Disturbing: Jesus vs. Horus

[Vanguard PCD]

Before I get into this, I want to make it clear that I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, my inquisitive mind seeks answers, and sometimes it leads me into dark waters. This is one of those times.

As part of my ongoing ancient history studies, I just completed a side by side comparison of Jesus, the Christian "man god," and Horus, the Egyptian "man god." For the record, Horus was worshiped in Egypt over 1,000 before Jesus was born.

Here's the shocking similarities between their stories:

Horus was the son of the god, Osirus
Jesus was the son of the Christian God.

Horus' mother was Isis-Meri.
Jesus' mother was Miriam (Mary).

Horus' foster father was Jo-seph.
Jesus' foster father was Joseph.

Jo-seph was of royal descent.
Joseph was of royal descent.

Horus was born in a cave.
Jesus was born in a cave (that housed animals).

Horus' was heralded by the star, Sirius.
Jesus was heralded by a star in the east.

Horus' birth was witnessed by shepherds.
Jesus' birth was witnessed by shepherds.

Horus' birth was announced by "angels."
Jesus' birth was announced by angels.

Three solar deities visited Baby Horus.
Three wise men visited Baby Jesus.

Herut tried to have Baby Horus murdered.
Herod tried to have Baby Jesus murdered.

Horus underwent a coming of age ritual at 12.
Jesus underwent the bar mitzvah ritual at 12.

There is no data on Horus from the age of 12-30.
There is no data on Jesus from the age of 12-30.

Horus was baptized in the River Eridanus.
Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan.

Anup the Baptiser baptized Horus.
John the Baptist baptized Jesus.
Both were eventually beheaded.

Here's my problem...Egypt was one of the "power house" civilizations and cultures back then, along with the Persians, Greeks and Romans (at various points in time). It's almost as if the Christian "man god" story is a copycat of the older Egyptian story. I hate to think that way, but when all of those similarities kept popping up, it blew me away.

We already know that it was common practice for nomads and migrants to borrow from the cultures they came across. The Romans did it everywhere they went. This goes way beyond coincidental.

Thoughts?

 

[Phantasman]

It does nothing for me in this respect:

I have always felt John was the true (Gnostic) Gospel. Mark was written from Peters account. Those two don't go into birth details. Matthew and Luke copied Mark, and inserted various things I have questioned for quite awhile. It is why I feel the Bible is tainted.

Your post is just another reason for me to believe that. But truth through Gnosis already prepared me, and Jesus wisdom is still real, just not all in the Bible.

 

[WisdomTree]

Before I get into this, I want to make it clear that I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, my inquisitive mind seeks answers, and sometimes it leads me into dark waters. This is one of those times.

As part of my ongoing ancient history studies, I just completed a side by side comparison of Jesus, the Christian "man god," and Horus, the Egyptian "man god." For the record, Horus was worshiped in Egypt over 1,000 before Jesus was born.

Here's the shocking similarities between their stories:

Horus was the son of the god, Osirus
Jesus was the son of the Christian God.

Horus' mother was Isis-Meri.
Jesus' mother was Miriam (Mary).

Horus' foster father was Jo-seph.
Jesus' foster father was Joseph.

Jo-seph was of royal descent.
Joseph was of royal descent.

Horus was born in a cave.
Jesus was born in a cave (that housed animals).

Horus' was heralded by the star, Sirius.
Jesus was heralded by a star in the east.

Horus' birth was witnessed by shepherds.
Jesus' birth was witnessed by shepherds.

Horus' birth was announced by "angels."
Jesus' birth was announced by angels.

Three solar deities visited Baby Horus.
Three wise men visited Baby Jesus.

Herut tried to have Baby Horus murdered.
Herod tried to have Baby Jesus murdered.

Horus underwent a coming of age ritual at 12.
Jesus underwent the bar mitzvah ritual at 12.

There is no data on Horus from the age of 12-30.
There is no data on Jesus from the age of 12-30.

Horus was baptized in the River Eridanus.
Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan.

Anup the Baptiser baptized Horus.
John the Baptist baptized Jesus.
Both were eventually beheaded.

