Do you believe in hell?

[Jothman]

Do you believe in hell? Yes or no and why.

 

[HalupkiMonster]

Not "hell" as a fiery place sinners go.

I believe in what I've taken from the Bible and Church tradition to be hell.

When we die, we'll be with God. His love will pour out upon us. To those of us who have loved and served Him, it will feel wonderful to be in union with Him. To those of us who have hated or avoided Him, it will be terribly uncomfortable and bad. This is hell.

 

[Thunder Peel]

Yes, I believe it's a real place and the Bible clearly states this. Those who reject Christ will spend eternity there.

 

[Jothman]

Yes, I believe it's a real place and the Bible clearly states this. Those who reject Christ will spend eternity there.

Show multiple examples of this then please. Does this ever come from Jesus's mouth? I'm asking for this because Judaism teaches of no such place, nor an in-depth heaven, but one would think if there was a place of eternal punishment he would have warned his "chosen people" of the place so their "souls" shall be saved.

 

[HalupkiMonster]

Yes, I believe it's a real place and the Bible clearly states this. Those who reject Christ will spend eternity there.

Show multiple examples of this then please. Does this ever come from Jesus's mouth? I'm asking for this because Judaism teaches of no such place, nor an in-depth heaven, but one would think if there was a place of eternal punishment he would have warned his "chosen people" of the place so their "souls" shall be saved.

The traditional Christian idea of what some call hell, which I have stated in my post, comes from the Jewish idea of "Olam Haba." This is the most Biblical (and the most traditionally taught and accepted) "hell," if we must call it that.

"The Jewish Afterlife" - Jew in the City, Episode 7 - YouTube

 

[Inkachu]

Of course. Why? Because the Bible mentions it dozens of times, and describes it in horrific detail, more than once.

Matthew 5:22 ..."And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire."

Matthew 5:29 "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as fit for hell as you are!"

Luke 12:5 "But I will show you the One to fear: Fear Him who has authority to throw people into hell after death. Yes, I say to you, this is the One to fear!"

Revelation 20:14-15 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Matthew 13:42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Sketcher]

Jesus and the Apostles taught it, I believe in it.

 

[Thunder Peel]

Show multiple examples of this then please. Does this ever come from Jesus's mouth? I'm asking for this because Judaism teaches of no such place, nor an in-depth heaven, but one would think if there was a place of eternal punishment he would have warned his "chosen people" of the place so their "souls" shall be saved.

Celtic stole my thunder (see what I did there?) and pretty much listed the verses I would have included. Jesus was clear that anyone who doesn't accept Him as the One and Only means of salvation would spend eternity separated from God.

Of course. Why? Because the Bible mentions it dozens of times, and describes it in horrific detail, more than once.

Matthew 5:22 ..."And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire."

Matthew 5:29 "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as fit for hell as you are!"

Luke 12:5 "But I will show you the One to fear: Fear Him who has authority to throw people into hell after death. Yes, I say to you, this is the One to fear!"

Revelation 20:14-15 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Matthew 13:42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Jothman]

Of course. Why? Because the Bible mentions it dozens of times, and describes it in horrific detail, more than once.

Matthew 5:22 ..."And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire."

Matthew 5:29 "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as fit for hell as you are!"

Luke 12:5 "But I will show you the One to fear: Fear Him who has authority to throw people into hell after death. Yes, I say to you, this is the One to fear!"

Revelation 20:14-15 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And anyone not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Matthew 13:42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

I know about revelation, which many catholics have told me is they learned revelations was a prophetic vision for the end of the roman empire (and it made sense to me when they described it).

And none of those other quotes directly say sinners go to "a literal hell", and it also could be metaphorical.

Paul never mentions hell. The book of Acts, which lays the foundation of the christian faith, never mentions hell. No Gospel other than Matthew even regards hell as a somewhat literal/spiritual place. That's why I'm a bit perplexed on this belief.

And I know the jewish beliefs on the afterlife and "the christian hell" isn't close to the same as what is described for sin punishment:


"""Jewish Views of the Afterlife
What happens after we die? Everyone asks that question at one point or another. Though Judaism does not have a definitive answer, below are some of the possible responses that have emerged over the centuries.

• Olam Ha Ba – "Olam Ha Ba" literally means "the world to come" in Hebrew. Early rabbinic texts describe Olam Ha Ba has an idyllic version of this world. It is a physical realm that will exist at the end-of-days, after the Messiah has come and God has judged both the living and the dead. The righteous dead will be resurrected in order to enjoy a second life in Olam Ha Ba. You can learn more about Olam Ha Ba in:
• Gehenna - When the ancient rabbis talk about Gehenna, the question they are trying to answer is "How will bad people be dealt with in the afterlife?" Accordingly, they saw Gehenna as a place of punishment for those who lead an immoral life. However, the time a person's soul could spend in Gehenna was limited to twelve months and the rabbis maintained that even at the very Gates of Gehenna a person could repent and avoid punishment (Erubin 19a). After being punished in Gehenna a soul was considered pure enough to enter Gan Eden (see below). You can learn more about Gehenna in:
• Gan Eden – In contrast to Gehenna, Gan Eden was conceived as a paradise for those who lived a righteous life. Whether Gan Eden - which means "The Garden of Eden in Hebrew" - was intended as a place for souls after death or for resurrected people when Olam Ha Ba comes is unclear. Exodus Rabbah 15:7 states, for instance: "In the Messianic Age God will establish peace for the nations and they will sit at ease and eat in Gan Eden." Numbers Rabbah 13:2 makes a similar reference and in both cases, neither souls nor the dead are mentioned. Nevertheless, author Simcha Raphael suggests that given the ancient rabbis' belief in resurrection, Gan Eden was likely a place where they thought the righteous would go after they were resurrected for Olam Ha Ba. You can learn more about Gan Eden in:

In addition to overarching concepts about life after death, such as Olam Ha Ba, there are many stories that talk about what might happen to souls once they arrive in the afterlife. For instance, there is a famous midrash (story) about how in both heaven and hell people sit at banquet tables piled high with delicious foods, but no one can bend their elbows. In Hell everyone starves because they think only of themselves. In Heaven, everyone feasts because they feed each other."""

What about the translation facts of the word "hell" only having fairly recent usage:

Number of times "Hell" appears in the text in English Bible Translations Bible TranslationsOld TestamentNew TestamentTotal"Authorized" King James Version *312354New King James Version *191332New International Version 01414American Standard Version01313New American Standard Bible01313Revised English Bible01313New Living Translation01313Amplified01313Revised Standard Version01212New Revised Standard Version01212Darby01212New Century Version01212Young's Literal Translation (1891)000Rotherham's Emphasized Bible (reprinted, 1902)000Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903)000New American Bible (1970)000Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976) 000Christian Bible (1991)000World English Bible (in progress)000Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation)000Wesley's New Testament (1755)-00Scarlett's New Testament (1798)-00The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823)-00Twentieth Century New Testament (1900)-00Weymouth's New Testament in Modern Speech (1903)-00Panin's Numeric English New Testament (1914)-00The People's New Covenant (Overbury, 1925)-00Hanson's New Covenant (1884)-00Western New Testament (1926)-00New Testament of our Lord and Savior Anointed (Tomanek, 1958)-00Concordant Literal New Testament (1983)-00The New Testament, A Translation (Clementson, 1938)-00Emphatic Diaglott, Greek/English Interlinear (Wilson, 1942)-00The New Testament, A New Translation (Greber, 1980)-00Orthodox Jewish Brit Chadasha [New Testament only]-00Zondervan Parallel New Testament in Greek and English (1975)**-00Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English (1993)**-00Interlinear Greek-English New Testament (Berry,1897)**-00Jewish Publication Society Bible Old Testament (1917)0-0

Above didn't come out well, but these books/translations had zero uses of the word hell in them:
Original Bible Project (Dr. James Tabor, still in translation), Wesley's New Testament (1755), Scarlett's New Testament (1798), The New Testament in Greek and English (Kneeland, 1823), Twentieth Century New Testament (1900), Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (1976) , Western New Testament (1926), Fenton's Holy Bible in Modern English (1903), as well as numerous other 18th/19th century bibles.



I'm not preaching, just showing and asking. I don't have the answers, I'm searching.

 

[Jothman]

Jesus and the Apostles taught it, I believe in it.

That's the thing. Jesus not that I can recall EVER mentioned hell, and only 1 of the gospels mentioned it as a place (matthew).

Please prove me wrong if you believe it otherwise.

 

[Jothman]

Yes, I believe it's a real place and the Bible clearly states this. Those who reject Christ will spend eternity there.

The traditional Christian idea of what some call hell, which I have stated in my post, comes from the Jewish idea of "Olam Haba." This is the most Biblical (and the most traditionally taught and accepted) "hell," if we must call it that.

Yes, this is pretty much, with your above post, the definition of what I've learned as the closest(didn't watch the video, couldn't load for me) jewish teaching of hell, and it really isn't close to what some christians profess as hell. Far from it be exact.

 

[tylersantone]

Yes

 

[Isambard]

Nope. No God, no afterlife, no Hell.

 

[Thunder Peel]

To the OP: I'm not sure why you're wasting time in this thread. If you don't believe in it then that's your business but you seem unwilling to listen to anyone else, even when they provide scriptures to support their beliefs. This thread seems to serve no purpose other than for you to tell people you think they're wrong.

 

[Jothman]

To the OP: I'm not sure why you're wasting time in this thread. If you don't believe in it then that's your business but you seem unwilling to listen to anyone else, even when they provide scriptures to support their beliefs. This thread seems to serve no purpose other than for you to tell people you think they're wrong.

I honestly don't know what to believe, that's why I made this post. There is a lot inconclusive information out there on christianity and hell. I am just trying to figure this out as best I can with "a community of christians".

What you/others gave me is not "scriptures to support their beliefs", they are scriptures that they interpret the way they want. In no direct way do they prove hell or a eternal damnation. So the jury is still open. And I posted the other stuff because no one was defending the other side, just to try and instigate deeper debate so we can hopefully have more conclusiveness on the topic.

