Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[bugkiller]

If a contract or agreement is fulfilled it is finished! (unless of course a new one is started)

but...is a contract fulfilled by one party or both parties?
and does even a 'fulfilled' contract put an end on rules that existed before the contract?
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All of these questions are actually not even necessary, because Yeshua is talking about the Law of God in Matthew 5:17-19 and NOT any contracts

Yeshua came to correctly do and teach God's commandments!

Did you ask some one recently if they read what they write?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Well yet another point we agree on.

I say we restart our CF friendship and try to reason together with Scripture.
I think it's possible no matter our differences.

--I will drop the sarcasm and cynicism I know I'm guilty of at times and will really try to discuss this out.
Waddayasay?

What on earth are you talking about?

bugkiller

 

[MamaZ]

Against Gods law is, against God.
In God the law is fulfilled.
By God. Who is against God, claiming to be for God?

If God is the law fulfilled, who is against Gods law? Those that abide in Gods law perfectly(by the grace of God)? or those that reject Gods law?

So you believe that the law of God meaning the old covenant is what is put in our hearts?

 

[MamaZ]

Good day bugkiller. Jesus here is not speaking against the law. To do so would be saying, "God says this, but I say this." This can not be! Jesus here is speaking of the true intent of the law, not the letter. He is speaking against the oral tradition of the leaders in that day.

Jesus is speaking to non believers when He says this. Read who He was speaking to. These were the Pharasees abd hypocrites He was speaking too that were raised in the law and thought they did not need repentance. Those who rejected Christ.

 

[MoreCoffee]

1,439 posts ... as long as a Protestant bible with apocrypha! Got a solution yet?

Do you believe that all of God's Word, from Genesis through Revelation is profitable for our training and instruction in righteousness?

Not even talking about any OBLIGATION...simply profitable and good for training and instruction in righteous living...

One's beliefs do not make a sound debating point

 

[Leuko Petra]

What happens when a contract is fulfilled?

bugkiller

What happens when a person pulls up to a Stop Sign and Stops, thus fulfilling the Stop Sign. Nobody ever needs to stop at it again, right or wrong?

Is it a Law to Stop at the Stop Sign or is it a Contract?

The Ten Commandments are not a contract, they are the rule of Life.

A Contract is an agreement between two or more parties about something.

 

[bugkiller]

What happens when a person pulls up to a Stop Sign and Stops, thus fulfilling the Stop Sign. Nobody ever needs to stop at it again, right or wrong?

Is it a Law to Stop at the Stop Sign or is it a Contract?

The Ten Commandments are not a contract, they are the rule of Life.

A Contract is an agreement between two or more parties about something.

The 10 Cs is a by-lateral covenant of obligation called a contract these days. And both were agreed to by the COI and God, Who issued them. Deut 5 I believe the COI's agreement is found in Ex close to chapter 20.

bugkiller

 

[astein]

What happens when a contract is fulfilled?

bugkiller

Abide in it by God alone. As according to the gosepls. One is only able to abide in it "fully", by the One that fulfills it completely. And only with God, can it be abided in. God is love. Love is the fulfilling.

 

[astein]

I have also asked that question. I have also supported an answer with Scripture to prove it was not man made law of Moses only to be disrgarded and trampled like trash at the land fill.

bugkiller

One must accept the whole gospel.

Luke 16:27-31 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[astein]

So you believe that the law of God meaning the old covenant is what is put in our hearts?

One has to agree with the Spirit of God in order to understand that God is love. All of the 10 commandments are fulfilled in love. Love for God, fully; and love thy neighbor as thyself. Dismissing the 10 commandments is an error. The 10 commandments are about love. God is love.

 

[bugkiller]

One's beliefs do not make a sound debating point

I find it very interesting that he asks you about what you believe as though he believes what he is asking when he clearly does not.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Abide in it by God alone. As according to the gosepls. One is only able to abide in it "fully", by the One that fulfills it completely. And only with God, can it be abided in. God is love. Love is the fulfilling.

What does this have to do with my post? You have a communication failure. Perhaps it was the time of the post.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

One must accept the whole gospel.

Luke 16:27-31 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Are you trying to say the law is part of the Gospel and Christians are obigated to it?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

One has to agree with the Spirit of God in order to understand that God is love. All of the 10 commandments are fulfilled in love. Love for God, fully; and love thy neighbor as thyself. Dismissing the 10 commandments is an error. The 10 commandments are about love. God is love.

And does that Spirit lead us back into bondage?

bugkiller

 

[MoreCoffee]

I find it very interesting that he asks you about what you believe as though he believes what he is asking when he clearly does not.

bugkiller

When a chap has run out of reasoned argument expect to see the discussion turn to personal matters ... do you believe this, how about that? It's one of the forms of ad hominem.

Had he asked what the Catholic Church teaches I would have given him an answer while pointing out that it was a diversion.

 

[bugkiller]

When a chap has run out of reasoned argument expect to see the discussion turn to personal matters ... do you believe this, how about that? It's one of the forms of ad hominem.

Had he asked what the Catholic Church teaches I would have given him an answer while pointing out that it was a diversion.

I do not think so. I merely pointed out that he says two different things that oppose each other. I provided a short version opposed to a long post no one would read.

bugkiller

 

[astein]

What does this have to do with my post? You have a communication failure. Perhaps it was the time of the post.

bugkiller

Agree or disagree?

 

[astein]

And does that Spirit lead us back into bondage?

bugkiller

It certainly leads all the wicked into bondage. Considering all the wicked reject God.

The Holy Spirit is freedom itself. The Holy Spirit is love. Love is of God alone, regardless of how many definitions one wants to disburse it. The Holy Spirit abides in Love and Love is God and the 10 commandments perfectly abided in love, in God. Love God. Love thy neighbor. Agree?

 

[bugkiller]

Agree or disagree?

To what?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It certainly leads all the wicked into bondage. Considering all the wicked reject God.

The Holy Spirit is freedom itself. The Holy Spirit is love. Love is of God alone, regardless of how many definitions one wants to disburse it. The Holy Spirit abides in Love and Love is God and the 10 commandments perfectly abided in love, in God. Love God. Love thy neighbor. Agree?

I disagree wih your logic. I disagree that the Holy Spirit leads one back to the law. You should read Gal 5 on the subject.

bugkiller