I guess I'm going to hell

[dabro]

From my own conscience and the things that I struggle with...and google to tell you that a drug using backslider has fallen and there is no way for me to come back to God.......There are so many versions of what ppl say and Idk what to believe anymore...being on psych meds have crushed my emotions....I have just wanted to feel the passion for Christ for a long time but,,,I seem to lazy to pray and I just thought God was going to do more in my life then the curse I have recieved...Idk anymore!

 

[Tigger45]

That young man laying on Jesus' chest in your profile pic is you and don't you ever forget He loves you.

 

[SharonL]

God does not erase our names from the Lambs Book of Life when we fall. If you had asked Jesus to be Lord of your life and repented - then your name was put in the Lambs Book of Life written in the blood of Jesus. Your sins in the lake of forgetfullness never to be seen again.

When we fall, and we all fall, we repent and again you are washed in the blood of Jesus and your sins are gone. The Bible says that once we are a Child of God, no one can snatch you out of God's hand.

The Bible says the Jesus is your friend and walks closer than your shadow and is only a heartbeat away. Just put your hand in the hand of Jesus, confess your sins and listen to the leading of the Holy Spirit and you will be fine. You will not be lost.

 

[Enkil]

It's not possible for someone, once saved, to lose their salvation. In fact, you wouldn't even be posting this if you were in any real danger. You want help.

I have known of Christians who have had problems with drugs, and I mean the worst of the worst (cocain, heroin, and other kinds), which they had gotten into in their unsaved days. And they would still hear this "voice," as it were, calling them to return to it. And, occasionally, they did fall.

1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Come to think of it, I have also been in that dark place you have been. Full of despair I have been, falling into an abyss where there is no light and there is no hope. It happened, but God is greater, and now I'm delivered of it. In fact, my problem was, principally, with trusting others, and by extension trusting God, because I had been utterly lied to and manipulated by false-believers and teachers. Even someone I loved very much was no comfort for me, and I ended up running her off, and she, who claimed to have visions from God, never heard from Him that I was hurting a great deal and in need. But it all worked out for the better:

Rom_8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

It may not seem like it now, but this scripture is really true. It really DOES work out for the better, in the end.

I think what brought me out of my funk was the first time I felt the hand of God so heavily on my life. It was an answered prayer, that was performed in such a way that I truly felt that God had an interest in my life and was there for me.

Prayer goes a long way. You have no idea the power of prayer we have with God our Father. For we are, indeed, children of His, and Kings, and Priests in His sight, even when we are at our worst. You can come boldly into the throne and speak to God, without fear, without shame, because we are made clean by the blood of the Lamb who died for us, and rose again for us.

So don't worry about people who betray you or who speak badly of you. It doesn't matter. Man will always fail you, every time, and all things foul would wear the brows of grace... yet grace must still look so.

So pray to God. Toughen up! Read the scripture, and perhaps go to those passages which teach on prayer. The mighty men of God are those who pray... and, mind you, I'm not very good at prayers. But God answers. I guarantee it! So pray, and pray, and our beloved God will not leave you without help. Even a faith as small as a mustard seed can move a mountain.

 

[Alithis]

first - yes God loves you
second - why would any one consider what google has to say ?

we are not called to feel the faith -we are called to have it . when we do, everything else will come into line .. especially the JOY OF THE LORD!

only believe- seems like boring unhelpful advice .. but we cannot qualify . it is not of ourselves.

 

[Enkil]

first - yes God loves you
second - why would any one consider what google has to say ?

we are not called to feel the faith -we are called to have it . when we do, everything else will come into line .. especially the JOY OF THE LORD!

only believe- seems like boring unhelpful advice .. but we cannot qualify . it is not of ourselves.

Indeed! And that is an important point. "Faith" is not an emotional condition. Belief is not being high on life, laughing and dancing and falling on the floor. We are called to "have it!" That might seem hard to understand when in a dark place, and an easy thing to say... but to those of us who have suffered, who have experienced great sadness and doubt, I promise you it isn't nearly as hard as you think. The only thing standing between you and God is you yourself. So step out of the way and let God take control! God is able to overcome you, no matter how much you kick and fight against Him. Do not fear, beloved, for God is for you and not against you!

 

[Biblicist]

It's not possible for someone, once saved, to lose their salvation. In fact, you wouldn't even be posting this if you were in any real danger. You want help.

As no-one else has as yet corrected this incorrect and harmful doctrinal position, we need to be very careful how we work out our salvation as we can all lose our salvation if we choose to forfeit it - no-one can make us to choose this option as it is one that we must choose. When it comes to this type of question, a public forum is certainly not the best venue and I would highly recommend that you seek out a godly congregation who can better assist you.

