Who thinks Obama is the Anti-Christ?

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Tis a possibility :)

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah !
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country and from distant parts to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.



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Indeed. How prophetic it will be when there's another invasion at the same time!
 
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Am I missing something here, or just being incredibly dense??

John tells us that there will be antichrists and, at the time he was writing, there had already been many.

What is an antichrist - well, surprisingly enough, it is someone who is ANTI Christ.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son."

2 John 7
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

So Scripture tells us there are several antichrists and how to recognise them?

Does Obama deny Christ? No - he bears his name; He is a CHRISTian.
He does not fulfil the only, Scriptural, criteria for an antichrist. So why would anyone think he could be?? Because he is going to Israel on a certain date, which coincides with a comet, or something??

If anyone really believes that the end is coming this Friday, they should be out, roaming the streets, shouting out the news and trying to win as many people for the Lord as possible, before he returns.

Personally I expect to be around to celebrate Easter - and for quite a while after that.
 
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Am I missing something here, or just being incredibly dense??

John tells us that there will be antichrists and, at the time he was writing, there had already been many.

What is an antichrist - well, surprisingly enough, it is someone who is ANTI Christ.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son."

2 John 7
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

So Scripture tells us there are several antichrists and how to recognise them?

Does Obama deny Christ? No - he bears his name; He is a CHRISTian.
He does not fulfil the only, Scriptural, criteria for an antichrist. So why would anyone think he could be?? Because he is going to Israel on a certain date, which coincides with a comet, or something??

If anyone really believes that the end is coming this Friday, they should be out, roaming the streets, shouting out the news and trying to win as many people for the Lord as possible, before he returns.

Personally I expect to be around to celebrate Easter - and for quite a while after that.

Obama is a Christian in the same way Satan is a Christian.

Even the devil believes in Jesus.

Obama OPPOSES Jesus. BY THEIR FRUIT you shall know them. Obama's beliefs and policies are in direct opposition to God's Word.

Yes, I, personally, still think that the church could be removed and the devil could send in a massive army (start a global war) as early as tomorrow or the next day.

After all, Jesus said that people will be carrying on as usual - eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying - as well as saying "peace and security" when it all comes crashing in on them suddenly, just like in the days of Noah.

Whenever I mention it, all I get is scoffers and people who call me crazy.

Time will tell. Be patient.
 
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Am I missing something here, or just being incredibly dense??

John tells us that there will be antichrists and, at the time he was writing, there had already been many.

What is an antichrist - well, surprisingly enough, it is someone who is ANTI Christ.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son."

2 John 7
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

So Scripture tells us there are several antichrists and how to recognise them?

Does Obama deny Christ? No - he bears his name; He is a CHRISTian.
He does not fulfil the only, Scriptural, criteria for an antichrist. So why would anyone think he could be?? Because he is going to Israel on a certain date, which coincides with a comet, or something??

If anyone really believes that the end is coming this Friday, they should be out, roaming the streets, shouting out the news and trying to win as many people for the Lord as possible, before he returns.

Personally I expect to be around to celebrate Easter - and for quite a while after that.
Good point about people spreading the news if they felt that strongly He was coming in under 48 hours.
 
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Obama is a Christian in the same way Satan is a Christian.

Even the devil believes in Jesus.

Obama OPPOSES Jesus. BY THEIR FRUIT you shall know them. Obama's beliefs and policies are in direct opposition to God's Word.

Yes, I, personally, still think that the church could be removed and the devil could send in a massive army (start a global war) as early as tomorrow or the next day.

After all, Jesus said that people will be carrying on as usual - eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying - as well as saying "peace and security" when it all comes crashing in on them suddenly, just like in the days of Noah.

Whenever I mention it, all I get is scoffers and people who call me crazy.

Time will tell. Be patient.

It's gotten to a point where it's just like the days of Noah and Lot. People don't want to hear. They want to continue in their sins or riding the fence.

