How do you overcome bitterness toward God?

[now faith]

Through prayer, giving alms, and by practicing forgiveness of others as you wish to be forgiven. Also by participating in the sacramental grace offered by Jesus Christ through his sacraments. Particularly the sacrament of Holy Eucharist.

JOHN 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."
[52] The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
[53] So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;
[54] he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
[57] As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.
[58] This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever."

With all due respect,this is not a Catholic forum.
We do not subscribe to the Pope nor any ceremonies of the Catholic Church.
But if you are seeking to learn about our Faith we welcome you.

 

[now faith]

Hmmm..! Maybe more than one.

Greater works...
_____________
Harry

Well call the Marines,their always on duty bless God.

 

[now faith]

Well I apologize for some of my colleagues here. I think some of us need to put away the prosperity, faith, and authority over the devil books and revisit Kenneth Hagin's "Walking in love" teachings. We sometimes forget Paul's admonition to "speak the truth in love".

On the other hand, keep in mind that many detractors of the faith movement come in here just to argue and try to set traps for people. It is not an excuse for some of the lack of compassion shown you, but it can wary a person.

Now, are you willing to listen to sound Biblical reasons (compassionately given of course)? For example, I showed you some of your misunderstandings about Job. You did not acknowledge it. Do you want the truth that will help you overcome bitterness towards God? If so, I want to help you. However, if you have a mindset about God and Job and you are going to stick to that and argue about it then nothing more can be said here by me.

So let me know what you want.

God love you, but we should never put away any of the promises of God.
I am a huge fan of Kenneth Hagin senior.
He did not compromise on prosperity, but he rebuked those in error on it.
The people who are blasting our Faith here have no understanding of what they are stating.
If you feel we should put away Prosperity, Faith and Authority,and sell out to pressure from others you may consider the reason for this.
Love never fails,and is the greatest gift but our anchor must hold on the Word.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I'm wondering how you do this. Can anyone help?

First off you come to realized that whatever has happened to you to cause this bitterness, God did not do it to you. Once there... it is pretty much finished.

 

[victoryword]

God love you, but we should never put away any of the promises of God.
I am a huge fan of Kenneth Hagin senior.
He did not compromise on prosperity, but he rebuked those in error on it.
The people who are blasting our Faith here have no understanding of what they are stating.
If you feel we should put away Prosperity, Faith and Authority,and sell out to pressure from others you may consider the reason for this.
Love never fails,and is the greatest gift but our anchor must hold on the Word.

Never told you to put away any of God's promises nor did I tell you to compromise. I told you to walk in love. If you are focusing on all the blessings you can get from God (which is what I meant by the books) and treating people like crap then how are you pleasing God. Look at your misrepresentation of my post - a fellow WoFer - was that love? You seem to be very angry and bitter and ready to attack anyone.

Faith works by love. You want to keep acting like the donkey's backside to non-wof people who come here with questions then you give a bad representation to the movement.

I have dealt with detractors for years so I know what I am talking about. Put away your anger and learn to love people and the promises of God will actually work for you and not just be a doctrine you hold to.

 

[victoryword]

First off you come to realized that whatever has happened to you to cause this bitterness, God did not do it to you. Once there... it is pretty much finished.

Exactly. Great Post Dids. Short, succinct, but full of truth.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

And I have. But I'm beyond angry. I'm bitter. Bitterness is when unresolved anger takes root in the heart. I could potentially end up walking away from God at some point, if my heart does not change or if God doesn't do something. I have talked to god about this. Nothing changes, he doesn't care as you say.

I guess we'll see what happens. We know he won't do anything, so it's probably going to be the former.

You're right, we didn't ask to be here. It's customary for a good parent to take care of their children and their needs and sometimes, even their wants. But I guess human rules don't apply to Yahweh, do they?

SC, I suspect you may be another victim of the "God is in control of everything" error. IOWs if something happens, God did it. God is the cause of all your problems. He kills children, he breaks up marriages, He hits you with an earthquake. Let me suggest that this is a huge lie. He is not doing any of these things. Part of what destroys faith is holding to these false notions. How can we believe against something that we think God orchestrated in our lives? You cannot. Some of this error is perpetrated because people elevate the "General Attributes of God" over the "Jesus image of the Father" and so they are holding a false image of what the Father is like. Therefore they are infected with false beliefs like "God is in control of everything" and "God's ways are higher than our ways" and therefore might be evil. No, never. This building you are living in is very old and very settled and based on a pseudo-Christian theology that is ancient and wrong. You need a total renovation. Tear that old wreck down, kick out the "General attributes" plan and use the "Jesus" plan.
What do you have to lose? Your life and faith sounds like it is already a wreck.
Jesus has saved you from everything we can be saved from.
Seek Him and find out.

