Drug-Sorcery

[dnc101]

Bjornke, most- almost all- that grant money comes from our taxes.

If pharmaceutical companies do give, it is more likely they want to control the results and squelch the competition. Just my opinion, but you gave yours, so ...

Not that it matters; we'll all die of cancer before we ever find out! LROL!

Dan C

 

[Nathan Ethan]

Now as to my opinion on this. I believe that prayer and fasting and having the prayers of others and the "elders" is very necessary. However, I do not think you must only do this. I believe this alongside with modern medicine is you best course of action. You allow yourself to be willing to fully submit to the healing powers of Yahweh, and allow the marvels of modern medicine to do their work too. .

No. It's not "very necessary". The millions of people that have been healed by drugs and physicians without any belief in YHWH prove this.
They never prayed, fasted, or called for the prayers of elders.

You are missing the whole point of this thread. And you are trying to teach on this thread, which is not permitted.

 

[Bjornke]

No. It's not "very necessary". The millions of people that have been healed by drugs and physicians without any belief in YHWH prove this.
They never prayed, fasted, or called for the prayers of elders.

You are missing the whole point of this thread. And you are trying to teach on this thread, which is not permitted.

Dear sir,

I am by no means trying to teach. Perhaps you misunderstood. I am very aware that modern medicine has and can heal many people. Perhaps I should have chosen a better word to use. But I meant that prayer very much is integral. As in, it should be used more often, used more thoroughly, because prayer has power. I did NOT mean to say it was the only way to be healed, and I did NOT mean to say modern medicine cannot produce miracles and healing! I just meant that in my OPINION prayer should be more integral in the healing process because it has such power!

I admit my word choice makes it seem different, but I did NOT mean to say what you think I said. Also, I am by no mean trying to teach.

I apologize thoroughly for upsetting you, or others.

Blessings and Prayers,

Brandon

 

[Nathan Ethan]

Dear sir,

I admit my word choice makes it seem different, but I did NOT mean to say what you think I said. Also, I am by no mean trying to teach.

I apologize thoroughly for upsetting you, or others.

No one is upset at you. No need to apologize, but it was a nice gesture.

Check out the MJ SOP so you will understand where I'm coming from.

 

[visionary]

Dear sir,

I am by no means trying to teach. Perhaps you misunderstood. I am very aware that modern medicine has and can heal many people. Perhaps I should have chosen a better word to use. But I meant that prayer very much is integral. As in, it should be used more often, used more thoroughly, because prayer has power. I did NOT mean to say it was the only way to be healed, and I did NOT mean to say modern medicine cannot produce miracles and healing! I just meant that in my OPINION prayer should be more integral in the healing process because it has such power!

I admit my word choice makes it seem different, but I did NOT mean to say what you think I said. Also, I am by no mean trying to teach.

I apologize thoroughly for upsetting you, or others.

Blessings and Prayers,

Brandon

No proof of healing with medicine. No cures. In spite of modern medicine, the body sometimes recovers.

Medication takes you in a downward pricey spiral, slowly until you die. Let's say you are diagnosed with cancer, go through the treatment, chem and radiation, and they state you are in remission. What they don't tell you is that radiation takes seven years to manifest itself in the bones... which when it does, they will tell you the cancer came back with a vengeance and now you have bone metastasis. Just because they have a great script for explaining what has happened doesn't make it the whole truth. Why chemotherapy doesn't work - Cancer tumors confirmed to have stem cells that regenerate tumors

 

[SayaOtonashi]

one tiny problem, Jesus said only the sick should see the doctor. A doctor Job is to heal. Many know cancer treamtments are danger since you kill both health and cancer cells. However what of my I have Seizures and I pray to god that let the mental illness go away but ig it's not because the doctor told me I was born with it.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

pharmakeia can also mean someone is killing someone not a doctor because even at this time Doctor give medience.

 

[visionary]

one tiny problem, Jesus said only the sick should see the doctor. A doctor Job is to heal. Many know cancer treamtments are danger since you kill both health and cancer cells. However what of my I have Seizures and I pray to god that let the mental illness go away but ig it's not because the doctor told me I was born with it.

Has anyone PET scan your brain for the short circuit. Laser can help. It is the light.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

Small brain matter is what's causing it and because of the size there nothing but pills and I don't want to take the pills because there a chance I can't have children.

 

[Nathan Ethan]

However what of my I have Seizures and I pray to god that let the mental illness go away but ig it's not because the doctor told me I was born with it.

I am so sorry to hear of your illness. It makes me sad. My heart truly goes out to you. May I ask your first name so that I can mention you when I pray?

 

[visionary]

Small brain matter is what's causing it and because of the size there nothing but pills and I don't want to take the pills because there a chance I can't have children.

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[SayaOtonashi]

The problem is my insurance will not cover especially since my doctor said my seizurs are under control. I'm so confused, many have said this is a sin I committed or my mother and since I'm taking pills that I have abandoned god. Do u know how hard that is. I prayed to god every night to have the illness taking way and after not taking it, I had seizures. Was I not strong in my faith? Should I stop and pray again but than I remember something I asked God if my seizure aren't from sin and taking medince is not a sin than dear lord god look after me has I take my pills.

 

[SilverBlade]

I've gotta ask this to the thread:

Would you seriously let your own child die at the hands of a treatable illness and requires the use of modern medicine?