Hab 2:3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.
 
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Obama is a Christian in the same way Satan is a Christian.

Even the devil believes in Jesus.

Obama OPPOSES Jesus. BY THEIR FRUIT you shall know them. Obama's beliefs and policies are in direct opposition to God's Word.

Yes, I, personally, still think that the church could be removed and the devil could send in a massive army (start a global war) as early as tomorrow or the next day.

After all, Jesus said that people will be carrying on as usual - eating, drinking, planting, building, marrying - as well as saying "peace and security" when it all comes crashing in on them suddenly, just like in the days of Noah.

Whenever I mention it, all I get is scoffers and people who call me crazy.

Time will tell. Be patient.
Not to be rude, but are you carrying on usual? as sure as you are that it is very soon; because and I am open to being wrong but if we are carrying on as usual I would not think we would be actually predicting His coming. Maybe I am wrong; again I am open to that.
 
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From my understanding the Anti-Christ is to come from Rome.

why?

i was thinking today, what is the holy place? is it the temple mount? perhaps, or not. maybe it's something holy to christians rather than jews? when you see the abomination that causes desolation stand in the holy place.(a quote of Jesus)... on 21-22nd march 2013, the trib starts then.
 
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Not to be rude, but are you carrying on usual? as sure as you are that it is very soon; because and I am open to being wrong but if we are carrying on as usual I would not think we would be actually predicting His coming. Maybe I am wrong; again I am open to that.

What did Noah do?

He prepared.

He forewarned.

....right up until the flood came.

I am prepared and so is my household. I am now forewarning, just like many others are who see the same thing.

If it comes now, it comes now. There's nothing anyone can do to stop it or wish it away. When the time comes, the time comes.

Just be ready.
 
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Let the news speak for itself....
"If there was any question about why President Obama came to Israel on the first overseas trip of his second term – and the question has come up – it vanished into the brilliant blue sky above Ben Gurion Airport when he reached the end of the red carpet and the microphone waiting there. The leader of the free world had come to issue a correction. Four years ago, delivering an address to the Muslim people in Cairo, Obama had irked Israeli Jews by citing the Holocaust as the justification for the 1948 founding of modern Israel. Israelis prefer to reach a bit further back — they find their deed to the land in the Bible – and the misapprehension was aggravated by what Obama did when he left Cairo: Fly past Israel to pay a call at Buchenwald, the World War II concentration camp.
There was none of that Wednesday. “More than 3,000 years ago, the Jewish people lived here, tended the land here, prayed to God here,” Obama began, getting right to it on the tarmac. “And after centuries of exile and persecution, unparalleled in the history of man, the founding of the Jewish State of Israel was a rebirth, a redemption unlike any in history. Today, the sons of Abraham and the daughters of Sarah are fulfilling the dream of the ages — to be ‘masters of their own fate’ in ‘their own sovereign state.’”


