medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[Jamin4422]

Do you really believe the shroud of turin is for real? Care to comment on this video?Ken

I have already studied everything I could find to study about the Shroud many years ago. It was very much of interest to me and I wish we knew more about it then we do. Even though we know a lot already. I am convinced in what I believe and all the skeptics and scoffers in the world will not change what I know to be true. Even if they do not want to accept the truth.

 

[Tiberius]

in other words, no, you can't make a comment about that video.

 

[TLK Valentine]

in other words, no, you can't make a comment about that video.

Funny how someone who has allegedly studied all there is on the shroud has nothing to say all of a sudden.

 

[someguy14]

Yet he created demons who, as you say, had no choice but to be evil...hmmm.

The ones called "demons" chose that on their own. That is part of the beauty of it. They chose to be evil by themselves, it isn't forced. God is blameless.

 

[46AND2]

The ones called "demons" chose that on their own. That is part of the beauty of it. They chose to be evil by themselves, it isn't forced. God is blameless.

So then God revealing himself does not hinder free will. You can't have it both ways. Either God's revelation does not kill free will, or angels don't have free will.

 

[someguy14]

In what way is this anything remotely close to proof?

All you've done is say that since you believe the Bible is correct when it describes some things it must therefore be correct when describing other things.

Wisdom is clear, pure and easily accepted.
Ones that truely believe are filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God(Gods Spirit), and is truth of all things. Imagine the potential. Imagine the perfection. Imagine the limitless understanding of all that is all. It is all contained in God, and God alone. Believe. Believe for truths sake, for humankinds sake, for the sake of perfection. Do not fear, for God is good. Do not doubt, for God has already overcome it. Trust in the truth, for God is all. God is all understanding itself. God is kind and gentle and merciful. He loves you.

Excuses excuses. I get this whenever the Bible fails to deliver.

The Bible always delivers. Ask away. Test away. The Holy Bible doesn't fail.

 

[Skarl]

The Bible always delivers. Ask away. Test away. The Holy Bible doesn't fail.

The bible didn't work when I was taking my neurobiology final a few years back. So sorry, but the Bible failed. And that's alright for me as a Christian, because unlike some, I don't worship the bible.

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[Elendur]

you didn't provide anything except your opinion, and no one wants to hear it.

Opinion? You do know that it's not my fault you're inexperienced enough to fail your burden of proof?

The first link gives a link to this link,

Scientists say Shroud of Turin authentic, of supernatural origin Which is Valid.

Which is an article (I explicitly asked you not to link them). If you would find the original source, that is, the actual study that is base for the articles, that would be great.

The 2nd link is from The president of The Resurrection of the Shroud Foundation, notice your biased in assuming that since he is the president of the foundation that he would be biased, please throw that presupposition out the window.

Now for further and better links see below,

1. I'm biased because I'm assuming that he's biased since he's the president of the foundation?
2. Where did I state that I assumed he's biased because of his position?
3. Whether he's biased or not, he still didn't provide with any evidence in that link.

Please don't lie because I'll post again,

Habermas - The Plight of the New Atheism: A Critique

Habermas - The Plight of the New Atheism: A Critique

The Shroud of Turin Wasn’t Faked, Italian Experts Say - ABC News

The Shroud of Turin Website - Main Menu

Is the Shroud of Turin a Painting?

http://www.shroud.com/pdfs/thibault-lg.pdf

Shroud of Turin Blog

That is enough Scientific Facts.

Not nearly enough. Notice how none of those links are scientific papers. One of them, second last, seem to be a comment of an experiment, close (on one link) but no cigar.

Oh yes you are, if you were an "agnostic" you wouldn't have presupposition, you're already leaning towards "atheism" with the biased so we have no reason to assume your an "agnostic", if you are then act like it and keep the presupposition down.

I'm leaning towards atheism? Why would you think that?
Also, you have a reason to think I'm an agnostic, see the little icon under my user name?

Could you look into the difference of the two terms "proof" and "evidence"? Hint: They're not synonyms.

Now you're either a liar or just didn't watch the video without presupposition/attentiveness, Gary didn't compare it to human characteristics . The Video is sort of a study, Gary shows teeth on the image that can only be reproduced by x ray like technology rendering it not to be a forgery dismissing your argument, so watch again,
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"Can only can be reproduced by x ray like technology"?
1. That's complete bull****. No one who's got the slightest clue when it comes to logic would write things like that.
2. They don't refer to any study, the video in itself isn't even close to being "sort of a study".
3. I've watched it four times now and I'll tell you right away, I'm not lying when I write this:
Concluding that that would be the shroud of christ, based on that, is a sign of having the conclusion before the evidence.

 

[Tiberius]

Wisdom is clear, pure and easily accepted.
Ones that truely believe are filled with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God(Gods Spirit), and is truth of all things. Imagine the potential. Imagine the perfection. Imagine the limitless understanding of all that is all. It is all contained in God, and God alone. Believe. Believe for truths sake, for humankinds sake, for the sake of perfection. Do not fear, for God is good. Do not doubt, for God has already overcome it. Trust in the truth, for God is all. God is all understanding itself. God is kind and gentle and merciful. He loves you.

I see nothing here that has anything to do with proof of anything.

