The wages of sin is DEATH, not eternal torment in Hell.

[Ronald]

Matthew 25:46 contains an additional clue confirming the temporary nature of God’s judgment. The Greek word, translated “punishment,” is kolasis. William Barclay, world-renowned Greek scholar, translator, and author of the popular Bible commentary, The Daily Study Bible and New Testament Words, noted:
The Greek word for punishment here [Mt. 25:46] is kolasis, which was not originally an ethical word at all. It originally meant the pruning of trees to make them grow better. I think it is true to say that in all Greek secular literature kolasis is never used of anything but remedial punishment.6

Thomas Talbott, philosophy professor at Willamette University in Oregon and author of The Inescapable Love of God, explained:
According to Aristotle, there is a difference between revenge and punishment; the latter (kolasis) is inflicted in the interest of the sufferer, the former (timōria) in the interest of him who inflicts it, that he may obtain satisfaction. Plato also appealed to the established meaning of kolasis as support for his theory that virtue could be taught: “For if you will consider punishment (kolasis)…and what control it has over wrong-doers, the facts will inform you that men agree in regarding virtue as procured.” Even where a punishment may seem harsh and unforgiving, more like retribution than parental chastisement, this in no way excludes a corrective purpose. Check out the punishment that Paul prescribes in I Corinthians 5:5. One might never have guessed that, in prescribing such a punishment—that is, delivering a man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh—Paul had in mind a corrective purpose, had Paul not explicitly stated the corrective purpose himself (“that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus”). So as this text illustrates, even harsh punishment of a seemingly retributive kind can in fact serve a redemptive purpose.7-9
“And these will go away into everlasting [aionian] punishment [kolasis], but the righteous into eternal [aionian] life”(Mt. 25:46). Isn’t it ironic that the passage most often used to support everlasting punishment is in fact one strongly opposing it when accurately understood?

Dr. Helena Keizer is a trustworthy authority on the definition of aiōn in ancient Greek literature, including the Bible in the time of Christ. Keizer published a 315-page doctoral dissertation titled: “Life, Time, Entirety – A Study of Aiōn in Greek Literature and Philosophy, the Septuagint and Philo.” Presented on September 7, 1999 in Holland, at Amsterdam University. Keizer stated:
“Olām and hence aiōn in the Biblical sense is time constituting the human temporal horizon.”29 “Our study has led to the conclusion that infinity is not an intrinsic or necessary connotation of aiōn, either in the Greek or in the Biblical usage (‘olām).”30 “To speak of ‘this aiōn’, its ‘end,’ and ‘the aiōn to come’ clearly lends to aiōn the meaning of a limited time.”31 “The following description of Gregory of Nyssa…makes a good finishing point for now: ‘Aeon designates temporality, that which occurs within time.’”32
I am pleased to say that Dr. Keizer has given me permission to share her book with others in electronic format.

Terms for Eternity is another scholarly work on aiōn by David Konstan and Ilaria Ramelli. Konstan is the John Rowe Workman Distinguished Professor of Classics and Professor of Comparative Literature, at Brown University in R.I. Ramelli is Assistant Professor of Ancient Philosophy at the Catholic University of Milan, Italy. They agree with the conclusions of Dr. Keizer. They wrote:
“Apart from the Platonic philosophical vocabulary, which is specific to few authors, aiónios does not mean “eternal”; it acquires this meaning only when it refers to God, and only because the notion of eternity was included in the conception of God: for the rest, it has a wide range of meanings and its possible renderings are multiple, but it does not mean “eternal.” In particular when it is associated with life or punishment, in the Bible and in Christian authors who keep themselves close to the Biblical usage, it denotes their belonging to the world to come.” (Page 238)
These scholarly works are important, as the key defense of eternal punishment depends on this word meaning absolute eternity. For more on the meaning of aiōn, see our website: HopeBeyondHell.net; Further Study; Eternity, and Church History