Edit: I added "we choose to forfeit it" in bold text due to a good suggestion from michaelmynameIs in post 8

 

[Alithis]

As no-one else has as yet corrected this incorrect and harmful doctrinal position, we need to be very careful how we work out our salvation as we can all lose our salvation if we choose to forfeit it - no-one can make us to choose this option as it is one that we must choose. When it comes to this type of question, a public forum is certainly not the best venue and I would highly recommend that you seek out a godly congregation who can better assist you.

i dont disagree

but the words 'if we choose to forfeit" should be highlighted methinks .
as some one said - the very fact they are troubled by the thought .. is to me evidence of the work of the nature of Christ within them by the Holt Spirit ,working to bring about the perfect will of God in their life

 

[Biblicist]

i dont disagree

but the words 'if we choose to forfeit" should be highlighted methinks .
as some one said - the very fact they are troubled by the thought .. is to me evidence of the work of the nature of Christ within them by the Holt Spirit ,working to bring about the perfect will of God in their life

Good suggestion! I went back and placed this text in bold with an edit note.

 

[WithLoveFromAlyssa]

Google is trouble when you wanna hear good news, and a treat when you're expecting bad news. I should know, Im a hypochondriac and when i type my symptoms in on google they Come up with Heart attack and cancer and stuff like that. Anyways, Don't think you're going to hell. Jesus Christ loves you, just rest in his love.

 

[If Not For Grace]

Jesus is the WAY...but there is no tram ride to that pick up your cross and follow me deal that's why we are instructed to count the cost...If THE way is narrow..that means It Ain't easy....it's worthwhile--Big difference

PS-don't believe everything you think (the devil is a liar & the battlefield (as Joyce Meyer says) is in the mind. Remember feelings are not facts-in fact they are fickle. Renew your mind-study. Time takes Time.

 

[Enkil]

As no-one else has as yet corrected this incorrect and harmful doctrinal position, we need to be very careful how we work out our salvation as we can all lose our salvation if we choose to forfeit it - no-one can make us to choose this option as it is one that we must choose.

I don't want to get into a debate on Calvinism, but it is not incorrect or harmful. In fact, the opposite is harmful.

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

If it were possible implies it is impossible.

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

To suggest that a man who has been moved by the Holy Spirit to confess Jesus Christ, who has been regenerated and saved by grace, could suddenly lose it, is quite dangerous.

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

It IS necessary to check our own election, as we ourselves do not know the mind of God, and there are many wicked people who believe they are Christians and are not. But no one saved by God is in danger of losing his salvation, especially when they are merely going through a rough patch which is more common than you know. In fact, a person who DOES fear he is losing his salvation, is every bit the portrait of a Christian who never will. The Holy Spirit works in a man, and never lets him sit still and comfortable in his sin, and moves a man to desire more of Him and never lets the man be complacent.

Ultimately, God always delivers, and the real Christian should never fear being cast away or forgotten by God.

 

[dabro]

I don't want to get into a debate on Calvinism, but it is not incorrect or harmful. In fact, the opposite is harmful.

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

If it were possible implies it is impossible.

Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.








To suggest that a man who has been moved by the Holy Spirit to confess Jesus Christ, who has been regenerated and saved by grace, could suddenly lose it, is quite dangerous.

1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

It IS necessary to check our own election, as we ourselves do not know the mind of God, and there are many wicked people who believe they are Christians and are not. But no one saved by God is in danger of losing his salvation, especially when they are merely going through a rough patch which is more common than you know. In fact, a person who DOES fear he is losing his salvation, is every bit the portrait of a Christian who never will. The Holy Spirit works in a man, and never lets him sit still and comfortable in his sin, and moves a man to desire more of Him and never lets the man be complacent.

Ultimately, God always delivers, and the real Christian should never fear being cast away or forgotten by God.

This has touch my heart so much...Thank you for showing me the truth!

 

[Logeth]

HI!

I wanna tell you that, a year ago, I was in your position. I was absolutely sure I lost my salvation. I was desperate, I couldn't sleep well, I was under great fear and anxiety and there were moments in which the pressure was so high that I was felling how arrows were entering in my mind and it was terrible (Ephesians 6.16). I was feeling that EVERY verse of the Bible was condemning me except Psalms. So I started to read loudly Psalms every day, even though I did not believe that they can still help me. After a time, against my will and emotions, I began to read and to memorize and quote whenever necessarily other verses from the NT. I was still feeling condemned, rejected by God, full of fears and worries, but I chose to stand on God's Word. Little by little, I started to feel lighter- I started to feel God's presence again, to feel better, to feel a little bit of peace or joy. It was a long process but now I can finally say that I believe that I am saved not because of me, but because of God's grace and love. Yes, I still stumble and sin, but I repent, I call sin sin and I hate it, but I apologize, confess and then believe that God will help me overcome it.

I am telling you, once you pass over this, with God's help, you will see that you will have a different approach towards salvation. I've seen in my life and in others life that we often take salvation as granted and we aren't that grateful and excited and moved by it. But now, when I've passed through that dark period, I am so excited and grateful and overwhelmed by the fact that God really chose me and saved me!

