Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[MoreCoffee]

Round and round we go!!

I find it quite interesting that God would take the time to emphasize "REMEMBER the Sabbath day"... when He issued the instructions regarding His Holy day...

It almost seems prophetic.
As if He KNEW that many would try to make His people FORGET or (change) His Holy Day...

He was up to something for sure
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This makes even more sense when you look at Daniel 7:25 where Daniel describes the Anti-Messiah as someone who will come to specifically do 4 things."(1)He will speak out against the Most High and (2)wear down the saints of the Highest One, and (3)he will intend to make alterations in times and in (4)Law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time."

 

[bugkiller]

I find it quite interesting that God would take the time to emphasize "REMEMBER the Sabbath day"... when He issued the instructions regarding His Holy day...

It almost seems prophetic.
As if He KNEW that many would try to make His people FORGET or (change) His Holy Day...

He was up to something for sure
--

This makes even more sense when you look at Daniel 7:25 where Daniel describes the Anti-Messiah as someone who will come to specifically do 4 things."(1)He will speak out against the Most High and (2)wear down the saints of the Highest One, and (3)he will intend to make alterations in times and in (4)Law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time."

I find it most interesting that such is issued to a select group of people know as Israelites. It seems to be implied it was given to the whle world.

Is this above bolded passage not what you are doing? It does seem that you are saying those disagreeing with you are not the saints of the Highest One.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

1. How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2. But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and in His law he meditates day and night.
3. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in its season and its leaf does not wither; and in whatever he does, he prospers.
4. The wicked are not so, but they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
5. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.
6. For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.

Psalm 1 single-handedly disproves your above post.

No sir it does not. It only proves your position is opposed to the NC found recorded in the NT.

bugkiller

 

[tzadik]

Round and round we go!!

I love the narrating of the OP...

 

[tzadik]

I find it most interesting that such is issued to a select group of people know as Israelites. It seems to be implied it was given to the whle world.

You mean the same select group that the New Covenant is made with? Almost EVERYTHING that was given to "Christians" was given through Israel...down to the Messiah!

Is this above bolded passage not what you are doing? It does seem that you are saying those disagreeing with you are not the saints of the Highest One.

Don't assume what I am doing....as I was simply quoting Scripture.
Scripture states that the Anti-Christ will try to make changes to God's Laws and His Holy days...does it not?

 

[tzadik]

No sir it does not. It only proves your position is opposed to the NC found recorded in the NT.

bugkiller

As well as how your position deems 2/3rd of the Word of God as un-applicable to you.
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Quite interesting how...my position requires one to understand the "NT" in the light of the "OT" (as Yeshua and ALL of His followers did)

Your position on the other hand requires one to throw away the "OT" and cling to a "NT" interpretation that not only contradicts the "OT" but cannot stand when compared to the Law and the Prophets.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee
Round and round we go!!

I love the narrating of the OP...

Had to go waaaaayyyy back to find out what the OP said:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7739478-101/

Decided to keep the fourth commandment

As a Christian, I believe that keeping God's holy law does not save a person from their sins. Only the blood of Christ can do that. But I also believe that the blood of Christ does not give us a license to insult God's mercy by violating the Ten Commandments.

If, to our amazement, the government declared that the Ten Commandments would be taught in public schools, I don't think any Christian would say, "No, we're not under the law, we don't need the Ten Commandments." However, this is the exact attitude that Christians have whenever the fourth commandment is brought up. If only nine of the Ten Commandments were taught in public schools, would that make Christians more comfortable?

And yes, I'm aware of all the verses that are used to argue against the Sabbath. But whether we like it or not, the Sabbath is still a commandment of God, and the Bible does actually teach that those who trample the blood of Christ will not enter heaven. I think to be on the safe side we should honor the Sabbath commandment, just as we would honor the other none commandments.

Lemme see ... folks said

• You gotta keep sabbath
• No we don't
• Yes you do
• No we don't 'cause the law covenant is old and over
• Yes you do 'cause the ten commandments are written in stone
• No we don't 'cause the ten commandments written in stone is the ministry of death!
• Yes you do 'cause God wrote them with his own finger!
• No we don't 'cause the bible says the old covenant is abrogated
• Yes you do 'cause the ten commandments are eternal
• No we don't 'cause the ten commandments are part of the law and can't be eternal
• Yes you do 'cause we said so in all our previous posts
• No we don't 'cause we're under grace not under the law
• Yes you do 'cause you can't just go around sinning willy nilly
• No we don't 'cause we're in a new covenant sealed in Jesus precious blood and besides we don't go around sinning willy nilly 'cause the Spirit leads us into all righteousness
• Yes you do 'cause ....
• No ...
• Yes ...
• No ...

Anything new to add?

Not from me me ehehe





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[MoreCoffee]

I love the narrating of the OP...

