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Hi,

I'd like to read some views from posters on these topics.

Is it wrong for two single people to get married if they are not in love?
If two single people are in love, should they get married?
Is it ever wrong for two people to get married if they are in love?
If two people are married but are not in love, should they get a divorce? If not, what should they do?
 

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Hi,

I'd like to read some views from posters on these topics.

Is it wrong for two single people to get married if they are not in love?
No. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' criteria for choosing a spouse.
If two single people are in love, should they get married?
Maybe. Maybe not.
Is it ever wrong for two people to get married if they are in love?
Two adult people who are free to marry? Not in our culture (except in some really unusual circumstances that I can't think of right now.)

(I'm assuming here that you mean 'morally wrong' and not 'it's a bad idea'.)
If two people are married but are not in love, should they get a divorce? If not, what should they do?
They should figure out why they are married. 'In love' is not the only reason to get married, so it's not the only reason to stay married either.
 
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Imo, it depends on how you want to define "in love."

In my mind, there is a difference between being "in love" and having mature love. "In love" suggests to me that it is based on nothing more than the hormone-driven obsession that drives early attraction, and it is misinterpreted as "in-love." Using this definition, I would answer:

Is it wrong for two single people to get married if they are not in love?

No. Being in-love is not a requirement for a long, happy, successful and loving marriage. In fact, being in-love is a historically recent and western value. Countless marriages have been very successful without ever having that in-love state.

If two single people are in love, should they get married?

Not necessarily, especially while they are in that in-love state, when sound judgement is non-existent. Two people can be in-love, but also have just as intense dislike for each other, or be otherwise totally incompatible. Sometimes marrying just for being in-love can be terribly disastrous.

Is it ever wrong for two people to get married if they are in love?

It could be wrong, if they are unequally yoked or if there are issues like abuse, potential for intense and unresolvable conflict, or are totally incompatible. There are definitely reasons when it could be wrong, but not necessarily.

If two people are married but are not in love, should they get a divorce? If not, what should they do?

No. Since that hormonal-driven in-love state settles down, there is potential for developing mature, deep, abiding love. Not only that, but they should have the integrity to keep the love they promise on their wedding day. When people act lovingly with great care and consistency, affectionate (in-love) feelings follow. People can deliberately create love in their marriage, and it is a more mature and stable love than the in-love state.
 
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Hi,

I'd like to read some views from posters on these topics.

Is it wrong for two single people to get married if they are not in love?
If two single people are in love, should they get married?
Is it ever wrong for two people to get married if they are in love?
If two people are married but are not in love, should they get a divorce? If not, what should they do?
Why would two people get married if they do not love each other? Expedience? Money? For sex? Marriage is hard enough, and without love, I would wait - if I were single - until I did love a person "enough" to commit the rest of my life to them. As for whether it's ever wrong - it could be, if they were too young or not ready for marriage. Just loving someone doesn't mean you are mature enough to turn that into marriage. As to whether two people who don't love each should remain married - it would depend on how it presented itself in the marriage. Is one of them cheating because they don't love the other? Is there abuse or neglect? Lack of love can show itself in many ways, so I cannot say if people who don't love each other should remain married, without knowing more details of how that is manifesting in the marriage.
 
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Hetta,

I was thinking of people who get married through arranged marriages, like in India or other places. Their families check interview each other and the parents consider the type of person the other partner is and give their advice. Nowadays, I think in India, the marrying couple usually have veto power. :) That could be scary for them otherwise. Some unmarried young people in South Asia embrace the idea.

As for remaining married when a couple is not 'in love' I used the phrase 'in love' rather than 'love each other." There is the line people will use to break off a relationship, "I love you, but I'm not in love with you." Let's assume there is no cheating, just no feeling of being 'in love.'
 
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Hetta,

I was thinking of people who get married through arranged marriages, like in India or other places. Their families check interview each other and the parents consider the type of person the other partner is and give their advice. Nowadays, I think in India, the marrying couple usually have veto power. That could be scary for them otherwise. Some unmarried young people in South Asia embrace the idea.
I don't agree with arranged marriages. I wouldn't want even my parents to pick my husband for me - or my fiance. They may have the best intentions, but often it is a ways of increasing the power of a family, or their income, and sometimes parents may have more interest in how a marriage benefits them, than how it benefits the daughter. I would have run away if my parents had wanted to marry me off to someone. :) But they did not. And all is well.

