When Will Christ Return?

[eclipsenow]

Not at all. Paul uses the future tense to describe the last days, as does Peter. The last days can refer to either the days since Christ's resurrection, or the literal last days. It's either or. And those sorts of people have been around forever - they're just more abundant in the last days. See my above post

No, not at all. They both instruct their followers to do certain things and avoid certain things based on the premise that their audiences were already IN the Last Days.

PS: Just saying they spoke in Future Tense does not make these verses go away, because they were highlighting how their generation (2000 years ago) had been warned their days would be like this. The Apostles were merely saying, "In the last days.... it will be like this... and you're seeing it here and now, friends!" So you just CANNOT divorce the command to people back then with the timetable that applied back then.

PPS: You've also completely refused to really deal with Acts 2, an unequivocal explanation that the Apostles had received the Holy Spirit because it was the Last Days starting!

Anyway, if anyone REALLY wants to know when the world is going to end, here's the answer.
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[Achilles6129]

I guess we'll just have to disagree, then.

 

[mthinker]

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2) The timing is simply not right at this moment. We need a one world government before anything in the book of Revelation can begin happening, and it is going to take some time to set up a one world government (many legal hurdles, etc.). As soon as the one world government is in place the antichrist will appear. I think this will begin in the mid-to-late 2020s.

Hi,
Just want to comment on the second point. I think the one world government will be set up really soon! Exactly when I can't tell, but mid-to-late 2020's is far too late. I think Daniel's 70th week will start very soon! I even did a calculation that I view as very significant regarding even this year (2012). I even think this time period (the seal will start to open) within this month or the next, and I will stand for what I say! Don't take my word for it though I might be wrong by a year or some months but I don't think so. The only thing I urge people to do is to turn to Christ if they haven't.

The time of the seals is approaching fast, and possibly in this month.

 

[eclipsenow]

I guess we'll just have to disagree, then.

Well, disagreeing is what you've been doing. Putting forth a logical argument based on actual data is what I've been doing. I note you still haven't addressed Acts 2? The Holy Spirit comes, the crowd demands an answer, and Peter says that it meant the Last Days had started. 2000 year ago.

Meanwhile, we've only got 6 days so why worry?

One of Nostradamus' quatrains is:

From the calm morning, the end will come, when of the dancing horse, the number of circles will be nine.
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Let's go through this step by step.
Calm morning = Korea. A notoriously calm part of the world. Which has mornings. Pretty much every day, in fact.
The end will come = December 21, the doomsday date predicted in an ancient Mayan calendar.
The dancing horse = Psy's galloping groove.
The number of circles will be nine = the number of zeroes in one billion, the number of hits Psy's Gangnam style will soon have.
If it wasn't already so hackneyed, you'd say: Mind. Blown.


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[ErminlindaRika]

I don't think He'll be returning any time soon. I think it'll be when the Earth is at it's breaking point. But we see some of the signs of His coming today.

 

[Tangible]

Could be before I finish writing this post, could be 5,000 years or more from now. No one but God knows.

 

[Achilles6129]

Well, disagreeing is what you've been doing. Putting forth a logical argument based on actual data is what I've been doing.

I've already made all the points I need to make. I don't need to argue with anyone. The bottom line is we'll simply have to disagree.

 

[JLB777]

Could be before I finish writing this post, could be 5,000 years or more from now. No one but God knows.

He gave us signs so that we would know, by the signs.

 

[Achilles6129]

He gave us signs so that we would know, by the signs.

Right, exactly. How could Christ return before the signs take place? It would be impossible. Christ cannot return before Mt. 24/Mk. 13/Lu. 21/Revelation have taken place.

 

[eclipsenow]

I've already made all the points I need to make. I don't need to argue with anyone. The bottom line is we'll simply have to disagree.

So how does Timothy obey Paul's command to keep away from certain people in the Last Day's if Timothy is not even in them? And where is your response to Peter explaining that the Holy Spirit arrived to usher in the Last Days?

 

[eclipsenow]

Right, exactly. How could Christ return before the signs take place? It would be impossible. Christ cannot return before Mt. 24/Mk. 13/Lu. 21/Revelation have taken place.

I've already shown dozens of times on this forum why Mt 24 and Mk 13 are fulfilled in Titus's sacking of Rome.

 

[Achilles6129]

I've already shown dozens of times on this forum why Mt 24 and Mk 13 are fulfilled in Titus's sacking of Rome.

I think we've discussed this issue on this thread as well. I simply disagree with this assessment. It seems to me that the prophecy is much better fulfilled by Christ's 2nd coming than by any sacking of Rome.

 

[eclipsenow]

I think we've discussed this issue on this thread as well. I simply disagree with this assessment. It seems to me that the prophecy is much better fulfilled by Christ's 2nd coming than by any sacking of Rome.

I simply disagree with this assessment. It seems to me that the prophecy is much better fulfilled by the sacking of Rome than by Christ's 2nd coming.

 

[Spiritlight]

I Think he would be putting it off as long as possible, his last vist wasn't much fun.

 

[Tangible]

He gave us signs so that we would know, by the signs.

He gave us signs to know THAT he is coming, not WHEN. Everything that was foretold has happened long ago. He himself said that no one except the Father knows when the hour will be.

Even so Lord Jesus, come quickly! Amen.

 

[mandyangel]

I don't know but I wanted to see what yall said about it. Interested in those of you that think its gonna be 2010-2020... why? and remember this is mandy here PLEASE speak slowly ha!!! thanks and hugs, mandy

 

[Achilles6129]

I don't know but I wanted to see what yall said about it. Interested in those of you that think its gonna be 2010-2020... why? and remember this is mandy here PLEASE speak slowly ha!!! thanks and hugs, mandy

Exactly. If it were to be 2010 - 2020 then things better start happening soon, because we still have Daniel's 70th week to go through.

 

[interpreter]

The second coming already occurred (on Oct. 28th, 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds) We are now expirencing the 7 last plagues which must run their course, and then the third coming occurs.

 

[emily_elizabeth]

I don't know when, but I do know I'll be prepared!

 

[eclipsenow]

Exactly. If it were to be 2010 - 2020 then things better start happening soon, because we still have Daniel's 70th week to go through.

I disagree. There is nothing in all of Scripture to indicate exactly what it will be like before the Lord returns. We have generic descriptions, not specific prescriptions. People will be selfish, will murder, will ignore the poor, will be rude to their parents, there will be natural disasters, etc. As there always has and always will be until the Lord returns.