as it was,so shall it be/choking on a gnat ?

[Aman777]

I am simply following Jesus who called unbelievers, Hypocrites, Snakes, and Whited Sepulchres, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones. I would also call these people names, but they would probably TOS me for Flaming. Looks like they can dish it out, but find it hard to take it without whining.

Sounds like you'd like to be as insulting as Jesus was to those you think deserve it, but the rules of this Christian Forum prohibit it. Let's meditate on that irony for a while.

Dear TLK, I see nothing wrong with speaking frankly to those who Blaspheme God, and His Holy Word, daily. Remember that Jesus was WITHOUT sin. Hebrews 4 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

This reveals that it's NOT a sin to righteously blast those who speak against God, no matter what TOS says. I can understand though WHY these rules are necessary, since I was cussed out many, many, times on the Old ACLU message boards, which were closed before the year 2000. I really don't want to return to those days.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dlamberth]

I am simply following Jesus who called unbelievers, Hypocrites, Snakes, and Whited Sepulchres, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones.

No...your not simply following Jesus. What your doing is coming up with your very own special interpretation of the Genesis Creation Story and when your special interpretation is being questioned you claim the authority of Jesus. You are all about strawman. Personally, I don't have to jump very far to see Jesus as thinking that your interpretation of Genesis is totally wackadoodle.

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[StormanNorman]

I am simply following Jesus who called unbelievers, Hypocrites, Snakes, and Whited Sepulchres, which appear beautiful on the outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones. I would also call these people names, but they would probably TOS me for Flaming. Looks like they can dish it out, but find it hard to take it without whining.



Dear TLK, I see nothing wrong with speaking frankly to those who Blaspheme God, and His Holy Word, daily. Remember that Jesus was WITHOUT sin. Hebrews 4 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

This reveals that it's NOT a sin to righteously blast those who speak against God, no matter what TOS says. I can understand though WHY these rules are necessary, since I was cussed out many, many, times on the Old ACLU message boards, which were closed before the year 2000. I really don't want to return to those days.

In Love,
Aman

Well, then, blast away, Aman. I know I won't report you .... in fact, I probably won't even read it unless one of my fellow "evil" evolutionists quotes you.

 

[Aman777]

Well, then, blast away, Aman. I know I won't report you .... in fact, I probably won't even read it unless one of my fellow "evil" evolutionists quotes you.

Dear StormnNorman, Sorry, but no matter how many times you try to get me to Flame you, I will decline.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

No...your not simply following Jesus. What your doing is coming up with your very own special interpretation of the Genesis Creation Story and when your special interpretation is being questioned you claim the authority of Jesus. You are all about strawman. Personally, I don't have to jump very far to see Jesus as thinking that your interpretation of Genesis is totally wackadoodle..

Dear dlamberth, Before I answer your ad hominem post, please tell us YOUR interpretation of Genesis. I promise not to laugh.

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

I promise not to laugh.

... I won't either!

 

[Aman777]

... I won't either!

Dear AV, I'm really interested in what "other religion" our friend believes. Do you know?

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

Dear AV, I'm really interested in what "other religion" our friend believes. Do you know?

In Love,
Aman

As far as I can tell, dlamberth is a panentheist.

I think he believes God created the universe, then absorbed it into His being.

Sort of like a sponge creating water, then soaking it up.

Dlamberth, please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[dlamberth]

I promise not to laugh.

I'm laughing. It's all so strange.

Your interpretation of the Genesis Creation story is way different than AV's interpretation who is way different than Dads, who's is way different than anyone else's. And none of you hold the same interpretation as does main stream Christian world. With all of these differences of interpretation when you are confronted with your wackadoodle special interpretation that only YOU hold, you run and hide behind the Jesus card. To me, that it totally laughable.

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[AV1611VET]

Your interpretation of the Genesis Creation story is way different than AV's interpretation who is way different than Dads, who's is way different than anyone else's.

And yet we all three believe: In the beginning, God....

 

[CabVet]

I'm laughing. It's all so strange.

Your interpretation of the Genesis Creation story is way different than AV's interpretation who is way different than Dads, who's is way different than anyone else's. And none of you hold the same interpretation as does main stream Christian world. With all of these differences of interpretation when you are confronted with your wackadoodle special interpretation that only YOU hold, you run and hide behind the Jesus card. To me, that it totally laughable.

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What is really funny about it though is that all of them (along with millions of others out there) claim that their specific interpretation is the one and only truth of God.

 

[Aman777]

What is really funny about it though is that all of them (along with millions of others out there) claim that their specific interpretation is the one and only truth of God.

Dear Cab, Scripture tells us that unbelievers cannot understand the Spiritual. ALL Christians are part of the body of Christ, and it takes ALL of us working together, with God providing each of us with our own understanding.

Unlike atheists, agnostics, phonies, and other unbelievers, we do NOT disagree with each other for we realize that it takes ALL of us to complete the Church. In heaven, we will all agree since Jesus will inform us of His Truth, which unlike the changable half truth of man's science, changes NOT.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased Him.

