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A comment in general. There need to be a separate entire futurists only end times forum for those who hold the futurist view to discuss end times without the historists, partial preterists, amils, views allowed.

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Hi everyone, I'm Ani. Can I join in the discussion?

Hi Ani,
Maybe this verse might get things going for you.

Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.


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Does anyone have a link for a timeline of endtimes events? I.e. unfulfilled prophecy and things that must come to pass before the Lords return?

Use Revelation as a timeline. Chapters 1-3 are the church age. We are currently in chapter 3 towards the end of Laodicea. Chapter 4:1 the church is raptured. Chapters 4-5 Christ Jesus shows that He alone is worthy to receive "glory and honour and power", also Jesus demonstrates His victory over sin and death to loose the seven sealed scroll! He then is worshipped by an innumerable heavenly host which proclaims..."Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." Chapter 6 introduces the man of sin under the guise of peace as he rides a white horse and much carnage follows him. Chapters 6-18 documents the events of Daniels 70th week, Jacobs trouble, or the tribulation as is commonly known.

Hope this helps. Also study the feasts of Israel as they are prophetic in nature. The 3 spring feasts were fulfilled in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Pentacost was the birth of the church. These were associated with Christs first coming and ascension. Three fall feasts remain anticipating His return!
 
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Beginning of the Spring Feasts or the FORMER rain.

1. FEAST OF PESACH (Passover) Ex 12:14: On Abib 14, which originally was the day the Angel of Death passed over the Israelites in Egypt.

2. FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD (Seven days) Ex 12:17; 34:23; Lev 23:15-17; Num 28:26: a. Originally observed as the week for removing the leaven (sin) from the house, and the eating each day, of unleavened bread, in remembrance of the hasty deliverance of the Israelites from Egypt’s boondage. (Deliverance from the devil’s bondage to sin). The True God Sets FREE from Bondage and every false god is a control freak. Through Messiah, our Passover, THE Lamb of God, we may be set free from the bondage of sin, and set free from serving Satan by design or ignorance.

3. THE DAY OF EARLY FIRSTFRUITS – RESURRECTION – Messiah Yeshua is the First Fruit proving the Resurrection of the dead and promise of eternal life. (Yom Habikkurim or Sfirat Haomer): Lev 23:5-12,21: First day after weekly Sabbath meaning "the promise to come." a. Originally, this was the time to reap the harvest, and to wave a sheaf of the firstfruits of barley before The LORD, at the temple, by the priest, expressing thankfulness for the land. b. The same day deliverance for the Hebrews out of Egypt began. c. This was the day AFTER Yeshua resurrected, that Mary met Him in the garden, just before He ascended to His Father to make atonement, (Heb 9:11-12).

4. FEAST OF SHAVOUT OR WEEKS (Pentecost, means 50): The counting of the Omer, seven (7) weeks or fifty (50) days from the day of Firstfruits, this is also called the Later Firstfruits. Also referred to as the Day of Assembly in Deut 18:16. a. Originally the day the law was given to the Israelites at Mt. Sinai, 50 days after they left Egypt; Three thousand slain. b. The priest waved two loaves of leavened bread (wheat), made from the new flour, before The LORD c. The day the Holy Spirit was given to the apostles, 50 days AFTER Passover First Fruits, that is 50 days after the Resurrection of Yeshua; Three thousand received salvation on that First Pentecost after Yeshua's resurrection and ascension.

Beginning of Fall Feasts, or the LATER rain, or double outpouring rain (Hosea 6:1-3; Joel 2:23; Zech.12:10). The Fall Feasts, or high holy days, is a picture of the Messiah as the conquering, reining King, as He is fulfilling His role on the earth. The book of revelation depicts the fulfillment of the Fall Feasts of The LORD.

THE DAYS OF TESHUVAH (Return or Repentance): On Elul 1(August or September - 6 months after Passover, which is the first month of Abib). This starts 30 days before the Feast of Trumpets. Feast of Trumpets is Tshri 1 (7th Month - September or October - in the 7th month. Remember Passover is in Abib, or Nissan, the first month) The days of Teshuvah, or days of Repentance, ends Tshri 10 - on Yom Kippur - Day of Atonement, (total of 40 days). The 40 days of Teshuvah, is a time of returning and repenting before The LORD. During those 40 days, and especially the last 10, and most particularly the LAST day of Yom Kippur, we prepare our heart by seeking forgiveness, through repentance. The last 10 days - the 10 days starting wth the Feast of Trumpets and ending with the Day of Atonement, or Yom Kippur, are known as the Days of Awe.

4. DAY OR FEAST OF TRUMPETS (Rosh HaShanah or Yom Teruach) Num 29:1; Lev 23:23-25: On Tishri 1. Rosh HaShanah means "head of the year." According to Jewish tradition, on this day the gates of heaven are opened, (Rev 3:7-11). Tradition has it as the anniversary of the creation of the world and the beginning of the Kingdom of HaShem (God), Adam and Eve were created, the flood waters dried up, Enoch was taken by the LORD; Sarah, Rachel, and Samuel were conceived, Joseph was freed from prison by Pharaoh, forced labor of Hebrews in Egypt ended, Job contracted leprosy, the start of sacrifices on the altar built by Ezra. According to Jewish tradition all of those events happened on Tishri 1. The Feast of Trumpets is celebrated by blowing trumpets (shofar) 100 times to announce the setting up of The LORD's eternal court.