As for remaining married when a couple is not 'in love' I used the phrase 'in love' rather than 'love each other." There is the line people will use to break off a relationship, "I love you, but I'm not in love with you." Let's assume there is no cheating, just no feeling of being 'in love.'
I don't agree with "in love" and "loving" someone. It is all the same to me. Until someone can show me a specific difference between the two, it is all the same to me.
 
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I would have freaked out if my parents had tried to match me up. I remember my mom asking me, "Don't you think she's cute." She was a nice girl, but really not my type. :) Some of the modern South Asian young people work with their parents to pick someone out and some of them are accepting of the idea. If that's what everyone does, it makes sense to them.

I don't think they are sinning by having arranged marriages, of course.

The difference between being in love and loving someone is best illustrated, IMO, by family. You love your mom, but you aren't 'in love with' your mom. You love your dad, brother, cousin, etc. but you aren't 'in love' with them.

I started this and the marriage criteria thread after watching a few episodes of "The Bachelor". I know the show is edited and they probably take out a lot of the common sense rationalizations people make in the interviews and air the gushing to appeal to the people who watch the show. It seemed like everyone was basing their decisions on feelings. I feel this way when I am around this really good-looking charming person.

It seems like some people get married based on feelings without considering whether the other person would make a good spouse, whether goals are the same, and whether they are a good match. This is probably an area where the societies that have some parental input can help out if parents can spot trouble down the road. Some people get divorced because their feelings changed over time.
 
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I don't watch the Bachelor. I have no interest.

If adult kids are working with their parents to choose a partner, why don't they just choose that partner without their parental input? Of course all parents will say "what do you think about this boy or this girl". That's just normal. I do it myself. I have a running joke with my youngest son that he will marry the daughter of one of my best friends. He just rolls his eyes. I do not actually think he will marry her, for all kinds of reasons, so it's more of a tease. We do of course give our kids advice - but the biggest thing for kids, imo, is watching what their parents and their grandparents do, and how we interact, and the kind of people we are. Also, they watch older siblings with boyfriends or girlfriends, and they then say "I don't want a GF like her" or the opposite. It helps them to sort out the kind of qualities that they want in a future spouse - someone loud and fast like my mom? No. Someone quiet and calm like my grandma. Yes. Or vice versa. Or like dad or granddad. Whatever!

As for in love and love - again - I may not be "in love" with my mom, but I love my mother and I love my husband. I don't actually use "in love" to describe my relationship with my husband. Maybe some people do say "I love you but I'm not in love with you" but it sounds rather stupid, and just like an excuse to me.

I don't believe that many people get married without considering their future. Maybe if they are not very smart.
 
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Disclaimer: PLEASE read ALL of my post and take in everything I have to say. I am NOT saying that love is an 'emotional feeling'. Thanks.

Okay, let me take a different tack here. Romantic love in Christianity has taken such a beating that I wonder if it can ever be revived at times. Sure, that 'fluttery, in-love' feeling that we may have for a new relationship is fleeting, and we should not depend on that when making a choice for a mate. Wait for that to subside before making a long-term commitment. But I see nowhere that is says love is forbidden or even irrational in marriage. My take is that we want to intellectualize everything and say "if my choice isn't being driven simply by my intellect and the advice of trusted family and friends, then it is wrong". Then we marry and say "well, love will come. I'll find myself attached to him/her along the way". :confused::confused::confused:

To clarify, I am absolutely fond of my wife. I love her deeply. I feel (not afraid of the word, sorry) fond love and affection for her. If it were merely an intellectual assent to love, then I would have had to think about the next step before marriage.

Let's look at some examples of how Christ loved his bride, how He pursued her and loved her (even when she would not love Him):

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!" (Mat. 23:37).

"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last..." (Jn. 15:16a).

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (Jn. 3:16).

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him" (I Jn. 4:7-9).

Just a few examples. Finally, what is my example to follow?

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself..." (Eph. 5:25-32a).

Now, if I approach that with merely intellectual assent, I will miss the mark. I HAVE to have some idea of how Christ loved the church and be able to display that toward my wife with genuine feeling. I have to have that in my heart toward her or it's all an act.

The love of Christ was a genuine love, not an intellectual assent to love. Christ did not intellectually turn over the tables of the money changers in the Temple. He was zealous for His Father's house. He had genuine feeling. In the Matthew 23 passage above, He was passionate for the return of Jerusalem, to "gather (her) children together" as it were. Revelation Ch. 2 shows his love and passion for the repentance of a wayward church and his encouragement of others to continue in the faith.

