Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[Knee V]

trouble

Right here in River City.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

Right here in River City.

Trouble with a capital T and that rhymes with P and that stands for POOL.

 

[nephilimiyr]

You're right that the majority doesn't make something true.

That said, some numbers might help with the "no they don't" claim:

Roman Catholics - 1.2 billion
Eastern Orthodox - 230 million
Anglicans - 85 million
Oriental Orthodox - 82 million
Lutherans - 75 million
Methodists - 75 million

= 1.75 billion

Of the roughly 2.18 billion Christians, 1.75 billion is a pretty good majority, about 80% according to my fumbling with the calculator.

-CryptoLutheran

It would be nice to see your source for these numbers, but that's not why I'm replying, well, maybe in a way it is. You failed in listing all of the thousands of Protestant denominations other than the two that you did. Plus, there are an aweful lot of Christians that are either home churched or unchurched, that is, don't belong to any church or denomination or home church. Interesting post you made just the same.

 

[Pteriax]

Have you?




.

Yep

 

[Pteriax]

I would agree with her. I sense that a bit of your first response was quibbling over terms at best (i.e. denominations vs. faith groups). And unless you've ever been 'Oneness Pentecostal', SDA, or otherwise, I'm not sure you can authoritatively say WHAT they believe. It would be like me saying Catholics (no offense ) are undoubtedly heretics because they worship Mary, a point I have absolutely no first-hand knowledge of.

*And yes, I have read the whole thread

I have read their official doctrines and researched their founders as well. I would use stronger language (not swears) to describe them, but I don't want to make people angry or violate a forum rule. Send me a message if you want to know more.

 

[Pteriax]

Yes, that's the trouble.

Lol, agreed.

 

[Cappadocious]

You're right that the majority doesn't make something true.

That said, some numbers might help with the "no they don't" claim:

Roman Catholics - 1.2 billion
Eastern Orthodox - 230 million
Anglicans - 85 million
Oriental Orthodox - 82 million
Lutherans - 75 million
Methodists - 75 million

= 1.75 billion

Of the roughly 2.18 billion Christians, 1.75 billion is a pretty good majority, about 80% according to my fumbling with the calculator.

-CryptoLutheran

Thanks.

We still haven't seen the evidence for all the anti-real Presence folks in the centuries immediately following Pentecost. I wonder if we'll ever get it.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It would be nice to see your source for these numbers, but that's not why I'm replying, well, maybe in a way it is. You failed in listing all of the thousands of Protestant denominations other than the two that you did. Plus, there are an aweful lot of Christians that are either home churched or unchurched, that is, don't belong to any church or denomination or home church. Interesting post you made just the same.

I think his point was that roughly 80% of all professing Christians belong to traditions that believe and teach the real presence as opposed to a symbolic or metaphorical view of the Holy Eucharist. Mentioning the 20% that may (or may not, depending on which group one looks at) hold to the symbolic view is redundant because he is (generously) treating the 20% not included in the traditions explicitly mentioned as if they all held to symbolic views.

 

[Pteriax]

You're right that the majority doesn't make something true.

That said, some numbers might help with the "no they don't" claim:

Roman Catholics - 1.2 billion
Eastern Orthodox - 230 million
Anglicans - 85 million
Oriental Orthodox - 82 million
Lutherans - 75 million
Methodists - 75 million

= 1.75 billion

Of the roughly 2.18 billion Christians, 1.75 billion is a pretty good majority, about 80% according to my fumbling with the calculator.

-CryptoLutheran

Methodists do not. And besides that the majority is often wrong.

 

[Knee V]

Someone to hate

Nah, that's what we have the Senate for.

 

[emmyan]

Mine would be that jesus is micheal the archangel and that hell doesnt exist.

Name one that you have thought was biblical but found out it was heretical?

I believed in many lies...
For example:
- If you repent by mouth - God will instantly forgive your sins
- No one can live a holy and a godly life
- If you believed in Jesus once - you can never lose your salvation or go astray from God
- Other doctrines of Calvinism and OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved)

 

[Pteriax]

Nah, that's what we have the Senate for.

bahahaha!!

I believed in many lies...
For example:
- If you repent by mouth - God will instantly forgive your sins
- No one can live a holy and a godly life
- If you believed in Jesus once - you can never lose your salvation or go astray from God
- Other doctrines of Calvinism and OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved)

Could you explain please, how someone can live a holy and godly (sin-free) life?

 

[emmyan]

Could you explain please, how someone can live a holy and godly (sin-free) life?

On the one hand, it's a long explanation to be told. On the one hand, there's a great passage which explains how we can do this:

2 Peter 1:3-9

God bless you!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by ViaCrucis

You're right that the majority doesn't make something true.
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Methodists do not.
And besides that the majority is often wrong.

Rom 13:3
For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority?
Then do what is right and you will be commended.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The point in mentioning statistics for membership was simply and only to falsify the claim that "most christians" do not accept the real presence.

 

[Cappadocious]

We still haven't seen the evidence for all the anti-real Presence folks in the centuries immediately following Pentecost. I wonder if we'll ever get it.

Well?

 

[Rick Otto]

Well?

I can lead a horse to evidence, but I can't make him believe it.

 

[Knee V]

Well?

Cistern?

 

[Rick Otto]

Cistern?

Brethren!

 

[nephilimiyr]

I think his point was that roughly 80% of all professing Christians belong to traditions that believe and teach the real presence as opposed to a symbolic or metaphorical view of the Holy Eucharist. Mentioning the 20% that may (or may not, depending on which group one looks at) hold to the symbolic view is redundant because he is (generously) treating the 20% not included in the traditions explicitly mentioned as if they all held to symbolic views.

Oh, OK, yeah I guess you're right.