Lemme see ... folks said

• You gotta keep sabbath
• No we don't
• Yes you do
• No we don't 'cause the law covenant is old and over
• Yes you do 'cause the ten commandments are written in stone
• No we don't 'cause the ten commandments written in stone is the ministry of death!
• Yes you do 'cause God wrote them with his own finger!
• No we don't 'cause the bible says the old covenant is abrogated
• Yes you do 'cause the ten commandments are eternal
• No we don't 'cause the ten commandments are part of the law and can't be eternal
• Yes you do 'cause we said so in all our previous posts
• No we don't 'cause we're under grace not under the law
• Yes you do 'cause you can't just go around sinning willy nilly
• No we don't 'cause we're in a new covenant sealed in Jesus precious blood and besides we don't go around sinning willy nilly 'cause the Spirit leads us into all righteousness
• Yes you do 'cause ....
• No ...
• Yes ...
• No ...

Anything new to add?

 

[Stryder06]

Lemme see ... folks said

• You gotta keep sabbath
• No we don't
• Yes you do
• No we don't 'cause the law covenant is old and over
• Yes you do 'cause the ten commandments are written in stone
• No we don't 'cause the ten commandments written in stone is the ministry of death!
• Yes you do 'cause God wrote them with his own finger!
• No we don't 'cause the bible says the old covenant is abrogated
• Yes you do 'cause the ten commandments are eternal
• No we don't 'cause the ten commandments are part of the law and can't be eternal
• Yes you do 'cause we said so in all our previous posts
• No we don't 'cause we're under grace not under the law
• Yes you do 'cause you can't just go around sinning willy nilly
• No we don't 'cause we're in a new covenant sealed in Jesus precious blood and besides we don't go around sinning willy nilly 'cause the Spirit leads us into all righteousness
• Yes you do 'cause ....
• No ...
• Yes ...
• No ...

Anything new to add?

I think you missed the part about the law being perfect, liberty, and love

 

[tzadik]

I think you missed the part about the law being perfect, liberty, and love

Not to mention HOLY, Spiritual and the very Word of God.

I however totally understand their POV...I used to see that Law of God as a burdensome, heavy yoke that was just terrible and sooo hard to bear.

God has to open the eyes...He is the one that lifts the veil, in His time

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think you missed the part about the law being perfect, liberty, and love

It's covered in the ellipsis points

 

[Stryder06]

I see, but since you're a man and so are your interlocutors (speaking generically) how can anybody ever know what it's crystal clear words mean if we're all doing the "man's usage of the sacred text" thing?

By allowing the Spirit to lead them. Sidenote - whenever I attribute confusion or uncertainty to man, I do so implying that the words spoken are devoid of the Spirit's power.

 

[Stryder06]

It's covered in the ellipsis points

I bet

 

[MoreCoffee]

I see, but since you're a man and so are your interlocutors (speaking generically) how can anybody ever know what it's crystal clear words mean if we're all doing the "man's usage of the sacred text" thing?

By allowing the Spirit to lead them. Sidenote - whenever I attribute confusion or uncertainty to man, I do so implying that the words spoken are devoid of the Spirit's power.

Your interlocutors have the Spirit of God, do they not, or is it just you that enjoys that privilege?

 

[Stryder06]

Not to mention HOLY, Spiritual and the very Word of God.

I however totally understand their POV...I used to see that Law of God as a burdensome, heavy yoke that was just terrible and sooo hard to bear.

God has to open the eyes...He is the one that lifts the veil, in His time

 

[MoreCoffee]

I bet

Isn't gambling a sin?

 

[Clare73]

For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified (Romans 2:13).

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city (Revelation 22:14).

The law of Christ (1Co 9:21; Gal 6:2) which is love (Gal 5:6, 14; Jas 2:8; Ro 13:8-10), with no curse,

is not the law of Moses, which includes the Ten Commandments with a curse.

 

[Stryder06]

Your interlocutors have the Spirit of God, do they not, or is it just you that enjoys that privilege?

I would like to think so. Considering that the work of the Spirit takes time, one can't say that profession of error is evidence of the absence of the Spirit. What one can do however is determine if the teaching being espoused is or isn't from the Spirit by comparing it to what the scripture says.

There's a reason why I've been bringing up Isa 8:20 so often

 

[Stryder06]

Isn't gambling a sin?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Your interlocutors have the Spirit of God, do they not, or is it just you that enjoys that privilege?

I would like to think so. Considering that the work of the Spirit takes time, one can't say that profession of error is evidence of the absence of the Spirit. What one can do however is determine if the teaching being espoused is or isn't from the Spirit by comparing it to what the scripture says.

There's a reason why I've been bringing up Isa 8:20 so often

Isaiah 8:19-20 Now if people say to you, 'Consult the ghosts and the familiar spirits that chirp and mutter; should not a people consult their gods, the dead on behalf of the living, (20) for teaching and for instruction?' surely, those who speak like this will have no dawn!

Round and round we go