Why an eternal hell? (2)

[dollarsbill]

You mean it is vehemently disagreeing with you that consigns people to hell?

You misunderstood.

 

[dollarsbill]

Hell is reserved for the enemies of God. People who don't agree with God are his enemies. If you were the total boss and you wanted to put your enemies in a place that they could do you no harm, you could choose a hell-like place (hell is a holding area). It is the same with God. The difference is that God is eternal and his enemies are eternal beings. Their lockup would also have to be eternal to ensure they could perpetrate no evil at any time.

 

[Assyrian]

You misunderstood.

As long as you realise people can disagree with you and still be Christians.

 

[Person of]

Saying that since God is eternal that hell should be eternal makes no sense.

From a Biblical and spiritual standpoint, torture after death does not exist.

 

[dollarsbill]

As long as you realise people can disagree with you and still be Christians.

Never said otherwise. Why are insinuating this?

 

[dollarsbill]

Saying that since God is eternal that hell should be eternal makes no sense.

From a Biblical and spiritual standpoint, torture after death does not exist.

It does indeed. Forever and eternal are unmistakeable Biblical terms.

 

[Person of]

It does indeed. Forever and eternal are unmistakeable Biblical terms.

Destroy is an unmistakeable term, but I'm betting you tear that word up, eh?

 

[dollarsbill]

Destroy is an unmistakeable term, but I'm betting you tear that word up, eh?

"Eternal destruction", never ending.

 

[Person of]

"Eternal destruction", never ending.

"destroy body and soul in hell/gehenna"

Also, it's against God to torture people after death. Since you're a Christian, you should have a perspective on God's thoughts, or why in Judaism there is no concept of torture, or how the concept is a pagan concept.

Let's not forget the delusion of literalists.

Do you actually believe there will be a 7 headed dragon?

 

[dollarsbill]

"destroy body and soul in hell/gehenna"

He is indeed "able".

Also, it's against God to torture people after death.

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Since you're a Christian, you should have a perspective on God's thoughts, or why in Judaism there is no concept of torture, or how the concept is a pagan concept.

There was certainly a hint.

Daniel 12:2 (NASB)
2 "Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

Let's not forget the delusion of literalists.

Believing God is delusion?

Do you actually believe there will be a 7 headed dragon?

I don't know one way or the other. Do you?

 

[Assyrian]

Never said otherwise. Why are insinuating this?

Because you seem to keep telling people who disagree with you about eternal fire that people who deny eternal fire will end up there. You can see why I might think you were insinuating that they were going to hell, which is why I am glad you are denying it.

 

[Person of]

How is it possible to be tormented day and night in a place with no sun, moon and no time?

Everlasting contempt is not hell.

Believing in God is not delusion, but if you claim to take the Bible literally then you can't waver on that. You actually have to believe that Noah's ark carried millions of animals too.

 

[dollarsbill]

Because you seem to keep telling people who disagree with you about eternal fire that people who deny eternal fire will end up there.

Belief in Hell is not required for salvation.

You can see why I might think you were insinuating that they were going to hell, which is why I am glad you are denying it.

The eternal Hell fire is a very clear Biblical doctrine. Why not believe it?

 

[dollarsbill]

How is it possible to be tormented day and night in a place with no sun, moon and no time?

To be more precise:

Revelation 20:10 (NASB)
10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Everlasting contempt is not hell.

Your proof?

Believing in God is not delusion, but if you claim to take the Bible literally then you can't waver on that. You actually have to believe that Noah's ark carried millions of animals too.

I do take God literally, unless there is VERY good reason not to.

You actually have to believe that Noah's ark carried millions of animals too.

Matthew 24:38-39 (NASB)
38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away;

 

[Assyrian]

Belief in Hell is not required for salvation.

Like I said, I’m glad you realise that.

The eternal Hell fire is a very clear Biblical doctrine. Why not believe it?

The issue being discussed is whether it is a biblical doctrine or not. Does the doctrine require being a literalist like you are? Because literalism isn't a biblical doctrine.

 

[dollarsbill]

Because literalism isn't a biblical doctrine.

Believing the Bible isn't a Biblical doctrine?

 

[Assyrian]

Believing the Bible isn't a Biblical doctrine?

Taking everything in the bible literally isn't. Do believe Jesus when he said he was a grapevine? What about when he said he was the Good Shepherd? Does believing him believing him mean taking everything he said literally?

 

[dollarsbill]

Taking everything in the bible literally isn't. Do believe Jesus when he said he was a grapevine? What about when he said he was the Good Shepherd? Does believing him believing him mean taking everything he said literally?

Already explained. The Bible is literal unless clearly otherwise.

 

[Assyrian]

Already explained. The Bible is literal unless clearly otherwise.

Says who? Where do you find that doctrine in the bible?

 

[dollarsbill]

Says who? Where do you find that doctrine in the bible?

It's in the Bible. Read it and believe it.