Does a GLOBAL FLOOD truly seem like the BEST explanation for seashells on mountains?

[Joshua0]

Why did you lie and post an attribution to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

I did not post that. You posted that link, not me.

 

[KWCrazy]

I have NEVER "said that specific miracles in the Bible were false." I have never denied ANY miracle in the Bible.

You're the only person I've met in a long time who lies about lying. I should go back and accumulate a list, only that would mean reading your posts again.

Naaaah. Not worth it.
It's just good to know that you no longer dispute the 6 day creation, the Great Flood, or any other miracle in the Bible that you denied earlier. I presume you're retracting the lie about Adam and Eve having parents as well. That was a good one.

 

[freezerman2000]

see all this proves the untrustworthyness of the dating method. You claim that the samples must be "pure" and free of zenoliths (intrusions of older rock), however there are no "pure" lava flows. The parent and daughter isotopes present fluctuates throughout an eruption, so technically the date changes. the early flow may have more iron, and the later flows may have more magnesium for example, thus altering the date entirely (parent and daughter isotope fluctiation).

check out more here:

from the university of north carolina at chapel hill:


https://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html

Who posted what?

 

[Joshua0]

Then you need to supply evidence for a global flood 65 million years ago.

That is what the Bible says:

The floodgates of the heavens are opened,
the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken up,
the earth is split asunder,
the earth is violently shaken.
20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls—never to rise again.

What part are you having a problem with? The "floodgates" or the "split asunder"? Pangaea was one land mass. It is now broken up into continents by WATER. The proof is pretty much obvious. If water had not broken up Pangaea then water would not still be there today dividing Pangaea into separate land masses.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Noah's flood is a shadow of the flood that destroyed the world back at the time of the dinosaurs. Before Satan had been thrown down to the Earth there was no violence in the earth. Then Satan corrupted the earth and the animals began to bite and devour one another.

I actually basically agree with this. There are many flood theories. Mine begins with belief in the supernatural, the biblical account, and the geologic and fossil record.

 

[Joshua0]

Who posted what?

I do not know who posted the link. I clicked on the link and I found a quote from a college text book.

 

[freezerman2000]

mystery theater

 

[Joshua0]

Genesis 1:1, then immediately go to Jude.

The problem with Gen 1:1 is the *. That is the word that is NOT translated that talks about the relationship between God and His Creation. It really takes the rest of the Bible to explain that *, or the relationship between Creation and Creator.

1:1 In the beginning God created * the heaven and the earth.

 

[TheBear]

The earth was split in half? When did that happen? Does this fit in with Dad's model of the split? Does it agree with AV's model of embedded age?

Many Muslims have a similar story about the moon!

Hmmm... I see a pattern...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The problem with Gen 1:1 is the *. That is the word that is NOT translated that talks about the relationship between God and His Creation. It really takes the rest of the Bible to explain that *, or the relationship between Creation and Creator.

1:1 In the beginning God created * the heaven and the earth.

I take it to mean that God brought the universe into being miraculously by the word of His power. What interests me is why he did so. For that you read Jude.

 

[Herman Hedning]

Joshua0 and others, are you aware that Pangaea only is the latest of the supercontinent configurations, and that there most likely have been five others before that? (Ur, Kenorland, Columbia, Rodinia, Pannotia)

Does this mean that there have been several world-wide floods initiated by the bible god to break up the continents?

 

[Joshua0]

Does this mean that there have been several world-wide floods initiated by the bible god to break up the continents?

I am aware that the earth has a 4.5 billion year history. But we are just talking about the last 64 million years right now. The point in time when Creation began to bite and devour itself. I am sure that at some point in time I will need to get in and study what your talking about. It is a lot more easy to study the last 12,900 years, then it is to study the last 4.5 billion years. A lot has taken place in the history of this earth.

 

[Joshua0]

I take it to mean that God brought the universe into being miraculously by the word of His power. What interests me is why he did so. For that you read Jude.

Where does Jude tell us why God brought the universe into being? Jude does talk about how: "the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." So we do see God has a plan to restore the universe. The battle right now is mostly here on the Earth. This is a time of testing to see who will follow the angels in their rebellion and who will remain faithful to God. To maintain holiness and purity before Him.