Here's my problem...Egypt was one of the "power house" civilizations and cultures back then, along with the Persians, Greeks and Romans (at various points in time). It's almost as if the Christian "man god" story is a copycat of the older Egyptian story. I hate to think that way, but when all of those similarities kept popping up, it blew me away.

We already know that it was common practice for nomads and migrants to borrow from the cultures they came across. The Romans did it everywhere they went. This goes way beyond coincidental.

Thoughts?

Could've been God planting some truths in what we call "paganism" that would eventually lead to the complete truth that is Christ.

 

[disciple1938]

This really is not as shocking as it sounds since there is no canonical version of the Horus story. All of these allegations plus several more are based on a book by D.M. Murdoc, a self acclaimed Egyptologist who is not taken serious by any scientific investigators. The collection was taken from a batch of unsubstanciated stories of various Egyptian gods , minced and mixed together like a salad. The most common legend about the birth of Horus is that the god Seth dismembered the body of Osiris, his older brother and husband of Isis. Isis collected the pieces of her husband’s body and sewed them back together, then took the form of a bird and fanned Osiris with her wings, reviving him enough to have sex and get herself pregnant with Horus. So it’s sex with a coma patient or necrophilia — not your classic virgin-birth story either way.

As for the crucifixion and resurrection, the party involved wasn’t Horus but Osiris, as per the above. Except Osiris wasn’t crucified — Seth initially had him nailed into a coffin. And he wasn’t really resurrected, just revived long enough to be a sperm donor, after which he died again.

Then again, there really isn’t a canonical version of the Horus story. Browsing through the stelae, you will find a variant in which the child Horus is stung to death by a scorpion, then restored to life by the god Thoth. So OK, are there points of similarity between Jesus and Horus? I’ll be big about it and say sure. Is one copied from the other? Get out.

The real difference between Egyptian mythology and the story of Jesus is that the former is clearly a fable full of beings with super powers, whereas the latter is told in realistic terms with the occasional miracle thrown in. The simplest explanation for this is that the New Testament is largely about a real person, with embellishments added to impress the rubes or make a doctrinal point. I venture to say this was the working assumption among a sizable fraction of scholars for a long time, and many still hold to it. But I’d also say the story of Jesus in the Bible was written by men who were eye witnesses to the events of which they testified. JMO

 

[timewerx]

It does nothing for me in this respect:

I have always felt John was the true (Gnostic) Gospel. Mark was written from Peters account. Those two don't go into birth details. Matthew and Luke copied Mark, and inserted various things I have questioned for quite awhile. It is why I feel the Bible is tainted.

Thanks Phantasman.

The youtube video below may help prove your view of pagan beliefs corrupting/mingling with the Bible.

It's not just the circumstances leading to the Bible Canon that's questionable but the message within itself too.

The teachings of Jesus still hold for the same concepts were also found in Book of Enoch.

This discovery BLEW MY MIND - Part 1 - YouTube

 

[disciple1938]

This discovery BLEW MY MIND - Part 1 - YouTube

I suppose we could all profess to have our minds so easily blown as the author of the above script, but thankfully, as the scriptures confess: "We have the mind of christ." so are not moved by every wind of doctrine that blows accross our path.

 

[RadicalDissenter]

The parallels between the New Testament and pagan mythology are always highly speculative. Like the claim that the belief in the virgin birth of Jesus was taken from Mithraism. Actually Mithra, according to Mithraism, was not born of a woman at all, but of the ground (earth). Pagan deities procreate to have sons and daughters, while the title Son of God in the Bible has no literal biological sense.

 

[timewerx]

The Bible is not infallible it will take someone with blind faith to miss out the errors and conflicts in teachings within.

That is why Christians who quote a lot from Paul's verses or the Old Testament, could not quote the same from Gospels that contradict those teachings...

If you force them the issue, they will come up with a defense "the word of God is a double-edged sword" or "The teachings of Jesus are figurative"....

....In a manner of speaking, one thing and also do the opposite of it. Hard for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God but you can be a rich Christian. Hate money, well... it's not really hate.... Madman's logic I suppose!

Popular "Christian" doctrines are twisted to serve the flesh... It's heavily biased towards a life of worldliness, friendship with the world and the traditions of men by simply not rebuking such lifestyles...