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Your post is very supportive to the variable meanings of the term aion/ aionios. There are quite a few scholars out there who agree that when applied to a temporal thing, it can only have a temporal meaning. Most of them from the SDA camp. I was questioned about how many years of study I've had in Koine Greek and here you've presented Phd's in language, philosophy AND ancient Greek (necessary to study the Septuagent), yet this is not enough for some.
This was the point I made; even if Billy Graham came out and made this claim, it wouldn't be good enough. Some seem to relish in the idea of eternal torture - wow! "They are gonna get theirs ... I can't wait ... go get em God!" I don't believe this is the justice and character that God has displayed in our history.
Thanks for your input. Ronald

 

[Cocoafrost]

When you go to a website that does not believe in hell, you will find only information which supports that view. The ancient Jews believed in a place of unending conscious punishment and they called it both Sheol and Gehenna.

Jewish Encyclopedia, GEHENNA
by : Kaufmann Kohler Ludwig Blau

The place where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch was originally in the "valley of the son of Hinnom," to the south of Jerusalem (Josh. xv. 8, passim; II Kings xxiii. 10; Jer. ii. 23; vii. 31-32; xix. 6, 13-14). For this reason the valley was deemed to be accursed, and "Gehenna" therefore soon became a figurative equivalent for "hell." Hell, like paradise, was created by God (Sotah 22a); [Note, this is according to the ancient Jews, long before the Christian era, NOT the bias of Christian translators.] according to Gen. R. ix. 9, the words "very good" in Gen. i. 31 refer to hell; hence the latter must have been created on the sixth day.
. . .
As mentioned above, heretics and the Roman oppressors go to Gehenna, and the same fate awaits the Persians, the oppressors of the Babylonian Jews (Ber. 8b). When Nebuchadnezzar descended into hell, [Sheol] all its inhabitants were afraid that he was coming to rule over them (Shab. 149a; comp. Isa. xiv. 9-10). The Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity" (Judith xvi. 17). The sinners in Gehenna will be filled with pain when God puts back the souls into the dead bodies on the Day of Judgment, according to Isa. xxxiii. 11 (Sanh. 108b). Enoch also holds (xlviii. 9) that the sinners will disappear like chaff before the faces of the elect. There will be no Gehenna in the future world, however, for God will take the sun out of its case, and it will heal the pious with its rays and will punish the sinners (Ned. 8b).

Jewish Encyclopedia Online
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I think you are missing important elements contained in that resource and definition. Chiefly the references to the heathens that are the one's described to suffer such a fate as the fire and torment.
These references found beneath the Judgment heading.

The fire of Gehenna does not touch the Jewish sinners because they confess their sins before the gates of hell and return to God ('Er. 19a)



Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity"

 

[Raimi Stranger]

At least, according to the Bible.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. This is good news for those whose Lord is Jesus Christ. Rather bad news for those who reject Jesus Christ, since they will not receive eternal life, not in hell being tortured, or anywhere else. According to the Bible, The wicked will be destroyed.

The wages of sin is death. Dead means "not alive".
In order to have eternal life, a person has to be "not dead".
In order to be "not dead", a person has to have their sins forgiven, because the wages of sin is death.

the wages of sin are death simply because death alone can free one from sin [Romans 6:7] if one chooses sin over Love in life rejecting Jesus command to Love of all who wish to follow him...

but you have been fooled by the translation, Jesus too was 'destroyed' [Greek; 'apoleia'] in being crucified.... we know he survived destruction by resurrection and it is not different for the many destroyed in Matt 7:13 , countless many are later saved [Rev 7:9-10] ... so your conclusion is false according to the bible , not based upon it at all... we know that billions are destroyed in this earth but saved by the Love in the kingdom come inspiring them to love and be saved BY WORKS [Rev 20:13] after ALL are freed from hell and death [and their destruction with this earth and heavens]

you need to read more scripture perhaps, or to stop sinning so that God can baptise one [as Jesus died to bring the few who are not now destroyed with this earth]...