 

[morethanenough06]

I'm wondering how you do this. Can anyone help?

I have been angry at God as well. I don't understand why He has allowed so much to be dumped on me; why, when my arms are stretched out to Him in humble worship, does He still choose to ignore my dreams, my hopes, my needs. In our simple humanness, it can be so hard to understand. The thing we have against us is really our own limitations. We can't see the big picture. We can't see how small little "I" fits into the puzzle, or even how the present circumstance we're facing fits in. If we could see it, would we say, "Ah, it all makes sense now. I get it, and it's all good."? I think we probably would. As a matter of fact, when I look over previous chapters of my life, chapters that already have an ending to them, it all makes sense. I get why God did what He did. But we don't wear those glasses; we don't see the sense in it all. I guess that's where faith comes in.

But in the meantime... what do we do? How do we get past that anger and bitterness? I guess the same as we get past it with anyone else. We work through it. A number of weeks ago I was very angry with God. I gave Him the silent treatment. Then finally, one day, I started to talk. I told Him I was angry at Him. I got mad. Funny, but that wall crumbled down, right there. Just expressing it somehow helped. It almost sounds too simple.

Talk to God. Tell Him how you're feeling. Ask Him to help you understand. I am not through the anger journey myself. I am struggling to make sense of the place I'm in right now. But I find God putting people in my life, people that are speaking to that need, giving me word pictures that could only be straight from God. He's giving me answers. Let Him speak to you. Let Him walk with you through those raw and negative emotions. He will bring you to the other side of them.

I have prayed for you today.

 

[nhisname]

I have been angry at God as well. I don't understand why He has allowed so much to be dumped on me; why, when my arms are stretched out to Him in humble worship, does He still choose to ignore my dreams, my hopes, my needs. In our simple humanness, it can be so hard to understand. The thing we have against us is really our own limitations. We can't see the big picture. We can't see how small little "I" fits into the puzzle, or even how the present circumstance we're facing fits in. If we could see it, would we say, "Ah, it all makes sense now. I get it, and it's all good."? I think we probably would. As a matter of fact, when I look over previous chapters of my life, chapters that already have an ending to them, it all makes sense. I get why God did what He did. But we don't wear those glasses; we don't see the sense in it all. I guess that's where faith comes in.

But in the meantime... what do we do? How do we get past that anger and bitterness? I guess the same as we get past it with anyone else. We work through it. A number of weeks ago I was very angry with God. I gave Him the silent treatment. Then finally, one day, I started to talk. I told Him I was angry at Him. I got mad. Funny, but that wall crumbled down, right there. Just expressing it somehow helped. It almost sounds too simple.

Talk to God. Tell Him how you're feeling. Ask Him to help you understand. I am not through the anger journey myself. I am struggling to make sense of the place I'm in right now. But I find God putting people in my life, people that are speaking to that need, giving me word pictures that could only be straight from God. He's giving me answers. Let Him speak to you. Let Him walk with you through those raw and negative emotions. He will bring you to the other side of them.

I have prayed for you today.

God Bless you for your testamony. Alot of Christians are led to believe that once you are saved everything just automatically becomes wonderful. Just the opposite, the Christian life is very hard because God is continually working on us to be as Christlife as we can be in this lifetime. Disappointments will happpen and he gives us the grace to deal with it and in so doing we are strengthened in our faith. Faith is what pleases God.

 

[hhodgson]

I have been angry at God as well. I don't understand why He has allowed so much to be dumped on me; why, when my arms are stretched out to Him in humble worship, does He still choose to ignore my dreams, my hopes, my needs. In our simple humanness, it can be so hard to understand. The thing we have against us is really our own limitations. We can't see the big picture. We can't see how small little "I" fits into the puzzle, or even how the present circumstance we're facing fits in. If we could see it, would we say, "Ah, it all makes sense now. I get it, and it's all good."? I think we probably would. As a matter of fact, when I look over previous chapters of my life, chapters that already have an ending to them, it all makes sense. I get why God did what He did. But we don't wear those glasses; we don't see the sense in it all. I guess that's where faith comes in.