Be encouraged and start to believe and quote the Bible which is the truth! He will set you free!

 

[Enkil]

HI!

I wanna tell you that, a year ago, I was in your position. I was absolutely sure I lost my salvation. I was desperate, I couldn't sleep well, I was under great fear and anxiety and there were moments in which the pressure was so high that I was felling how arrows were entering in my mind and it was terrible (Ephesians 6.16). I was feeling that EVERY verse of the Bible was condemning me except Psalms. So I started to read loudly Psalms every day, even though I did not believe that they can still help me. After a time, against my will and emotions, I began to read and to memorize and quote whenever necessarily other verses from the NT. I was still feeling condemned, rejected by God, full of fears and worries, but I chose to stand on God's Word. Little by little, I started to feel lighter- I started to feel God's presence again, to feel better, to feel a little bit of peace or joy. It was a long process but now I can finally say that I believe that I am saved not because of me, but because of God's grace and love. Yes, I still stumble and sin, but I repent, I call sin sin and I hate it, but I apologize, confess and then believe that God will help me overcome it.

I am telling you, once you pass over this, with God's help, you will see that you will have a different approach towards salvation. I've seen in my life and in others life that we often take salvation as granted and we aren't that grateful and excited and moved by it. But now, when I've passed through that dark period, I am so excited and grateful and overwhelmed by the fact that God really chose me and saved me!

Be encouraged and start to believe and quote the Bible which is the truth! He will set you free!

This is exactly my experience as well, and I second it. In fact, after it was over for me, from that great big pit of blackness, I rose up with a greater faith than I did even in the early days of my conversion!

Rom 8:28-31 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. (29) For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (30) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (31) What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Mind you, it is always different for each of us... but if God be for us, who can be against us?

 

[paul1149]

it is not incorrect or harmful. In fact, the opposite is harmful....

Well said, Enkil. Your Reps don't seem to be working...

OP, I went through this myself, which I don't have time to go into here and now, but it was extremely black. Was sure I was going to die. But the Lord used it to show His astonishing love for me, over the background of me being fully aware of my unworthiness of it. Keep trusting, and He will bring you through to higher pastures. He will work it for good, just make sure you keep yourself pointed to Him. His power is perfected in weakness. Also see the verse He gave me to walk in for several years, Hos 2.14.

 

[D2wing]

I also agree with Longeth, I have suffered with backsliding and mental illness. The best thing is to praise god and get into the word. Also pray like he is in the room with you. Persevere in the the faith. It takes effort.

 

[dabro]

Like what I have been dealing with has been going on 5 yr's.....I can imagen ppl going thru this blackness for like a yr then dropped onto the top of the MNT! but, it's not like that for me...I have pure O OCD....Where I have this phobia (FEAR) that I'm going to be at God's final Judgment and thrown into hell....Now ppl who suffer from OCD live and have to accept it but, I can't accept that I will live like this my whole life......It is so crucial to accept it but, med withdrawal...benzo addiction....and just a number a psychosis I have been thru. It's hard to see the light....It truely is!

 

[paul1149]

5yrs? I've been dealing with some things for 5 decades. Accepting the reality on the practical level doesn't mean you have to give up. Those who wait on the Lord will renew their strength. The Israelites simply circled Jericho, holding their peace, recounting the goodness and mercy of God. They did nothing about the walls themselves. On the seventh day, when the time was right, those walls fell by themselves.

Be at peace with God. Make that your number one goal. Recognize that these malignant fears are not of God. They are enemy strongholds that will come down when the time is right. Don't allow them to keep you from abiding on the vine, from which you will draw strength. Put on the full armor, hold onto your sabbath rest in Christ, and go confidently to the throne of grace for help in time of need.

 

[dabro]

It's like I can't take this. Withdrawals from meds....To weak and in pain to go to the pharmacy.....exhausted.I just don't want life to be like this......I got saved when I was 16 at winterfest. I heaerd God calling me to repent thru the death of my stepsister. I tried but, the enemy came in and stole what treasure I did have and, I went down a bent road until I was 20. I got hit with a meth induced psychosis. A yr later I gave myself to the Lord. I was humble. I could hear my calling to Minister but, two yr's into it I got hit with another storm. This time with an affliction that I can't seem to shake.....I don't even know if I repented or I'm baclslidden or what but, I feel a rift between me a God. I just want the darkness to end.....In 08 I said I was going to turn my back on God because He didn't seem to give me the wisdom to know when I woman came into my life that, she was to be with me. So I gave up so many relationships because I listened to Paul's teaching's about running from youthful lust's but, could see my hand infront of my face.....The very day I said I was turning my back, the obsessive thought's and anxiety that go's beyond normal anxiety....Crippling anxiety that crushed my desire to minister. Now I'm on psych med's that make me feel numb. If I try to get off them my body go's into shock. Even if I wean.....it's an awful place and I don't want anybody going here.