 

[Joshua0]

The earth was split in half?

In verse 5 we read: "The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant." Because they have broken their covenant with God, the Earth is broken. Then in vs 19 we read: "The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken."

The science of Geology began as a study of the Earth to understand just what this means that "the earth is broken up". Plate Tectonics began as a theory to explain this. Even though Plate Tectonics began as a Creationist theory, over the years plate tectonics has been widely accepted by Science. Of course minor details are still being worked out. Still this is a very well established and accepted theory at this point in time. Evolutionist and Creationist both accept plate tectonics.

 

[createdtoworship]

Who posted what?

that was an article by David Plaisted, who works at the University of North Carolina and the State of North Carolina.

He also has a lot of creationist works which do not represent the university or the government of the state.

 

[createdtoworship]

Instead of trying to deceive readers into thinking that these ideas come with the authority of "the university of north carolina at chapel hill" [sic], why don't you simply admit to readers that you are quoting a computer science professor there who happens to post his creationist geology nonsense on the university website? His personal opinions about a topic unrelated to his teaching duties there are in NO WAY reflective of the university.

Your dishonesty continues to amaze me! And as a follower of Christ, I'm saddened that you so continually endeavor to associate such tactics with an alleged Christian agenda.

I already posted that information, so it was not a lie. Again, another misinformation on your part.

however, it is not a good idea to use ones servers for a personal agenda, that is not a good idea.

Maybe you should email Him and create a nice conversation with Him as you are here, instead of talking about him behind His back.

Doesn't the bible say not to gossip?

He who goes about as a talebearer reveals secrets, But he who is trustworthy conceals a matter.

Proverbs 16:28 - It separates friends


A perverse man spreads strife, And a slanderer separates intimate friends.

James 4:11 - God is the only true judge


Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother, or judges his brother, speaks against the law, and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge of it.

Philippians 4:8 - Dwell on things worthy of praise


Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things.

Ephesians 4:29 - Watch what you say


Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Spiritual Growth Tips

Titus 3:2 - Be gentle


to malign no one, to be uncontentious, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.

Proverbs 15:1 - Be careful not to stir up anger


A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

Bible Verses on Anger

1 Timothy 5:13 - Gossips and Busybodies


And at the same time they also learn to be idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper to mention.

Luke 6:31 - The Golden Rule


"And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.

James 3:5-7 - #10 Control the tongue

 

[brinny]

I'm always amazed when young earth creationists tell me that this is OBVIOUSLY a "proof" of Noah's Flood. But I would really like to know if that sounds like "common sense" to anyone.

I've also wondered this: Does it seem likely that a FLOOD would leave behind the same kind of environment as an ancient ocean or lake?

Also, if these observation and evidence are "obvious", why are young earth creationists never able to use that evidence to identify THE GEOLOGIC STRATA OF THE GLOBAL FLOOD? That is, if the flood evidence is easy to see, why can't the strata location be named so that I know where I can find the flood evidence wherever I happen to be in the world?

There are sea shells on mountains?

 

[KWCrazy]

In verse 5 we read: "The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant." Because they have broken their covenant with God, the Earth is broken. Then in vs 19 we read: "The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken."

In what translation is that, because I can't find anything like it in the book of Jude.
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

19 These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit.

 

[KWCrazy]

There are sea shells on mountains?

Yes, which prove the flood was not global, but a local one only coveing a small patch of ground. Noah actually escaped on a wave runner.

 

[brinny]

In verse 5 we read: "The earth is defiled by its people; they have disobeyed the laws, violated the statutes and broken the everlasting covenant." Because they have broken their covenant with God, the Earth is broken. Then in vs 19 we read: "The earth is broken up, the earth is split asunder, the earth is violently shaken."

The science of Geology began as a study of the Earth to understand just what this means that "the earth is broken up". Plate Tectonics began as a theory to explain this. Even though Plate Tectonics began as a Creationist theory, over the years plate tectonics has been widely accepted by Science. Of course minor details are still being worked out. Still this is a very well established and accepted theory at this point in time. Evolutionist and Creationist both accept plate tectonics.

wow, the earth shaking (earth quakes) reminds me of the earth literally "vomiting"...isn't that spoken of somewhere in the Bible? (about the earth vomiting)