Wow... why are so many Christians angry at God..? Is this thinking another way that God can be confused at us..? I have brought this topic up recently in another thread. Please don't be angry and bitter, or blame God. God is not guilty... (WE are..) However, by accepting Christ as our personal Saviour, we are made justified (just as if it never happened). In God's eyes, we are made righteous. ALL of our sins are forgiven and remembered no more... I highlighted your quote above and the end quote on the bottom. Actually, we "can" see the big picture... BUT not through our natural yes, but through the eyes of faith. Here are a few scriptures, I pray that will help you...

Heb. 11:6- "Without faith, it is impossible to please God."

2 Cor. 4:18- "So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal." (NIV)

Rom. 4:17- "We are to call those things that do not exist as though they did." (NIV)
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If we do this, then we will see the bigger picture through the eyes of faith. Contrary to what some believe... these scriptures are for us today,

2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
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Also, your lower quote is "almost" your own answer. (I guess that's where faith comes in.) Your correct... Thats where faith comes in... Just leave the "I guess" out of the equation. Now, your talking "faith." Does that sound better..? Better yet... Now, your "pleasing" God...

Again, if we do these things, then God won't ignore your dreams, your hopes, your needs. Believe that you receive, and start seeing God's WORD work through the eyes of faith and then it will truly make sense.

God is not angry at you so don't be angry at God... I suggest you google the "authority of the believer" by Andrew Wommack and find out who you are in Christ. Once you do, you just may repent of being angry at God. He loves you, He really does...


Greater works... for such a time as this...
_____________
Harry

 

[hhodgson]

And I have. But I'm beyond angry. I'm bitter. Bitterness is when unresolved anger takes root in the heart. I could potentially end up walking away from God at some point, if my heart does not change or if God doesn't do something. I have talked to god about this. Nothing changes, he doesn't care as you say. I guess we'll see what happens. We know he won't do anything, so it's probably going to be the former.

God loves you sc... Remember the story... two footprints in the sand and one disappears. My God, my God, why did you leave me and forsake me you may say... You have probably heard this before sc but God did not leave or forsake you, even during your times of anger and bitterness toward him. The one lone foot print was..... Him carrying you...

The first step to resolve your anger (your quote), is to humbly bow before Him and say... Lord, I acknowledge my error in being angry and bitter at you. Lord, I change my heart and receive your forgiveness and thank you for carrying me through my trials when I thought you walked away. I remember the song, "He was there all the time, waiting patiently in line... He was there all the time.."

As I said to one other poster which is for you as well... God loves you, He really does...


Greater works... for such a time as this...
_____________
Harry

 

[victoryword]

A lot of the traditional teaching in the church has painted a very bad picture of our loving Father, one that leads people to become bitter with Him because they REALLY don't know Him. Our Father is just like Jesus. Any picture of God that is not like Jesus comes from Satan. Paul said:

All they have eyes for is the fashionable god of darkness. They think he can give them what they want, and that they won't have to bother believing a Truth they can't see. They're stone-blind to the dayspring brightness of the Message that shines with Christ, who gives us the best picture of God we'll ever get. (2 Cor. 4:4; The Message Bible)

Jesus gives us the best picture of God. Jesus came to earth and showed us God who does not destroy, but saves from destruction, who does not bring sickness, but heals people, not one who controls the devil and makes him do his bidding, but wars against the devil and delivers us from his oppression. This is the best picture of God, the one found in Jesus.

When we come to know our compassionate, loving, sweet, kind, and benevolent heavenly Father then it won't matter anymore what life has thrown at you, you will not be angry or bitter with Him. You will know that it is not His fault and that He is for us and not against us.

He weeps when we weep. He rejoices when we rejoices. When we are hurting He is reaching out His hand to hold us and hug us and comfort us. He, like any father who loves his children, our Heavenly Father is ready to take on every force arrayed against us and destroy them.

Jesus came on earth casting out demons and healing the sick. He came to earth and went to war against Satan. He did not put sickness on anyone nore did he send evil spirits to possess people. And He said, "I do what I see my Father doing" and He said, "if you have seen me then you have seen the Father". Luke said that God was working through Christ to deliver us from Satan's oppression.

