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Is it an unfair stereotype to say asians are forced into submission?

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CounselorForChrist

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I have a filipino fiance (soon to be wife) and many I talk to when I say shes submissive say "How do you know shes not submissive because thats how asian women are raised? How do you even know then if she really loves you or if shes really submissive because of her christianity?"

It drives me nuts to hear people say that. Of course I live in America where women are taught to be feminist and not really put up with being submissive at all.
 

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it would help to disambiguate between love and submissiveness. for example, i am married to a Christian man, who understands that my tolerance for submissiveness is very slight. he loves me, so he tries not to be too controlling. i love him, so i try to be considerate of his needs and wants. i love him, but i am only somewhat submissive to him. they are two different things. one has to do with feelings, and one has to do with the God-given structure of a marriage. love needs to be the main thing, and the submissiveness should be secondary, in my opinion.
 
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Because if she's submissive, you don't know the real her. She likes that you're American, free, and not so domineering toward the opposite sex. But once the real her comes out, you may no longer have the makings of a marriage. You need to know the real her (non-submissive) first before marrying. Because once you get married, you WILL know the real her! You need to make sure the her after you marry and the her before are the same thing.
 
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not sure if it's true that you won't know "the real her". some people are naturally more passive and tractable. others are not. but there is some truth to this...because some people will be passive until they come out of their shells. in other words, submissiveness can be a real personality trait, and it can be a spiritual choice, and it can also be a habit that might change over time and the real person comes out. either way, it's important to know her true thoughts and feelings.
 
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Well because she lives at home with her moms whos a pastor she says shes under a microscope. The real her likes to enjoy life a bit like go out to a mall, see a movie... just general things most people do. Overall shes not submissive as in I could control her. But when it comes to bigger decisions she asks me first usually because she says I am the head of the house (well not obviously). Especially when it comes to christiain things like reading a christian book. She asks if I know about so she doesn't read anything with conflicting views to ours.

Her one aunt thinks she hard headed because shes with someone (me) whos disabled, can't work. Oh and because I am italian which means I am cheap, lol, silly stereotypes. But my fiance says shes accepting of my disabilities and in the end its my heart that matters to her. She loves that I put God first and am strong like that. And of course that I am more loving and open then most men are (I don't act all manly).

If theres one thing though about her though. She is a bit nieve and overly nice about the world because shes never really been in it where as her siblings have as missionaries. I'm sure over time she will learn more about how things can be. I've already taught her some things such as to be careful as a woman since men, especially in America will still hit on you even if your married. I sadly think its why she got raped last week. She thought the guy was just being, but he was really just acting charming so he could get near an alley (or where it happened) to rape her.

Since then shes told me shes learned alot about how people can be. But I will protect her the best I can when we are together. I just hope America isn't to much of a culture shock for her.
 
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I have a filipino fiance (soon to be wife) and many I talk to when I say shes submissive say "How do you know shes not submissive because thats how asian women are raised? How do you even know then if she really loves you or if shes really submissive because of her christianity?"
In my opinion, it's not a problem with the nature of your fiance submission. In fact, it is good and accordance with the teachings of the Bible.

Colossians 3 : 18 - 19 (NKJV)
18 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.
19 Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them.

Though both of you have not officially married, but she has shown this commendable action.

Many Asian woman (particularly south east Asian) have always been taught that love and submission/obedience are inseparable in marriage life. This is a common habit there. So, when she love you, it is mean she will submit to you. This might be considered as a weakness , but as long as she is still able to take simple decisions without completely relying to you, I think it is still good.
 
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Well yeah thats what I think. I'm not into controlling people but I do realize the bible says a wife should be submissive. Its why I like as you stated, she does make simple decisions without needing me. Even though we are not married I have told her (and her friends/family) she is as the bible says, the crown upon my head. A Proverbs 31 women. Shes not perfect mind you. But no one is. I love her so much.

Dating american women I never found them to be submissive in any way. Most likley due to the feminist stuff here. If God forbid she was to die early in life I'd stay single since how she is seems rare. Especially the fact shes isn't disgusted by the fact I am disabled (nothing physically) or that I can't work (for now at least). Not to mention she always turns to me for christian/biblical advice. I feel so wonderful knowing we live pretty close to how we should as a christian couple.
 