This thread serves GREAT PURPOSE to me. I am not trying to tell or deny anybody what they want to think, I am in this open minded and "want a deeper understanding" of said topic. And as you can see, almost all people who replied believe in a damnation hell except for 1 person who may be closer to the truth given my readings of the bible.

If this is really threatening your beliefs at all and you don't like it, then stay out of the thread. That's the best advice I can give. This is done purely by me for research purposes.

Listening and questioning are 2 different things, especially with inconclusive evidence. Have you ever heard of blind faith?

 

[Thunder Peel]

I honestly don't know what to believe, that's why I made this post. There is a lot inconclusive information out there on christianity and hell. I am just trying to figure this out as best I can with "a community of christians".

What you/others gave me is not "scriptures to support their beliefs", they are scriptures that they interpret the way they want. In no direct way do they prove hell or a eternal damnation. So the jury is still open. And I posted the other stuff because no one was defending the other side, just to try and instigate deeper debate so we can hopefully have more conclusiveness on the topic.

This thread serves GREAT PURPOSE to me. I am not trying to tell or deny anybody what they want to think, I am in this open minded and "want a deeper understanding" of said topic. And as you can see, almost all people who replied believe in a damnation hell except for 1 person who may be closer to the truth given my readings of the bible.

If this is really threatening your beliefs at all and you don't like it, then stay out of the thread. That's the best advice I can give. This is done purely by me for research purposes.

Listening and questioning are 2 different things, especially with inconclusive evidence. Have you ever heard of blind faith?

No need to get upset; I'm not trying to attack you. I'm simply confused by the title of your thread, which asks us if we believe that hell exists. When many of us say we do you refute the claims and reject scripture from various translations, claiming that it's not accurate. The words of Jesus are crystal clear to me: there is eternal punishment for those that reject Him. If hell doesn't exist then God is nothing more than a spiritual communist who rewards everyone equally and isn't bothered by those to refuse to accept His existence. Jesus often referred to Gehenna (11 times, if I remember correctly), a large garbage dump outside the city of Jerusalem. He used this as a comparison to the eternal suffering that awaited those who rejected His message.

In Luke 16:19-31 The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus is told by Jesus. In the end the rich man is sent into a place of torment:

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

It doesn't make sense for Jesus to tell this parable if there isn't some form of hell for those who die in unbelief. Revelation 20:13-14 talks about Hades being thrown into the lake of fire for all eternity. Other names for this place are found throughout the Bible, including Sheol, Abaddon, and Tartarus. The actual name "hell" may be up for debate among some Christians but the various translations all indicate that there is a place of suffering and separation from God.

Again, I'm not trying to be difficult. I just see no evidence that some form of eternal damnation doesn't exist and that rejection of Jesus doesn't hold eternal consequences. Every translation of the Bible I've read or researched has a term for hell.

 

[Andres88]

Yes. Just as the Church has taught in written and oral Tradition, and the consequent teaching of the Magisterium.

 

[Jothman]

Again, I'm not trying to be difficult. I just see no evidence that some form of eternal damnation doesn't exist and that rejection of Jesus doesn't hold eternal consequences. Every translation of the Bible I've read or researched has a term for hell.

Perhaps I should have altered the title and such to tell what I really wanted then. I've given you information that makes what you are saying debatable and inconcrete, especially to me. That's fine that you believe that for your reasons, I have no problems with that. I just wanted to get as much research and detail on both sides to see what I can come up with for myself to believe. From my many many pages and time of researching I've decided I'm a believer in a form of "Christian Universalism", or in other words, the view that all human beings and all fallen creatures will ultimately be restored to right relationship with God in Heaven through a temporary "hell" similar to the one believed by Judaism followers. So this thread has helped a bit. Thanks.

 

[Wandering Cat Lady]

Yes, I do believe in hell, and I'm excited that satan will be thrown there in the end. Because he's one that truly does belong there. I am sad for those people who flat out refuse God, and will end up there. But I personally believe in it, and no I don't need to tell anyone why or defend my beliefs because they're mine, and I have the freedom to believe what I believe. In this case, I believe according to what I see in the Scriptures.

 

[Sketcher]

That's the thing. Jesus not that I can recall EVER mentioned hell, and only 1 of the gospels mentioned it as a place (matthew).

Please prove me wrong if you believe it otherwise.

There's these which you ignored:

Matthew 5:22 ..."And whoever says to his brother, ‘Fool!’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But whoever says, ‘You moron!’ will be subject to hellfire."

Matthew 5:29 "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of the parts of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as fit for hell as you are!"

Luke 12:5 "But I will show you the One to fear: Fear Him who has authority to throw people into hell after death. Yes, I say to you, this is the One to fear!"

Matthew 13:42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We also have these:

Mark 9:42-49:

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ For everyone will be salted with fire."

Matthew 8:11-12:

"I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:49-50:

"So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 24:48-51:

"But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 25:30:

"And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Luke 13:27-29:

"But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God."