Read more: Bibi and Barack: A Buddy Movie Opens in Israel | TIME.com

"Benjamin Netanyahu looked on beaming. “I thought that was a wonderful line that I will cherish because it really gets down to the essence of what this state is about,” the prime minister said a few hours later, as the two leaders took questions at his Jerusalem residence. On the same page at last – somewhere in Psalms, just going by the praise-singing – the famously frosty pair appeared determined to project a budding buddydom. At the airport, when Obama shrugged off his suit jacket and flicked it over his shoulder, Netanyahu glanced over and, after first hitching up his pants, did the same, like a little kid imitating an older one. When they reached the display of Israel’s anti-missile systems, including Iron Dome, Netanyahu directed his guest through the exhibit by the colors painted on the tarmac: “Follow the red line.” Obama quipped: “He’s always talking to me about red lines.” An Iran joke. They can laugh about it now.
Obama kept calling Netanyahu “Bibi,” and choked both of them up a moment reading from the published letters of his brother Yonatan Netanyahu, who was killed leading the raid to rescue Israeli hostages at Entebbe. Netanyahu kept looking at Obama the way he spoke of him: approvingly. The handshakes were vigorous, the thanks effusive, and though they continue to differ on when it might be necessary to go military against Iran, the differences are no longer emphasized publicly. When a reporter suggested the two leaders differed on how long Iran needed to produce a nuclear weapon, Netanyahu waded into the weeds of uranium enrichment and weaponization to explain that, in fact, Obama was right: It’d take Iran about a year to get one. The same man was sitting in the Oval Office not two years ago, scoring points back in Israel by accusing Obama of saying something he had not (that Israel should retreat to its 1967 borders).
(MORE: The Secret of the Wonder Weapon That Israel Showed Off to Obama)
Obama was trying hard too. From the moment he appeared in the proscenium that is the hatch of the Air Force One, the president appeared to be “on.” If he wasn’t in campaign mode, it was something like it. Crowded on the Iran issue not only by the realities in the Islamic Republic, but by the tensions with Jerusalem, the White House has said repeatedly that the centerpiece of the three days will be his address to the Israeli public – mostly college students – on Thursday afternoon in Jerusalem’s convention center. “My main goal on this trip is to have an opportunity to speak directly to the Israeli people,” Obama said, “at a time when what is obviously already a pretty tough neighborhood has gotten tougher, and let them know they have a friend in the United States, that we have your back.”
It’s an uphill battle. Israelis have distrusted Obama from the start of his presidency, convinced that because of his background – including a Muslim father, and a childhood in Indonesia – he favored the Palestinian side in the century-old contest for control of the Holy Land. A Jerusalem Post poll this week found a 36% plurality regarded his administration as more pro-Palestinian than pro-Israeli. The 26% who said he favored Israel was the highest in four years; only 4%t said so after the Cairo speech. Another daily, Ma’ariv, found only one in ten Israelis reporting a favorable opinion of Obama, while 17% went with “hateful.”
“I think people should get to know President Obama the way I’ve gotten to know him,” Netanyahu said at the press conference, which was carried live on Israeli television, as was the airport arrival, and even the American’s journey from the coastal plain to Jerusalem, in a convoy of seven helicopters. The center of the city was hermetically sealed for the visit, the street outside the president’s hotel, the King David, actually curtained in white vinyl, an unusual precaution.
Obama, meanwhile, was asked if he would care to acknowledge mistakes in his handling of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in his first term. “I’m absolutely sure there are a host of things I could have done that would have been more deft, or would have created better optics,” he replied. “But ultimately, this is a really hard problem.” Not that optics don’t matter. Out on the tarmac, when the coats came off, it became blindingly obvious that both Bibi and Barak were wearing the colors of the Israeli flag: white shirts and blue ties. Netanyahu’s was a little bluer.:"


Read more: Bibi and Barack: A Buddy Movie Opens in Israel | TIME.com
 
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Let the news speak for itself....
"If there was any question about why President Obama came to Israel on the first overseas trip of his second term – and the question has come up – it vanished into the brilliant blue sky above Ben Gurion Airport when he reached the end of the red carpet and the microphone waiting there. The leader of the free world had come to issue a correction. Four years ago, delivering an address to the Muslim people in Cairo, Obama had irked Israeli Jews by citing the Holocaust as the justification for the 1948 founding of modern Israel. Israelis prefer to reach a bit further back — they find their deed to the land in the Bible – and the misapprehension was aggravated by what Obama did when he left Cairo: Fly past Israel to pay a call at Buchenwald, the World War II concentration camp.
There was none of that Wednesday. “More than 3,000 years ago, the Jewish people lived here, tended the land here, prayed to God here,” Obama began, getting right to it on the tarmac. “And after centuries of exile and persecution, unparalleled in the history of man, the founding of the Jewish State of Israel was a rebirth, a redemption unlike any in history. Today, the sons of Abraham and the daughters of Sarah are fulfilling the dream of the ages — to be ‘masters of their own fate’ in ‘their own sovereign state.’”