Of course it's easy to say "It's a sin, I wouldn't take that!".... but what of your own child? Would you condemn them to die? The child that Yahweh gave to you as a gift? Throw it away because of a sickness? Because sometimes prayer sometimes isn't always answered in the form of recovery?

No, I don't think Yahweh would expect parents to let their child die. "Thou Shall Not Kill" comes to mind. Preventing treatment is equal to murder, even if it's indirect (Fact is, many parents have been thrown in jail for preventing treatment and hoping prayer would work.). Any parent that would condemn their child to death would have to come up with a really good explanation at judgement time, and I doubt yelling "medicine is from Satan!" would count.

Yahweh gave you a give - a child. Genetically, that child is of your blood, but spiritually, the child is a child of Yahweh's. He gave you that child to take care of and give them the best chance in living in this world. Preventing treatment is the total opposite, and, in a way, it's like saying "I don't want the gift, take it back!".

 

[intojoy]

Well this thread turned out a real disappointment

 

[Nathan Ethan]

I've gotta ask this to the thread:

Would you seriously let your own child die at the hands of a treatable illness and requires the use of modern medicine?

Of course it's easy to say "It's a sin, I wouldn't take that!".... but what of your own child? Would you condemn them to die? The child that Yahweh gave to you as a gift? Throw it away because of a sickness? Because sometimes prayer sometimes isn't always answered in the form of recovery?

No, I don't think Yahweh would expect parents to let their child die. "Thou Shall Not Kill" comes to mind. Preventing treatment is equal to murder, even if it's indirect (Fact is, many parents have been thrown in jail for preventing treatment and hoping prayer would work.). Any parent that would condemn their child to death would have to come up with a really good explanation at judgement time, and I doubt yelling "medicine is from Satan!" would count.

Yahweh gave you a give - a child. Genetically, that child is of your blood, but spiritually, the child is a child of Yahweh's. He gave you that child to take care of and give them the best chance in living in this world. Preventing treatment is the total opposite, and, in a way, it's like saying "I don't want the gift, take it back!".

You are a guest on this forum. Coming here and making assumptions, blanket statements and insinuations and judgments is not appreciated or welcomed. Your post has been reported. Please refrain from making any further comments. Thank you.

 

[pat34lee]

I've gotta ask this to the thread:

Would you seriously let your own child die at the hands of a treatable illness and requires the use of modern medicine?

I doubt that anyone here is against doctors or medicine. They just acknowledge that there is a limit to what doctors and modern medicine can do. And in some cases, like chemo or vaccines, they can make you worse.

 

[kellhus]

I doubt that anyone here is against doctors or medicine. They just acknowledge that there is a limit to what doctors and modern medicine can do. And in some cases, like chemo or vaccines, they can make you worse.

Vaccines don't make you worse though... There's a whole slew vaccine related conspiracy theories, but there's no scientific evidence of any of it.

When judgement day comes, Andrew Wakefield will have to answer for the blood on his hands for perpetuating that myth.


That aside, I'm surprised. I didn't know there was such skepticism and rejection of medical science in messianic Judaism.

 

[pat34lee]

Vaccines don't make you worse though... There's a whole slew vaccine related conspiracy theories, but there's no scientific evidence of any of it.

When judgement day comes, Andrew Wakefield will have to answer for the blood on his hands for perpetuating that myth.


That aside, I'm surprised. I didn't know there was such skepticism and rejection of medical science in messianic Judaism.

I don't really think it is a MJ thing, except that many have learned that what you have been taught through the years is not necessarily true. If there is nothing wrong with vaccines, then why have allergy and autism rates gone through the roof in the last decade or two? There has never been either long term testing of vaccines or of the effects of giving multiple vaccines all at once or within a short span of time. Have you thought of how many vaccines they give kids?

From Indiana state government website (other states should be similar):

For Kindergarten or first grade entry, your child needs five doses of DTaP (Diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis), two doses of measles-containing vaccine (MMR - combined measles, mumps and rubella), four doses of polio, and three doses of hepatitis B vaccine. (As of the 2004-05 school year, your child will also need a chickenpox shot or a statement that he/she has had chickenpox disease.)​

Not to mention they also want all of us to get the flu vaccine at least once yearly.

 

[intojoy]

Well this thread turned out a real disappointment

Buzz kill

 

[kellhus]

I don't really think it is a MJ thing, except that many have learned that what you have been taught through the years is not necessarily true. If there is nothing wrong with vaccines, then why have allergy and autism rates gone through the roof in the last decade or two? There has never been either long term testing of vaccines or of the effects of giving multiple vaccines all at once or within a short span of time. Have you thought of how many vaccines they give kids?

From Indiana state government website (other states should be similar):
For Kindergarten or first grade entry, your child needs five doses of DTaP (Diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis), two doses of measles-containing vaccine (MMR - combined measles, mumps and rubella), four doses of polio, and three doses of hepatitis B vaccine. (As of the 2004-05 school year, your child will also need a chickenpox shot or a statement that he/she has had chickenpox disease.)

Not to mention they also want all of us to get the flu vaccine at least once yearly.

Correlation does not imply causation. I didn't learn that in immunology or microbiology, I learned that in intro to statistics.

There is no valid link between vaccinations and autism.