When we grasp these truths, we won't be bitter towards God. Instead we will run to Him and cry on His shoulders.

Stop listen to the "God is in control" people and the "there's a reason for everything" folks. Come to know how Jesus truly operates.

 

[hhodgson]

Forgive me, but I thought this song was appropriate for such a time as this... I used this song at times when I was worship leader in my AoG Church back in the early eighties that my family attended... Enjoy and remember. I hope the OP approves.


Harvest Celebration - Ken Smith - He was there all the time - YouTube



The Lord would say, "Why are you angry and bitter at me..? I sent my Son to die in your place so you can live... I turned my back on my Son so I can turn back around and receive you... just as you are... When you thought you were all alone... I was there... Whatever trial, whatever troubles you are going through... I am already there for you... Whatever situation you are in... I am there... Whatever disappointment you are facing... I am there... In all of these situations and all others coming your way... I WAS THERE ALL THE TIME.

The Lord would say... I AM your God... Come to Me and I'll give you rest. Let Me change your heart and melt any anger and bitterness and turn them into the same love that that put My Son on the cross in your place.


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

 

[hhodgson]

Well I apologize for some of my colleagues here. I think some of us need to put away the prosperity, faith, and authority over the devil books.

God love you, but we should never put away any of the promises of God.
I am a huge fan of Kenneth Hagin senior.
He did not compromise on prosperity, but he rebuked those in error on it.
The people who are blasting our Faith here have no understanding of what they are stating.
If you feel we should put away Prosperity, Faith and Authority,and sell out to pressure from others you may consider the reason for this.
Love never fails,and is the greatest gift but our anchor must hold on the Word.

Never told you to put away any of God's promises nor did I tell you to compromise. I told you to walk in love. If you are focusing on all the blessings you can get from God (which is what I meant by the books) and treating people like crap then how are you pleasing God. Look at your misrepresentation of my post - a fellow WoFer - was that love? You seem to be very angry and bitter and ready to attack anyone.

Faith works by love. You want to keep acting like the donkey's backside to non-wof people who come here with questions then you give a bad representation to the movement.

I have dealt with detractors for years so I know what I am talking about. Put away your anger and learn to love people and the promises of God will actually work for you and not just be a doctrine you hold to.

Hey Troy... I'm a little perplexed by your response to now faith. Unless I'm missing something, I don't see the very angry and bitter in his posts or treating people like crap, nor do I see him "attacking." He was more into defense mode. Do you have the right guy..? He did make a comment to the Catholic who wasn't exactly teaching WoF.

Now faith's response to your comment on some of us putting away the prosperity, faith, and authority over the devil books just left it open for a further comment from you for clarification is all I saw in his response.

From what I know about now faith is "not" keeping on acting like a donkey's back side to non-wof people. He always welcomes with open arms. We remember the onslaughts we have had that came in here in rapid fire in recent past. Sometimes these onslaughts went on for days before the moderators finally stopped and deleted scores of posts from these outside predators who one wonders if they were Christians at all. Sometimes we can come across being "over-protective" at times, however we remember....

It was noted that you, yourself just had a little run in response with an old Carm adversary, if I can use that word. Nothing really bad but no more or less than now faith's response. Can we agree on this..? I love both of you guys and hoping these responses are just miss-understandings.

If my interpretation of this is wrong, then boy do I apologize to both of you... If I stand corrected... So be it. Does not change my love for you guys.


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

 

[now faith]

Never told you to put away any of God's promises nor did I tell you to compromise. I told you to walk in love. If you are focusing on all the blessings you can get from God (which is what I meant by the books) and treating people like crap then how are you pleasing God. Look at your misrepresentation of my post - a fellow WoFer - was that love? You seem to be very angry and bitter and ready to attack anyone.

Faith works by love. You want to keep acting like the donkey's backside to non-wof people who come here with questions then you give a bad representation to the movement.

I have dealt with detractors for years so I know what I am talking about. Put away your anger and learn to love people and the promises of God will actually work for you and not just be a doctrine you hold to.

I could use your help,in another post.
Its from seeker of darkness,his tag line is AntiChrist.
I did not realize I was treating people like crap or acting like a donkeys backside.
You stated we should put away our books on prosperity,faith and the devil.
The hair that is split would be I referenced the promises of God.
I stand corrected.
What I should have said,contained in the books are teachings about the promises of God.
The three books we should put aside is the core of W.O.F teaching am I to understand this to be what you said?