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

[Der Alte]

I think you are missing important elements contained in that resource and definition. Chiefly the references to the heathens that are the one's described to suffer such a fate as the fire and torment.
These references found beneath the Judgment heading.

The fire of Gehenna does not touch the Jewish sinners because they confess their sins before the gates of hell and return to God ('Er. 19a)

Book of Enoch also says that it is chiefly the heathen who are to be cast into the fiery pool on the Day of Judgment (x. 6, xci. 9, et al.). " The Lord, the Almighty, will punish them on the Day of Judgment by putting fire and worms into their flesh, so that they cry out with pain unto all eternity"

I missed nothing. I was addresssing the assertion that the Jews did not believe in hell. My source proves they did.

 

[Der Alte]

Your post is very supportive to the variable meanings of the term aion/ aionios. There are quite a few scholars out there who agree that when applied to a temporal thing, it can only have a temporal meaning. Most of them from the SDA camp. I was questioned about how many years of study I've had in Koine Greek and here you've presented Phd's in language, philosophy AND ancient Greek (necessary to study the Septuagent), yet this is not enough for some.

Only one person in the post you quoted is said to be "a trustworthy authority on the definition of aiōn in ancient Greek literature, including the Bible" I googled her name, the only information that comes up is the exact same quote on two other websites. A quote on a random website is not authoritative.

The other "scholars" Thomas Talbott, philosophy professor at Willamette University... David Konstan and Ilaria Ramelli. Konstan is the John Rowe Workman Distinguished Professor of Classics and Professor of Comparative Literature, at Brown University ... Ramelli is Assistant Professor of Ancient Philosophy at the Catholic University of Milan, Italy.

If someone wants expert information on the law, they ask a lawyer or law professor, not a professor of philosophy, classics, comparative literature, or ancient philosophy.

This was the point I made; even if Billy Graham came out and made this claim, it wouldn't be good enough. Some seem to relish in the idea of eternal torture - wow! "They are gonna get theirs ... I can't wait ... go get em God!" I don't believe this is the justice and character that God has displayed in our history.
Thanks for your input. Ronald

Personal insults do not make your case.

 

[Cocoafrost]

I missed nothing. I was addresssing the assertion that the Jews did not believe in hell. My source proves they did.

Would you be speaking of Orthodox Judaism?

Hell is completely absent from Judaism.

 

[yogosans14]

Matthew 10:28
King James Version (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Idk if your a JW or SDA, but the Bible makes it clear that the Soul and Body are not the same thing. Now your probably relying on the OT like Ecc 9:5 which the JWs do to support their own beliefs. The Bible says in the last days many would turn away from the truth and go to something they like better. Just because you dont like the idea of Hell doesnt make it true. Watch a NDE of someone going to hell on youtube, it describes how it is in the parable of Lazazrus and the Rich man. They feel torment in a "weeping and gnashing of the teeth" way as in they wish they believed in Jesus Christ and didnt end up here. Its more like a prison, just like regular prison if you dont obey the law your will go to Jail, some with Hell, if you reject God and his ways then you will go to a spiritual prison "hell".

 

[Timothew]

Matthew 10:28
King James Version (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Idk if your a JW or SDA, but the Bible makes it clear that the Soul and Body are not the same thing. Now your probably relying on the OT like Ecc 9:5 which the JWs do to support their own beliefs. The Bible says in the last days many would turn away from the truth and go to something they like better. Just because you dont like the idea of Hell doesnt make it true. Watch a NDE of someone going to hell on youtube, it describes how it is in the parable of Lazazrus and the Rich man. They feel torment in a "weeping and gnashing of the teeth" way as in they wish they believed in Jesus Christ and didnt end up here. Its more like a prison, just like regular prison if you dont obey the law your will go to Jail, some with Hell, if you reject God and his ways then you will go to a spiritual prison "hell".

According to the Bible, in the verse you posted here yourself, body and soul are destroyed in hell, not kept alive forever being tortured in hell.