Read more: Bibi and Barack: A Buddy Movie Opens in Israel | TIME.com

"Benjamin Netanyahu looked on beaming. “I thought that was a wonderful line that I will cherish because it really gets down to the essence of what this state is about,” the prime minister said a few hours later, as the two leaders took questions at his Jerusalem residence. On the same page at last – somewhere in Psalms, just going by the praise-singing – the famously frosty pair appeared determined to project a budding buddydom. At the airport, when Obama shrugged off his suit jacket and flicked it over his shoulder, Netanyahu glanced over and, after first hitching up his pants, did the same, like a little kid imitating an older one. When they reached the display of Israel’s anti-missile systems, including Iron Dome, Netanyahu directed his guest through the exhibit by the colors painted on the tarmac: “Follow the red line.” Obama quipped: “He’s always talking to me about red lines.” An Iran joke. They can laugh about it now.
Obama kept calling Netanyahu “Bibi,” and choked both of them up a moment reading from the published letters of his brother Yonatan Netanyahu, who was killed leading the raid to rescue Israeli hostages at Entebbe. Netanyahu kept looking at Obama the way he spoke of him: approvingly. The handshakes were vigorous, the thanks effusive, and though they continue to differ on when it might be necessary to go military against Iran, the differences are no longer emphasized publicly. When a reporter suggested the two leaders differed on how long Iran needed to produce a nuclear weapon, Netanyahu waded into the weeds of uranium enrichment and weaponization to explain that, in fact, Obama was right: It’d take Iran about a year to get one. The same man was sitting in the Oval Office not two years ago, scoring points back in Israel by accusing Obama of saying something he had not (that Israel should retreat to its 1967 borders).
(MORE: The Secret of the Wonder Weapon That Israel Showed Off to Obama)
Obama was trying hard too. From the moment he appeared in the proscenium that is the hatch of the Air Force One, the president appeared to be “on.” If he wasn’t in campaign mode, it was something like it. Crowded on the Iran issue not only by the realities in the Islamic Republic, but by the tensions with Jerusalem, the White House has said repeatedly that the centerpiece of the three days will be his address to the Israeli public – mostly college students – on Thursday afternoon in Jerusalem’s convention center. “My main goal on this trip is to have an opportunity to speak directly to the Israeli people,” Obama said, “at a time when what is obviously already a pretty tough neighborhood has gotten tougher, and let them know they have a friend in the United States, that we have your back.”
It’s an uphill battle. Israelis have distrusted Obama from the start of his presidency, convinced that because of his background – including a Muslim father, and a childhood in Indonesia – he favored the Palestinian side in the century-old contest for control of the Holy Land. A Jerusalem Post poll this week found a 36% plurality regarded his administration as more pro-Palestinian than pro-Israeli. The 26% who said he favored Israel was the highest in four years; only 4%t said so after the Cairo speech. Another daily, Ma’ariv, found only one in ten Israelis reporting a favorable opinion of Obama, while 17% went with “hateful.”
“I think people should get to know President Obama the way I’ve gotten to know him,” Netanyahu said at the press conference, which was carried live on Israeli television, as was the airport arrival, and even the American’s journey from the coastal plain to Jerusalem, in a convoy of seven helicopters. The center of the city was hermetically sealed for the visit, the street outside the president’s hotel, the King David, actually curtained in white vinyl, an unusual precaution.
Obama, meanwhile, was asked if he would care to acknowledge mistakes in his handling of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in his first term. “I’m absolutely sure there are a host of things I could have done that would have been more deft, or would have created better optics,” he replied. “But ultimately, this is a really hard problem.” Not that optics don’t matter. Out on the tarmac, when the coats came off, it became blindingly obvious that both Bibi and Barak were wearing the colors of the Israeli flag: white shirts and blue ties. Netanyahu’s was a little bluer.:"


Read more: Bibi and Barack: A Buddy Movie Opens in Israel | TIME.com

False news...but the deception is being set.
1Th 5:3 While people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

Watch this video and listen to the news reporters words and see if it does not send shivers down your spin.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rF1OM5OJJkg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
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Am I missing something here, or just being incredibly dense??