 

[victoryword]

Harry and Now Faith

I apologize if I wrote in a way that would make myself misunderstood. Ah, the nature of forums....

What I am saying is that if we focus so much on all the blessings from God that we learned are rightfully ours but miss what men like Hagin and others taught us about the love walk then we are focusing too much on one thing at the exclusion of the other. That is what I meant by putting aside the books on those wonderful promises of God and focusing on our conduct towards others.

Believe me, I have debated the harshest and cruelest of the anti-wofers so I know the feelings of anger that can easily arise when you are denigrated, insulted and misrepresented by heresy hunters. However, we must not become like them.

If non-wofers are coming here asking questions, even if their trols, then so what? Answer their questions with kindness, politeness, and just assume that they are sincere. It gives us an opportunity to not only express love and show that we are walking in the truth, but it is always an opportunity to set the record straight.

If the real trolls show their true motives then refute them the best you can in love. If they get real nasty, hold your peace and report them to a moderator. But let's show the world that the Faith MOvement is different from the heresy hunters. They have hatred and are looking to destroy us. We have love, know how to walk in it, and know how to react as Jesus does.

When we walk in love our faith will work and all of these wonderful promises can be easily claimed. If we act like the devil's children (showing anger and hatred) then we place ourselves outside of God's protection and blessing.

I say this from experience. I have reacted in anger to heresy hunters so many times to my shame. But there really are sincere enquirers out there. Love and patience will win them.

UNless we want this forum to be a litle clubhouse for discussing our pet doctrines, let's welcome seekers of truth here.

 

[victoryword]

I could use your help,in another post.
Its from seeker of darkness,his tag line is AntiChrist.
I did not realize I was treating people like crap or acting like a donkeys backside.
You stated we should put away our books on prosperity,faith and the devil.
The hair that is split would be I referenced the promises of God.
I stand corrected.
What I should have said,contained in the books are teachings about the promises of God.
The three books we should put aside is the core of W.O.F teaching am I to understand this to be what you said?

Hang in there Now Faith. God is going to do great things in your life. Love ya man. Give me a CYBER HUG!!!



I'll be over there to deal with that guy later today or tomorrow

 

[now faith]

Hang in there Now Faith. God is going to do great things in your life. Love ya man. Give me a CYBER HUG!!!



I'll be over there to deal with that guy later today or tomorrow

Thanks,sometimes I move to the conditioned response mode.
It often hampers a chance to witness to someone seeking deeper understanding.
It is my opinion that we are a movement rather than a denomination,this allows for anyone to work under our badge.
Some are all about the cash,they spend all of their time concocting obscure blessings if you give x amounts to their cause.
So outsiders assume that all W.OF. are this way,which is a distortion.
We do stand on the promises of God and believe in prosperity,financial,physical,spiritual.
So there is the confusion and often when the critics out right refer to us as greedy or casting spells I try to be angry and sin not.
God bless.

 

[victoryword]

Thanks,sometimes I move to the conditioned response mode.
It often hampers a chance to witness to someone seeking deeper understanding.
It is my opinion that we are a movement rather than a denomination,this allows for anyone to work under our badge.
Some are all about the cash,they spend all of their time concocting obscure blessings if you give x amounts to their cause.
So outsiders assume that all W.OF. are this way,which is a distortion.
We do stand on the promises of God and believe in prosperity,financial,physical,spiritual.
So there is the confusion and often when the critics out right refer to us as greedy or casting spells I try to be angry and sin not.
God bless.

I'm guilty of it at times myself so I don't present myself as having it all together. When I give a conditioned response instead of one of love then please set me straight. We are here for one another.

I know the anger that one can feel when critics make baseless insults. Felt it more times than I care to count and sometimes I could react with strong harshness on my part. But I am getting better with age.

Soon we'll have a resource that will refute all of their ridiculous criticism about us.

 

[Jedi.Kep]

I'm wondering how you do this. Can anyone help?

Time and learning the truth about the situation. For example, if you had been taught all your life that 'God takes so and so because he needed another angel,' then you might need to take that 'teaching' and compare it to the Word. The Word of God brings light and life and can deflate that balloon of bitterness quickly. It takes knowing the truth, then you are set free.