If Christ showed this much 'emotion' in love, why do we continue to be afraid of it in marriage and question its worth? We were created with mind, emotions, will, and intellect. If all we have is mind, will, and intellect, we are missing out on an important aspect of marriage; an aspect that God Himself demonstrated while He was with us.
 
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Is it wrong for two single people to get married if they are not in love?
No. People can get married for all kinds of reasons and as long as their is no deception (pretending to be in love when you're not, for example), I don't see it as a problem. You can later fall in love with someone or just accept that you just want the intimate companionship and maybe children.

I may love my husband, but that doesn't mean my type of marriage is the only appropriate kind to have. What matters is what works for that couple, assuming no harm is being done.

If two single people are in love, should they get married?
Depends on if they are compatible and are committed to making a marriage work. Love alone does not make a marriage work. Our high divorce rate should show that.

Is it ever wrong for two people to get married if they are in love?
(Assuming these are two consenting adults.) No. Even considering the answer to the previous question, I think that it's not wrong exactly for two people in love to get married. Considering certain situations it may not be advisable or the best idea, but I wouldn't go so far as to say wrong.

If two people are married but are not in love, should they get a divorce? If not, what should they do?
For that reason alone, no. They should work on their marriage and accept that no marriage is perfect...and that maybe their idea of love is flawed (like expecting hot passion and movie style romance and dreamy romantic feelings all of the time).
 
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I don't agree with arranged marriages. I wouldn't want even my parents to pick my husband for me - or my fiance. They may have the best intentions, but often it is a ways of increasing the power of a family, or their income, and sometimes parents may have more interest in how a marriage benefits them, than how it benefits the daughter. I would have run away if my parents had wanted to marry me off to someone. :) But they did not. And all is well.


I don't agree with "in love" and "loving" someone. It is all the same to me. Until someone can show me a specific difference between the two, it is all the same to me.

Do you not see the difference between infatuation and real love? Many people consider the state of infatuation to mean being "in love" with someone. I once was "in love" with my spouse but eventually the "in love" became just love.Prior to meeting my wife, I was "in love" with others that I thank God I never married as I would never have loved them or in some cases even liked them and because I was "in love" with them I simply ignored the fact that we did not have the same values. This sort of "in love" is very short lived and a very poor reason to marry. I agree that one ought to love one's spouse but I think that to love someone puts them first to be "in love" with someone is not something I do for my spouse or she does for me but something that happens to us that neither one of us has any control over and neither one of us can do anything to ensure the continuation of. We say that one can fall "in love" like it is an accident and perhaps being "in love" is just something that happens to us by accident and like an injury from a fall we eventually recover and get over it. Loving someone is intentional and, if we were not fooling ourselves about whether we love the other, it is almost impossible to get over it.
 
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Do you not see the difference between infatuation and real love? Many people consider the state of infatuation to mean being "in love" with someone. I once was "in love" with my spouse but eventually the "in love" became just love.Prior to meeting my wife, I was "in love" with others that I thank God I never married as I would never have loved them or in some cases even liked them and because I was "in love" with them I simply ignored the fact that we did not have the same values. This sort of "in love" is very short lived and a very poor reason to marry. I agree that one ought to love one's spouse but I think that to love someone puts them first to be "in love" with someone is not something I do for my spouse or she does for me but something that happens to us that neither one of us has any control over and neither one of us can do anything to ensure the continuation of. We say that one can fall "in love" like it is an accident and perhaps being "in love" is just something that happens to us by accident and like an injury from a fall we eventually recover and get over it. Loving someone is intentional and, if we were not fooling ourselves about whether we love the other, it is almost impossible to get over it.
This is your personal experience of "in love" and "love" and not mine. There are no hard set rules about these "levels" of love and what they mean. Sure, you can define what it means for you, but for someone else, it would be very different. Therefore, you may call "in love" infatuation and for you that is true. For someone else, it may be very different. It's not exactly something that can be quantified.

BTW, I have never loved someone "by accident". Maybe you have, but that is not my personal experience.
 