Just look at USA, a nation "proud" to have at least 70% of its population as Christians! When it's pretty much the harlot of babylon together with Israel

 

[Luvtosew]

I've been a rC Christian born and raised for many decades, now I am a Christian (not rc), and have been reading much about Egyptian, Greece, Persian, and Roman history and about Gods for the last two years, I'm sorry in a way I was so inquistitive, but the Bible often raised more questions than answers for me, I am pretty much convinced Jesus is a fable, whether he walked the earth or not I don't know, who does, but I have no problem there was a man named Jesus who was very enlightened, but he was not the Jesus of the Christian religion. Roman invention is what I have come too, esp. after reading all of Josephus, eseubius writing on Prep of the NT , just lots of reading.
I still consider myself a Christian in so much that I believe in God, and life after death. This has been very upsetting to me, but I am learning to live with it, as Jesus is so ingrained as God in most of us since birth.

 

[timewerx]

for the last two years, I'm sorry in a way I was so inquistitive, but the Bible often raised more questions than answers for me

Don't be sorry for spotting lies.

Roman Catholicism and many popular "Christian" denominations don't really stand apart from each other. Both religion tolerates wickedness and worldliness within the walls of their church.

 

[Soulgazer]

Our church deals with it this way:

Story as Mythology

Mythology may be entertaining, but it is not entertainment. Nor does it matter if Mythology is physically true, or impossible. Mythology is carefully crafted to highlight the highest of human ideology, thus using physical imaging to tell of those things that are invisible; Faith, Hope, Love. When learning of spiritual truth, which is invisible, a way has to be made to tell it in word images. This is the way that we communicate with each other, and also the way that we use to discover our own potential.

We use the early Christian mythology that is found in the NHL and parts of the Bible. We are not arguing that it is historically accurate or even probable—-for our purposes believing it to be of absolute historical accuracy DOESN’T matter; In the movie PATTON, one of General Patton’s aides consoled Patton over his opponents absence from the battlefield by saying “If you have defeated Rommel’s plan, have you not defeated Rommel?” By the same token, if we have followed Jesus’ plan for salvation, this makes us Christian despite Jesus’ presence or absence on the “battlefield”. It won’t matter if Jesus was a real person if you cannot find Christ within yourself, and it will not matter if He wasn’t really born in a manger if you DO find Him within yourself.

By the same token, we MUST believe that the stories attributed to Jesus are paramount and priceless in their spiritual value if they are to have any impact on our lives whatsoever. To be “lukewarm” in anything spiritual is the ultimate error, resulting in a hodgepodge belief system that will ultimately stall and fail when it is needed most. Because of this simple, but often hard to take truth, we keep with a set methodology, emphasizing that which has shown positive results, and de-emphasizing that which has not ultimately mattered.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

I don't claim to be an expert in Egyptian mythology but I've read a fair amount about it and I've never come across most of that stuff in the myths regarding Horus. Where did they get the idea that his mom was miryam for example? He has been portrayed as the son of Isis and also of Hathor but I've never seen Miraym mentioned. Horus wasn't a human or a godman to begin with either in all the myths I've seen thus he didn't have a human mother named Mirayam his mother was a goddess. If the statements didn't come with footnotes you could check up on with links to actual ancient texts I would take them with a grain of salt.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Assuming that they were all true though... It still wouldn't cause me to doubt the truth of the Christian gnosis. "Pagans" have access to the indwelling logos too. It would only make sense that their experiences might be expressed in similar stories. It would no more shock me to see similar stories in Egyptian religion than it would to see similar stories in the Jewish religion. We are all human and share in our accesses to the archetypes that transcend cultural and religious differences.

 

[timewerx]

Assuming that they were all true though... It still wouldn't cause me to doubt the truth of the Christian gnosis. "Pagans" have access to the indwelling logos too. It would only make sense that their experiences might be expressed in similar stories. It would no more shock me to see similar stories in Egyptian religion than it would to see similar stories in the Jewish religion. We are all human and share in our accesses to the archetypes that transcend cultural and religious differences.

As the Space Shuttle Columbia, it only took one, tiny damage in the heat shield to doom the whole ship.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

As the Space Shuttle Columbia, it only took one, tiny damage in the heat shield to doom the whole ship.