In Love,
Aman

 

[dlamberth]

As far as I can tell, dlamberth is a panentheist.

I think he believes God created the universe, then absorbed it into His being.

Sort of like a sponge creating water, then soaking it up.

Dlamberth, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Your close. It's true that I'm a Panenthiest.

But, for correction, from my perspective,it's not only that God created the universe...for me God IS all of Creation...both the seen and unseen. There is no separation. As an example using thoughts, God IS every thought there ever was and every thought that is happening right now along with every thought there will ever be in the future. For me it's a total and complete 100% and more Alpha and Omega/Omnipresent perspective of the Divine experience.

About your sponge analogy, I see God as not only the sponge but also the water. No soaking it up required. And not only is God the water and sponge, He is the atoms and sub-particles that make up H2O and even the forces that pull and hold it all together. It's ALL God, every bit of it.

The trick is in looking past the physical aspect of the sponge and water and going to the spiritual essence.

When it comes to evolution, I see evolution as God in action. I'm unable to separate the two apart from each other.

This is how I "experience" life. It's way more than a "belief". It's absolute reality for me. Everywhere I look, there God/the Divine is.

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[Aman777]

This is how I "experience" life. It's way more than a "belief". It's absolute reality for me. Everywhere I look, there God/the Divine is.

Dear dlamberth, Is God in evil? What about Jesus? Is He the only way to God? Or can we know God apart from Jesus?

In Love,
Aman

 

[TLK Valentine]

Dear dlamberth, Is God in evil?

Of course He is -- even the Bible teaches that.

What about Jesus? Is He the only way to God? Or can we know God apart from Jesus?

Millions of Jews do -- and they're God's chosen people, so they should know.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear dlamberth, Is God in evil?
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Of course He is -- even the Bible teaches that.

Dear TLK, Not so. God caused the emergence of evil into our world, by making matter apart from Himself, but there is NO darkness in Him. 1 John 1 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Aman:>>What about Jesus? Is He the only way to God? Or can we know God apart from Jesus?
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Millions of Jews do -- and they're God's chosen people, so they should know.

Chosen can also be understood as "examples" of men apart from God. In the end, they will accept Jesus as their Messiah. Scripture tells us that they have NONE understanding. The LORD says:

Jer 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Don't take me wrong. I love Jews and they will soon be my brothers and sisters in Christ, but I do NOT follow their theology.

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

But, for correction, from my perspective,it's not only that God created the universe...for me God IS all of Creation...both the seen and unseen.

Thank you for your reply.

Again, please correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't God first create the universe, then absorb it?

In other words, at one time -- very briefly -- God and the universe were apart from one another, until God absorbed it into Himself.

So today, God is the universe and the universe is God.

In my sponge analogy, the sponge first creates the water, then absorbs the water; and the sponge and the water become one.

 

[dlamberth]

In other words, at one time -- very briefly -- God and the universe were apart from one another, until God absorbed it into Himself.

Nope...no separation at any time. Period!! Separation, even a split second implies that God and every bit of this Creation are not Whole, United and One.

It's hard for a Christian to get the perspective of Panentheism because their paradigm is of a God who is separate and apart from His own Creation.

Some of the confusion may be in the term "universe" that your using. I tend to use the term "creation" or "life" instead because there is both the seen and unseen aspects of this creation. The word "Universe" tends to point towards the physical aspect only. And God is way, WAY more than the physical aspect of this creation.

In my sponge analogy, the sponge first creates the water, then absorbs the water; and the sponge and the water become one.

You analogy implies separation at some point. The paradigm for a Panenthiest is zero separation at any time. God can be seen in the Water AND the sponge and both are of God.

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[dlamberth]

Is God in evil?

God isn't evil. The only place that evil exist is in the mind of man. We commit really, REALLY bad acts on other people, and those acts strike our heart so badly that we call it "evil". And it is in a way. But there is no where else in this creation where "evil" exist except in the acts of human beings.

What we are called to do, and what I feel the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is about is for us to rise above those evil acts through Love, Compassion and Service to others. In this way we become more human, Human Beings. To me that's what Salvation is about.

What about Jesus? Is He the only way to God?

I'm unable to limit Christ. Somehow Christians are able to do that. So I experience Christ from a perspective totally and completely unlimited Light and Love.

As such I see the Heart of Christ in others with in other spiritual and even non-spiritual paths and people.

Or can we know God apart from Jesus?

We can not truly know Christ apart from God. Yes, we can "believe" in a person called Jesus, and even worship that person and call him God. But to truly "know" and "experience" Christ deeply with in ones Heart...that can not be done apart from God. Essentially I'm turning your question upside down.

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[dlamberth]

Unlike atheists, agnostics, phonies, and other unbelievers, we do NOT disagree with each other for we realize that it takes ALL of us to complete the Church.

Even though your stand alone interpretation of the Genesis Creation Story is in disagreement with AV and Dad's and everyone else in the world? You surely DO disagree!!!

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