I don't know if you are Muslim or Mormon, but they also believe in eternal conscious torment in hell. So if JWs or SDAs believe that the wages of sin is death, it is because they read that the wages of sin is death in the Bible. It doesn't make you Mormon or Muslim to believe in eternal torture. It doesn't make us JWs or SDAs if we believe that the wages of sin is death.

I also don't accept Youtube videos as part of the canon of scripture. If a person rejects God's offer of forgiveness through Jesus Christ, they do not receive eternal life. According to the Bible, they go to their second death on Judgment Day.

Whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. Whoever rejects Him will not have eternal life, but will perish.
Read John 3:16
Also Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death (not eternal life being tortured in hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our lord.

Ezekiel 18:4 specifically says, "The who who sins shall die".
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 that the way is wide that leads to destruction. Jesus believed that those who rejected Him would go to destruction, they would perish. Jesus said in Luke 13:3, "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish.

 

[he-man]

According to the Bible, in the verse you posted here yourself, body and soul are destroyed in hell, not kept alive forever being tortured in hell. Ezekiel 18:4 specifically says, "The who who sins shall die".
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 that the way is wide that leads to destruction. Jesus believed that those who rejected Him would go to destruction, they would perish. Jesus said in Luke 13:3, "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish.

Deu 8:20 As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God

Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.

Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

 

[Cocoafrost]

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does the jewish religion belive in any kind of after life?

Hell is completely absent from Judaism. There is no devil in Judaism as it is not possible for an angel to rebel (only humans have free will- angels can only perform specific tasks). What is generally misinterpreted as hell is the concept of Sheol or Gehinnom. This refers to the burning the soul feels at the heavenly trial after death.

Does this process differ between Jews/non-Jews? Nope- it is exactly the same except Jews (all of them- even apostates that converted to other religions) are judged by the law in the Torah and everyone else by the Seven Noachide laws.

What happens to particularly evil people? Here we are moving into the territory of those who are punished with kares (spiritual excision). In its most simplistic understanding this means the soul is eternally cut-off from God, unable to enter into the world to come. But what that means is debated with two main answers:
1) The soul dissipates and is destroyed
2) It is forever outside, looking in and regretting its decisions in life.

Other reading:
Orthodox Judaism/belief

Expert: Rabbi Ari Shishler - 11/2/2009

 

[Timothew]

Deu 8:20 As the nations which the LORD destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the LORD your God

Job 4:8 Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.
9 By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.

Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Exactly, throughout the Bible the message is the same. There is eternal life in God, and no eternal life for those who oppose God.

 

[Timothew]

Yes.

Thanks Der Alter, I'm happy. We can disagree and we usually do, but each of us can state the reasons why we believe as we do.

 

[he-man]

Orthodox Judaism/belief Expert: Rabbi Ari Shishler - 11/2/2009

Bible reading:

Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

23 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:

28 And God rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.

29 The secret things unto the LORD our God: but those revealed unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Deu 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.

Moses believed in the resurrection is shown by the words
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

 

[Der Alte]

Thanks Der Alter, I'm happy. We can disagree and we usually do, but each of us can state the reasons why we believe as we do.

I (almost) always do. I will endeavor to make my objections less confrontational.

 

[Der Alte]

Bible reading:

Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:

23And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:

28 And God rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.

29 The secret things unto the LORD our God: but those revealed unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Deu 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.

Moses believed in the resurrection is shown by the words
Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

This reflects how many, not all, modern orthodox Jews interpret the posted scripture, but it does not address how the Jews at the time of Jesus interpreted them. For that one must consult historical writings such as the Jewish Encyclopedia, Talmud, Mishna, ETC. all available online.

 

[Der Alte]

Would you be speaking of Orthodox Judaism?

Hell is completely absent from Judaism.