Yeah, always good to pay special attention to the heat shield.

 

[Xpistis sopheiaX]

I've read Dionysus and Osiris are very similar to Christ also.

These things are problems for Christians who think they have a monopoly on God, but I'm certain God wishes to speak to everyone.

If Christianity was wiped out today Christ would appear to mankind in another form the next day.

 

[Soulgazer]

As the Space Shuttle Columbia, it only took one, tiny damage in the heat shield to doom the whole ship.

Perhaps the damage to the heat shield would not have had to happen if everyone had paid attention to all of the knowlefge available to them.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

Then again, there really isn’t a canonical version of the Horus story. Browsing through the stelae, you will find a variant in which the child Horus is stung to death by a scorpion, then restored to life by the god Thoth. So OK, are there points of similarity between Jesus and Horus? I’ll be big about it and say sure. Is one copied from the other? Get out.

The real difference between Egyptian mythology and the story of Jesus is that the former is clearly a fable full of beings with super powers, whereas the latter is told in realistic terms with the occasional miracle thrown in. The simplest explanation for this is that the New Testament is largely about a real person, with embellishments added to impress the rubes or make a doctrinal point. I venture to say this was the working assumption among a sizable fraction of scholars for a long time, and many still hold to it. But I’d also say the story of Jesus in the Bible was written by men who were eye witnesses to the events of which they testified. JMO

If you are going to plagiarize, at least cite the source:

The Straight Dope: Was Jesus copied from the Egyptian god Horus?

Sorry, but you just lost all credibility in my book.

 

[St. Paul]

Before I get into this, I want to make it clear that I believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, my inquisitive mind seeks answers, and sometimes it leads me into dark waters. This is one of those times.

As part of my ongoing ancient history studies, I just completed a side by side comparison of Jesus, the Christian "man god," and Horus, the Egyptian "man god." For the record, Horus was worshiped in Egypt over 1,000 before Jesus was born.

Here's the shocking similarities between their stories:

Horus was the son of the god, Osirus
Jesus was the son of the Christian God.

Horus' mother was Isis-Meri.
Jesus' mother was Miriam (Mary).

Horus' foster father was Jo-seph.
Jesus' foster father was Joseph.

Jo-seph was of royal descent.
Joseph was of royal descent.

Horus was born in a cave.
Jesus was born in a cave (that housed animals).

Horus' was heralded by the star, Sirius.
Jesus was heralded by a star in the east.

Horus' birth was witnessed by shepherds.
Jesus' birth was witnessed by shepherds.

Horus' birth was announced by "angels."
Jesus' birth was announced by angels.

Three solar deities visited Baby Horus.
Three wise men visited Baby Jesus.

Herut tried to have Baby Horus murdered.
Herod tried to have Baby Jesus murdered.

Horus underwent a coming of age ritual at 12.
Jesus underwent the bar mitzvah ritual at 12.

There is no data on Horus from the age of 12-30.
There is no data on Jesus from the age of 12-30.

Horus was baptized in the River Eridanus.
Jesus was baptized in the River Jordan.

Anup the Baptiser baptized Horus.
John the Baptist baptized Jesus.
Both were eventually beheaded.

Here's my problem...Egypt was one of the "power house" civilizations and cultures back then, along with the Persians, Greeks and Romans (at various points in time). It's almost as if the Christian "man god" story is a copycat of the older Egyptian story. I hate to think that way, but when all of those similarities kept popping up, it blew me away.

We already know that it was common practice for nomads and migrants to borrow from the cultures they came across. The Romans did it everywhere they went. This goes way beyond coincidental.

Thoughts?

None of this nonsense is true. Let me guess, you got this list from acharya s or one of her followers. I've read a few of her books. Pretty poor scholarship. I couldn't verify ANY of her ridiculous claims.

 

[Vanguard PCD]

None of this nonsense is true. Let me guess, you got this list from acharya s or one of her followers. I've read a few of her books. Pretty poor scholarship. I couldn't verify ANY of her ridiculous claims.

Nope, my own independent studies. There are over 200 claims of similarity. Some true, some false. These were the verifiable ones, based off historical texts.

Maybe you were looking in the wrong place?