adventist doctrines are heterodox.
Several teachings which have come under scrutiny are the annihilationist view of hell, the investigative judgment (and a related view of the atonement), and the Sabbath; in addition, Hoekema also claims that Adventist doctrine suffers from legalism.[79]




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