John tells us that there will be antichrists and, at the time he was writing, there had already been many.

What is an antichrist - well, surprisingly enough, it is someone who is ANTI Christ.
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son."

2 John 7
"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist."

So Scripture tells us there are several antichrists and how to recognise them?

Does Obama deny Christ? No - he bears his name; He is a CHRISTian.
He does not fulfil the only, Scriptural, criteria for an antichrist. So why would anyone think he could be?? Because he is going to Israel on a certain date, which coincides with a comet, or something??

If anyone really believes that the end is coming this Friday, they should be out, roaming the streets, shouting out the news and trying to win as many people for the Lord as possible, before he returns.

Personally I expect to be around to celebrate Easter - and for quite a while after that.

As a Brit you are probably used to Christians just being followers and believers in Jesus. That's not how it works here in America. In America there are strict guidelines on how to figure out if someone is a Real Christian&#8482; or not.

Some examples of how this criteria works:

If you vote for a different political candidate than I do, you're not a Real Christian&#8482;.

If you listen to different sorts of music than I do, you're not a Real Christian&#8482;.

If you attend a different church than I do, you're not a Real Christian&#8482;.

As we can see, Barak Obama has violated some of the most clear defining qualities of Christian-ness. He has an Arabic name and he's of a different political persuasion than that of the Real Christians&#8482;. That's a double whammy.

Just remember, that in America it's not Jesus Christ that makes you a Christian, it's what sports teams you support and making sure you wear the right clothes and vote for the right political party. But, even then, you may still not be a Real Christian&#8482;.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Hiscominggoldfish do you have any idea where you believe He will come from just wondering since you asks PCC.

no, i dont know. some people like walid shoebad wrote a good book, which claimed that he would be from turkey or syria. i dont think so, i think the a/c will instigate the mark of the beast, a microchip in the hand, between the thumb and finger. i dont see anyone from the mid-east being able to do that, not for 100 years.
i fear that something is going to happen, i dont know what, but a world changing event, soon.
 
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no, i dont know. some people like walid shoebad wrote a good book, which claimed that he would be from turkey or syria. i dont think so, i think the a/c will instigate the mark of the beast, a microchip in the hand, between the thumb and finger. i dont see anyone from the mid-east being able to do that, not for 100 years.
i fear that something is going to happen, i dont know what, but a world changing event, soon.
Yeah but then again and not sayuing that it will not happen soon, but it could come from the Middle East and be 100 years (or more) away.
 
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Let the news speak for itself....
"If there was any question about why President Obama came to Israel on the first overseas trip of his second term &#8211; and the question has come up &#8211; it vanished into the brilliant blue sky above Ben Gurion Airport when he reached the end of the red carpet and the microphone waiting there. The leader of the free world had come to issue a correction. Four years ago, delivering an address to the Muslim people in Cairo, Obama had irked Israeli Jews by citing the Holocaust as the justification for the 1948 founding of modern Israel. Israelis prefer to reach a bit further back &#8212; they find their deed to the land in the Bible &#8211; and the misapprehension was aggravated by what Obama did when he left Cairo: Fly past Israel to pay a call at Buchenwald, the World War II concentration camp.
There was none of that Wednesday. &#8220;More than 3,000 years ago, the Jewish people lived here, tended the land here, prayed to God here,&#8221; Obama began, getting right to it on the tarmac. &#8220;And after centuries of exile and persecution, unparalleled in the history of man, the founding of the Jewish State of Israel was a rebirth, a redemption unlike any in history. Today, the sons of Abraham and the daughters of Sarah are fulfilling the dream of the ages &#8212; to be &#8216;masters of their own fate&#8217; in &#8216;their own sovereign state.&#8217;&#8221;