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Not all Filipino women are submissive. You'll find the most ambitious ones and those with high-flying careers are as feminist as USA or Euro-born women and with many similarities in personality.

But if we be honest right now and not be deceived by our own hearts, I'd say, whenever we see an American or European or Australian we see $$$ or a chance to have a better life... ...A way out of 3rd world life of poverty and misery (in most cases).

If a woman has a Filipino suitor vs an American(or any guy from a 1st world country), her family would unanimously vote for the the guy with 1st world citizenship or permanent residency.

I really hate to say these things but for the sake of rebuke and that the Truth may be known and cause others to repent. People need to know these actions are unscriptural and unChristian. Jesus even implied that a man's salary bracket, wealth, obviously could include citizenship too does not make up the character of a man, not even a tiny bit! So it's wrong to give weight to these things as a True Christian. It's covetousness to want to live the life of others, such as those living in USA or Europe, etc. Jesus taught us contentment, self-denial, carry our cross. I doubt you can fit "American Dream" under those commands.

I'm not saying all Filipinos are like that but it's not an uncommon thing and statistics prove it exists, sadly... ...And we must repent of it before it's too late.

I too was once guilty of such covetousness but out of God's mercy, He revealed to me my sin which I have not known out of ignorance of scriptures. So I repented, hurriedly went back home, abandoning my "American Dream" and never looked back. I never felt so free in my entire life!:thumbsup:

Sorry for hijacking your thread but I thought this was an opportunity for the Truth to be preached.

To the OP, I don't mean to imply your wife is that. If your union is out of True Love, then I hope you may have a life-long of good and loving marriage and may God bless your marriage and future kids.:thumbsup:
 
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No problem! :)

We got married March 16th in the Philippines. She is submissive mostly, especially after a few days in and she realized I am who I say I am. Honest, gentle, loving, patient...etc.She is a very hard worker. Perhaps to hard to the point of she doesn't care to go on vacations lol. But I can't complain. Most americans seem to be lazy workers in comparison.

I did ask if she is looking forward to coming to America. She says it makes her a little sad because america doesn't seem family oriented. And of course the cultural things shes not sure how to handle them. That and she doesn't know what to do about people with other beliefs. I told her america has its issues, but to think of it as a good place to spread the Word of God because of how varied people are here in their beliefs.

As I've talked to her about america, shes less nervous about it and does look forward to going. Currently her nervousness focuses around if she can get used to the cold since I live more north towards canada. I told over time her blood will thicken so she will be relatively used to it.

After many people started to get me worried about the horror stories, I wondered. But at the same time I let it be in Gods hands. He blessed us and we get along wonderfully aside from small language barrier issues lol. After our last night on the honeymoon...well lets say it was an emotional and amazing bond. It really made her realize how blessed she is to find me (and vica versa).

She promised to always be a good submissive wife and love me forever. Now that we are apart for a few months (visa stuff) she misses me badly, as do I her. We will be fine though. The only thing later on we have to deal with is her mom (among many) wants to see us have kids and neither of us really want them for now. She isn't sure what people will think of us and our not wanting them.

I told her not to worry about it. We are both adults and married. Its our choice. After being their I can see they really push degrees among other things. She told me she was lazy a few days in, so her mother tells her. I asked her what lazy means. She says if she doesn't so dishes once shes called lazy. I laughed and told her thats called human. I said once here in America you will see what lazy really looks like. ^_^

She told a aunt privately that she wants nothing more then to cook for me, do dishes...etc because I am beyond special to her and even if shes working she wants to make me happy. I told her I seen what she told her aunt and it touched me deeply.

BUT... I also said I am not a man that uses submission as a weapon to have a slave. I told her since she will work (I am disabled) I can take care of the house. She appreciated how kind that was of me. She just got over TB so I told her she needs to learn to take breaks and relax her body. I don't wish to bury her because she worked her self to death like my dad is doing.

She understands that now and said I'll have to help her to take breaks. :) Sorry for the long post lol. I'm just in heaven with her. God is good. Just a few months until she gets approved and can come here. I can't wait. I miss her badly also.
 
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No problem! :)

We got married March 16th in the Philippines. She is submissive mostly, especially after a few days in and she realized I am who I say I am. Honest, gentle, loving, patient...etc.

Hey xfreakazoidx, congratulations on your marriage. I hope your little family is always happy and blessed. :)
 
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