Many, not all, modern orhodox Jews do not believe in hell but see my post on a previous page for the historical evidence that Jews before, during and after the time of Jesus did believe in hell. http://www.christianforums.com/t7753112-13/#post63314072

 

[Hillsage]

This was the point I made; even if Billy Graham came out and made this claim, it wouldn't be good enough. Some seem to relish in the idea of eternal torture - wow! "They are gonna get theirs ... I can't wait ... go get em God!" I don't believe this is the justice and character that God has displayed in our history.
Thanks for your input. Ronald

Thanks for your compliment on the people/quotes. It's really sad that some are so indoctrinated that they will still find reason to discount qualified people like that, simply because it disagrees with their church quarterly. But I learned early a very valuable lesson; Always put contrary new information 'back on the shelf' and not just 'throw it into the trash'. Many times I didn't understand simply because I didn't have eyes that could see through the walls of my own doctrinal box.

I don't know how many times I feel like the Spirit has given me a 'revelation never before known to man' ....only to pull out a bible study I read once 5 years earlier. And in it I find 'highlighted with my yellow magic marker' the very thing I just saw, for the first time, with the eyes of my heart finally open.

A recent study I read said that God will never give you a revelation of truth that you are incapable of walking in due to immaturity, because of the opposition He knows you'd receive. And sadly, in so many cases, it is the church that seems to circle the wagons....only to 'shoot IN'. So God kindly protects us from getting a deeper truth. He does so because once you understand it He then has to hold you accountable for it. And I believe that is a scriptural principle.

1 Corinthians 2:6 Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.

1CO 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

And if we are to wonder as to what qualifications he might be talking about we can't help but read the next verse and say; "I see that in every thread."

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

When the church realizes the "unity of the Spirit" 'of God' really has little to do with 'conformity to doctrines' 'of men' it just might grow a bit more fruit of the spirit...for all the world to 'taste and see that the Lord is GOOD.'

 

[Cocoafrost]

Many, not all, modern orhodox Jews do not believe in hell but see my post on a previous page for the historical evidence that Jews before, during and after the time of Jesus did believe in hell. http://www.christianforums.com/t7753112-13/#post63314072

Yes, I saw that. Please scroll down and read the excerpts you missed that explain what they believed about Hell. Which does not apply to them but to others, as described in those excerpts.

The link I provided in this discussion a few posts back and from the source, all experts, states that Hell is completely absent from Judaism.

I take a Jew to mean in saying that that they are referring to their faith in it's entirety. Judaism. Be it orthodox or other, and as is considered when speaking of the Jewish people. Whereas the prior link mentioned speaks of that faith as applying to other than the Jews.

Of course there is a Jewish forum at this community site, right? I'll invite someone from there to speak to the issue. Perhaps it will assist all of us if they care to share their understanding.

 

[Der Alte]

Yes, I saw that. Please scroll down and read the excerpts you missed that explain what they believed about Hell. Which does not apply to them but to others, as described in those excerpts.

Did you read my response to your post? What you are posting is what current day Jews believe, not what Jews believed in the time of Jesus.

The link I provided in this discussion a few posts back and from the source, all experts, states that Hell is completely absent from Judaism.

What modern day Jews believe about hell is irrelevant.

I take a Jew to mean in saying that that they are referring to their faith in it's entirety. Judaism. Be it orthodox or other, and as is considered when speaking of the Jewish people. Whereas the prior link mentioned speaks of that faith as applying to other than the Jews.

Then you did not read it because what I quoted and highlighted in red applied to Jews as well as non-Jews.

Of course there is a Jewish forum at this community site, right? I'll invite someone from there to speak to the issue. Perhaps it will assist all of us if they care to share their understanding.

What they say will only be relevant if it is credible, verifiable, historical evidence abolut Jewish bleif in hell during the first century in Israel. Here is such evidence from the Talmud.

Talmud -Tractate Rosh Hashanah Chapter 1.