Read more: Bibi and Barack: A Buddy Movie Opens in Israel | TIME.com

"Benjamin Netanyahu looked on beaming. &#8220;I thought that was a wonderful line that I will cherish because it really gets down to the essence of what this state is about,&#8221; the prime minister said a few hours later, as the two leaders took questions at his Jerusalem residence. On the same page at last &#8211; somewhere in Psalms, just going by the praise-singing &#8211; the famously frosty pair appeared determined to project a budding buddydom. At the airport, when Obama shrugged off his suit jacket and flicked it over his shoulder, Netanyahu glanced over and, after first hitching up his pants, did the same, like a little kid imitating an older one. When they reached the display of Israel&#8217;s anti-missile systems, including Iron Dome, Netanyahu directed his guest through the exhibit by the colors painted on the tarmac: &#8220;Follow the red line.&#8221; Obama quipped: &#8220;He&#8217;s always talking to me about red lines.&#8221; An Iran joke. They can laugh about it now.
Obama kept calling Netanyahu &#8220;Bibi,&#8221; and choked both of them up a moment reading from the published letters of his brother Yonatan Netanyahu, who was killed leading the raid to rescue Israeli hostages at Entebbe. Netanyahu kept looking at Obama the way he spoke of him: approvingly. The handshakes were vigorous, the thanks effusive, and though they continue to differ on when it might be necessary to go military against Iran, the differences are no longer emphasized publicly. When a reporter suggested the two leaders differed on how long Iran needed to produce a nuclear weapon, Netanyahu waded into the weeds of uranium enrichment and weaponization to explain that, in fact, Obama was right: It&#8217;d take Iran about a year to get one. The same man was sitting in the Oval Office not two years ago, scoring points back in Israel by accusing Obama of saying something he had not (that Israel should retreat to its 1967 borders).

Propaganda.

Obama DID say Israel needs to return to 1967 borders.

Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders - CNN.com

This is why Obama and the Democrats don't want the Internet to be free because their LIES are easily exposed by it!
 
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Yeah but then again and not sayuing that it will not happen soon, but it could come from the Middle East and be 100 years (or more) away.

i thought that for a while, but the apocalyptic feeling comes back again.. i get a feeling that jesus is returning soon, not in 100 years.
 
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i thought that for a while, but the apocalyptic feeling comes back again.. i get a feeling that jesus is returning soon, not in 100 years.
The what comes back?
 
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Bethwhite

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As a Brit you are probably used to Christians just being followers and believers in Jesus. That's not how it works here in America. In America there are strict guidelines on how to figure out if someone is a Real Christian&#8482; or not.

Some examples of how this criteria works:

If you vote for a different political candidate than I do, you're not a Real Christian&#8482;.

If you listen to different sorts of music than I do, you're not a Real Christian&#8482;.

If you attend a different church than I do, you're not a Real Christian&#8482;.

As we can see, Barak Obama has violated some of the most clear defining qualities of Christian-ness. He has an Arabic name and he's of a different political persuasion than that of the Real Christians&#8482;. That's a double whammy.

Just remember, that in America it's not Jesus Christ that makes you a Christian, it's what sports teams you support and making sure you wear the right clothes and vote for the right political party. But, even then, you may still not be a Real Christian&#8482;.

-CryptoLutheran

Baloney.

Such drivel!

Scriptures are the standard. Do you support LIFE? Do you believe in Jesus Christ? That's the standard.

Guys - don't listen to the Christian accusers/Christian haters. The world can't stand Christians and this forum has magnetically collected some who like to sow strife and discord against Christians - calling them "racists" and "zionists" and all manner of ungodly things.

It's evil.
 
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