I ask you to give me proof that prayer can move a mountain. You tell me that some old stories claim a bunch of other non-mountain-moving things, and this is proof. I tell you that this isn't proof. You claim that it is, you start grooving about how wonderful you think God is, and then claim it is more proof. And now this.

The Bible always delivers. Ask away. Test away. The Holy Bible doesn't fail.

The Bible has failed every single test I've seen. Such as the bit where it promise that if you have even a small amount of faith you can make a mountain move simply by praying to it. And I think there's a bit in there about how venomous snakes can't hurt you and you can drink poison and survive.

Mark 16:17-18: "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

So can I come to your house with some taipans and some cyanide? If I take you to a guy dying of cancer, can you put your hands on him and make him better? Are you willing to put the claims of the Bible to the test yourself? Or are you just going to make excuses about how this passage doesn't mean what it actually says?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The ones called "demons" chose that on their own. That is part of the beauty of it. They chose to be evil by themselves, it isn't forced. God is blameless.

On the contrary, he chose to put the forbidden fruit in Eden, he chose to create a Serpent (specifically designed to be cunning and tempting), he chose to make it so that, if Eve ate of that fruit, then all of humanity would be doomed to Hell.

Think about that. God - not man or woman - set the universe up. God - not any human - decided to make it so that all humans would be destined to a life of suffering and an afterlife of eternal suffering, if Eve ate a piece of fruit. He not only decided this, but he decided to create forbidden fruit in the first place, and to create a creature specifically designed to tempt the nascent individuals.

Sounds to me like a set up.

 

[Jamin4422]

in other words, no, you can't make a comment about that video.

Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.

 

[Tomk80]

Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.

Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is noted.

 

[Jamin4422]

Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is noted.

What? Your really not serious are you? Do you really take guys playing with dolls serious? Wow, things really have changed. The only time people take that sort of stuff serious is if there is some sort of abuse going on somewhere. This is the wrong board for that. So your inability to present a valid argument is noted. Thanks for helping me to make my case that you really do not have any sort of a valid argument against the shroud.

 

[Tomk80]

What? Your really not serious are you? Do you really take guys playing with dolls serious? Wow, things really have changed. The only time people take that sort of stuff serious is if there is some sort of abuse going on somewhere. This is the wrong board for that. So your inability to present a valid argument is noted. Thanks for helping me to make my case that you really do not have any sort of a valid argument against the shroud.

Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is once more noted.

Just because a point is demonstrated with a doll, does not make the point invalid.

 

[Jamin4422]

Your inability to counter the arguments made in the video is once more noted.

First you have to present an argument in order for me to counter it. Do you people really believe this stuff you are saying. Because if you do then you are more deceived than what I thought. That is NO surprise because the Bible is filled with talk about how deceived people are going to be in this final hour as we are near to the end of this age.

 

[Ken-1122]

Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.

The video is not about a guy playing with a doll, he uses the doll to demonstrate that not only is the Shroud a fake, but it is a poorly constructed fake. It is so fake that even an amateur can notice that the top of the head is missing, and that the hair shouldn’t be visible from the front.

When I am proven wrong I admit to my mistake and change my opinion on the issue. What do YOU do?

In my opinion you know the video makes an excellent point, you know everything you’re claiming about the shroud is wrong but instead of admitting to your mistake and changing your opinion on the issue, you dig in attempting to discredit the video by claiming it is just some guy playing with a doll.
You disappoint me bro; I thought you were better than that.

Peace
Ken

 

[Tomk80]

First you have to present an argument in order for me to counter it. Do you people really believe this stuff you are saying. Because if you do then you are more deceived than what I thought. That is NO surprise because the Bible is filled with talk about how deceived people are going to be in this final hour as we are near to the end of this age.

The argument in the video was simple enough. Even you should have understood it without me explaining it to you.

The figure on the shroud cannot be an imprint of a person. The top of the head is missing from the imprint. This fact alone sufficiently proves that the shroud is a fake.

 

[Ken-1122]

Do you people really believe this stuff you are saying. Because if you do then you are more deceived than what I thought. That is NO surprise because the Bible is filled with talk about how deceived people are going to be in this final hour as we are near to the end of this age.

I think it is YOU who is being decieved.

K

 

[Tiberius]

Comment on the video? The video is a joke: a guy playing with a doll. The shroud has been examined by real forensic scientists with over 2 tons of scientific equipment. But you want to look at a video of a guy playing with a doll. I did not think anyone here was wanting to have a serious conversation about this. Because like I said, this is about the resurrection. If you do not plan to be a part of the resurrection then you are planing to perish so none of this would pertain to you at all.

The video illustrates a point. Perhaps you can show that the video's point is incorrect then? If the shroud is aligned so that the imprint of the back of the head lays against the back of the head, can you show that the face on the shroud will align with the facial features of the person in the shroud? yes or no?

 

[RickG]

Thanks for helping me to make my case that you really do not have any sort of a valid argument against the shroud.

Are you aware that the Shroud first showed up right late 13th early 14th century, which is also in the range of radiocarbon dates found on it.

I really would like for the Shroud to be the "Real McCoy", but even if it dated to the time of Jesus, that still would not connect it Jesus necessarily. Nevertheless, I have no problem anyone's belief that it is authentic, so long as that belief is based on faith. I think trying to discredit science, etc. to reconcile one's opinion that it is authentic is, shall I say, sinful.