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If Christ showed this much 'emotion' in love, why do we continue to be afraid of it in marriage and question its worth? We were created with mind, emotions, will, and intellect. If all we have is mind, will, and intellect, we are missing out on an important aspect of marriage; an aspect that God Himself demonstrated while He was with us.
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Perhaps because I have Gallic blood, I am not afraid of enthusing about emotion, passion or deep love. Perhaps Americans are more afraid of coming across as wussies. ^_^

I am glad to say that I passionately love my husband, and that I would not have married a man I did not passionately love, and would not want to be married to a man who did not passionately love me back. May passionate love live long and prosper. ;)
 
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If Christ showed this much 'emotion' in love, why do we continue to be afraid of it in marriage and question its worth? We were created with mind, emotions, will, and intellect. If all we have is mind, will, and intellect, we are missing out on an important aspect of marriage; an aspect that God Himself demonstrated while He was with us.

Yes! We should only discount passion if we follow a passionless God.
 
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apostolic34,

I don't know if I've ever heard romantic love take much of a beating in Christianity, but maybe you have listened to people I haven't. It seems like the idea that people marry for romantic love is assumed, sometimes affirmed, but the whole topic is often not examined carefully in light of scripture.

I am pro-love and pro-passion. But I am against the idea that people should marry or start romantic relationships based solely on feelings. I am against the idea that marriages should end based solely on feelings. Covenant trumps feelings. Morality and righteousness trumps feelings. What I mean is that if feelings are lacking, then the couple should work on the marriage and the relationship.

But I'm not going to judge Indian couples, for example, who get arranged marriages who don't feel 'in love' before marriage.

I suspect that a lot of people who grew up in church have an advantage when it comes to choosing spouses. At least they may have heard some teaching on some criteria for marriage other than being 'in love.'

I also wonder if people mean different things when they say 'in love', too. How can I know if my feelings feel the same as your feelings or as the average woman's feelings?
 
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apostolic34,

I don't know if I've ever heard romantic love take much of a beating in Christianity, but maybe you have listened to people I haven't. It seems like the idea that people marry for romantic love is assumed, sometimes affirmed, but the whole topic is often not examined carefully in light of scripture.

I am pro-love and pro-passion. But I am against the idea that people should marry or start romantic relationships based solely on feelings. I am against the idea that marriages should end based solely on feelings. Covenant trumps feelings. Morality and righteousness trumps feelings. What I mean is that if feelings are lacking, then the couple should work on the marriage and the relationship.

But I'm not going to judge Indian couples, for example, who get arranged marriages who don't feel 'in love' before marriage.

I suspect that a lot of people who grew up in church have an advantage when it comes to choosing spouses. At least they may have heard some teaching on some criteria for marriage other than being 'in love.'

I also wonder if people mean different things when they say 'in love', too. How can I know if my feelings feel the same as your feelings or as the average woman's feelings?
The "feelings" bashings goes on here allllllllll the time. That's why some of us felt the need to stand up for love, emotion and passion and say that these are wonderful things, and well worth having, and not unChristian.

I suspect that all of our "feelings" are different. It has become the norm, I think, to assume that we all share the same experiences. Love songs are very one-dimensional and never address the many complexities of love. I have rarely read a book where I recognized a description of love, other than occasionally. Perhaps we have been taught by the television that "this" is how love looks - like the Bachelor or whatever. In fact, I believe that a love affair (in the old fashioned sense, not an extra marital or sexual affair) is deeply personal, and depends on the people who are engaged in that love affair. But then, I am a middle aged lady given to many such ponderings. :) Unfortunately, these things cannot be measured in a laboratory. I often wish it could!
 
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Unfortunately, these things cannot be measured in a laboratory. I often wish it could!

Actually, when you take a concept like "in-love" and apply visible things like facial expression, body language, quality of voice, and physiological response to proximity, it can actually be measured. Dr. John Gottman has a "Love Lab" in Seattle where he studies these things. Good stuff, but then there comes the issue that even romantic love is now intellectualized. I'm not sure that's a good thing. There have to be both feelings of romantic love mixed with common sense of marrying someone who is a good match. It is not an either/or situation, but maybe also should not be analyzed to death.
 
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I agree that it should not be "analyzed to death" which I think goes on here too. At the end of the day, people will "fall in love" and get married. They have done it for centuries - even if they didn't call it that then - and they will do it for centuries hence, regardless of what we say about it right here, right now.
 
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[QUOTEI don't agree with arranged marriages. I wouldn't want even my parents to pick my husband for me - or my fiance.][/QUOTE]

I agree.I would have been doomed if my parents had been allowed to choose my spouse for me and arranged it that I had to marry them.In fact they probably couldn't have even agreed who was right for me and I would have been a spinster.Or they would have gotten tired and tossed a coin over my life.
 
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