R. Kruspedai said in the name of R. Johanan: Three books are opened on New Year's Day: one for the utterly wicked, one for the wholly good, and one for the average class of people. The wholly righteous are at once inscribed, and life is decreed for them; the entirely wicked are at once inscribed, and destruction destined for them; the average class are held in the balance from New Year's Day till the Day of Atonement; if they prove themselves worthy they are inscribed for life, if not they are inscribed for destruction. Said R. Abhin: Whence this teaching? From the passage [Psalms, lxix. 29]: "Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and they shall not be written down with the righteous."

We have learned in a Boraitha: The school of Shammai said: There are three divisions of mankind at the Resurrection: the wholly righteous, the utterly wicked, and the average class. The wholly righteous are at once inscribed, and life is decreed for them; the utterly wicked are at once inscribed, and destined for Gehenna, as we read [Dan. xii. 2]: "And many of them that sleep in the dust shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." The third class, the men between the former two, descend to Gehenna, but they weep and come up again, in accordance with the passage [Zech. xiii. 9]: "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and I will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried; and he shall call on My name, and I will answer him." Concerning this last class of men Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 6]: "The Lord causeth to die and maketh alive, He bringeth down to the grave and bringeth up again."

The school of Hillel says: The Merciful One inclines (the scale of justice) to the side of mercy, and of this third class of men David says [Psalms, cxvi. 1]: "It is lovely to me that the Lord heareth my voice"; in fact, David applies to them the Psalm mentioned down to the words, "Thou hast delivered my soul from death" [ibid. 8].

Transgressors of Jewish birth and also of non-Jewish birth, who sin with their body descend to Gehenna, and are judged there for twelve months; after that time their bodies are destroyed and burnt, and the winds scatter their ashes under the soles of the feet of the righteous, as we read [Mal. iii. 23]: "And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be as ashes under the soles of your feet"; but as for Minim, [follower of Jesus] informers and disbelievers, who deny the Torah, or Resurrection, or separate themselves from the congregation, or who inspire their fellowmen with dread of them, or who sin and cause others to sin, as did Jeroboam the son of Nebat and his followers, they all descend to Gehenna, and are judged there from generation to generation, as it is said [Isa. lxvi. 24]: "And they shall go forth and look upon the carcases of the men who have transgressed against Me; for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched." Even when Gehenna will be destroyed, they will not be consumed, as it is written [Psalms, xlix. 15]: "And their forms wasteth away in the nether world," which the sages comment upon to mean that their forms shall endure even when the grave is no more. Concerning them Hannah says [I Sam. ii. 10]: "The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces." R. Itz'hac b. Abhin says: "Their faces are black like the sides of a caldron"; while Rabha remarked: "Those who are now the handsomest of the people of Me'huzza will yet be called the children of Gehenna."

Tract Rosh Hashana: Chapter I.​

 

[yogosans14]

According to the Bible, in the verse you posted here yourself, body and soul are destroyed in hell, not kept alive forever being tortured in hell.

I don't know if you are Muslim or Mormon, but they also believe in eternal conscious torment in hell. So if JWs or SDAs believe that the wages of sin is death, it is because they read that the wages of sin is death in the Bible. It doesn't make you Mormon or Muslim to believe in eternal torture. It doesn't make us JWs or SDAs if we believe that the wages of sin is death.

I also don't accept Youtube videos as part of the canon of scripture. If a person rejects God's offer of forgiveness through Jesus Christ, they do not receive eternal life. According to the Bible, they go to their second death on Judgment Day.

Whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life. Whoever rejects Him will not have eternal life, but will perish.
Read John 3:16
Also Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is death (not eternal life being tortured in hell), but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our lord.

Ezekiel 18:4 specifically says, "The who who sins shall die".
Jesus said in Matthew 7:13 that the way is wide that leads to destruction. Jesus believed that those who rejected Him would go to destruction, they would perish. Jesus said in Luke 13:3, "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish.

The early Church fathers taught Hell, read the early church fathers writings. In matthew 16:18 Jesus said his Church would never fall into apostasy, so I believe the early Church was guided by the holy Spirit. So thus jesus taught hell, its true.