The sounding of the shofar reminds us of the binding of Isaac by his father Abraham, and we too must be willing to make such sacrifices. On this day we reaffirm our acceptance of The LORD as our King, and He judges all of His human creatures on this day and decides on their fate in the coming year. It is the first month of the new civil year. These 10 days are called the Days of Awe or High Holy Days. This was also the time to bring all of your tithe (10th) for the poor, widows, orphans, and the Levite priest who have no inheritance. Over these 10 days the wheat will be brought in on the threshing floor and separated from the chaff. This 2-day feast comes AT A DAY AND HOUR NO MAN KNOWS and you are not required to go up to the temple on this day. a. This is the day set up to remember the blowing of trumpets when the great sign appeared in the heavens of the announcement of Yeshua’s birth (Lion of Judah), which the Chaldean astronomers had been watching, and waiting for, for over four hundred years, (Rev.12:1-2). b. Will be the announcement of Yeshua’s second coming and the Resurrection of the Saints, (IThess 4:16,17). c. Will be the end of Jacob’s trouble, (Jer 30:7). d. Will be the end of first Gog Magog War at the start of the millennial reign of King Yeshua.

6. DAY OF ATONEMENT (Yom Kippur) Lev 16:29; 23:26-32: On Tishri 10. Will end the 70th week of Daniel 9, and the culmination of the prophecy of Daniel. It is the final day of the 10 Days of Awe. This is the most solemn and holy day in the Jewish year and is spent Fasting, Praying, and Confession of Sins. Yom Kippur is the only REQURED FAST day of the year, in the Holy Bible. Yom Kippur is the day the chaff was burned up on the threshing floor on the temple mount, and this is the day the gates of heaven are closed, (Rev 3:7-11), and those who are not atoned for, will be judged. According to ancient Jewish tradition, this is the day when the sealing angel of Ezekiel 9, Rev 7:2-3, and Rev 9:4, is sent forth to seal the people of God. a. Originally this was the only day of the year, that the high priest could enter the veil, into the Holy of Holies, to make atonement for the sins of the nation, by sacrificing an animal and placing 7 drops of blood on the east end of the top of the ark of the covenant, or mercy seat. b. This was the day the transfiguration took place with Moses and Elijah, representing the Torah and the Prophets, and the day Yeshua’s ministry was confirmed after the order of Melchizedek. c. This also may be the day of the abomination and desolation, when the ANTICHRIST will STOP the OBLATION Altar.
7. FEAST OF SUKKOT (Tabernacles, or Booths) Lev 23:33-43; Ex 23:16; 34:22, John 7:2: On Tishri 15. This was the first day the glory of The LORD showed Himself in the tent of meeting. The Hebrew word Sukkot means hut, or booth, or tent. a. Originally commanded by The LORD for the Israelites to observe, for seven (7) days, in remembrance of The LORD and their Hebrew ancestors living in tents in the wilderness. Over these seven days a total of 70 bulls were sacrificed, representing a bull for every nation. b. Birth of Yeshua, yes, the birth of Jesus, is NOT the pagan Tamuz, or X-mass celebration. Yeshua was born on the Feast of Tabernacles. Tabernacles is the, true birthday of Jesus, Sept 23rd, Feast of Sukkot. And the Word was made flesh, and tabernacled among us, when God took on Himself a tabernacle of flesh, Emmanuel, God with us, The Word became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). c. All the nations will one day celebrate this feast, (Zec 14:16) d. Will be the Marriage Supper (Feast) with the Lamb, (Rev 19:7,8).

The LAST GREAT DAY: (Seven Days after Sukkot) On Tishri 22. As a special part of the celebration once a year, the priest on this day, would go down to Gahanna and draw water from the well of salvation, (well of Yeshua) mixed with a little wine, and pour it over the alter, to remind the people of the coming Messiah, that would pour out the Holy Spirit (Isa 12:1-3). The water and wine mixed looked like blood. a. Yeshua was circumcised on that day. b. Yeshua claimed to be the living water to the priest in the temple as they poured out the water on the alter, (John 4:14; 7:37-38). c. Will be the day of the pouring out of the Lord's Spirit on all flesh, later rain. d. Will be the Last Great Battle of Armageddon, and the return of Yeshua, (2nd coming) and the beginning of His millennium rein! e. Will be the day of the resurrection of the wicked dead AFTER the millennium for the judgment.

I copied the above. I don't agree dogmatically with every detail, however its a good expose of the prophetic relevance of Israels feasts.
 
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Does anyone have a link for a timeline of endtimes events? I.e. unfulfilled prophecy and things that must come to pass before the Lords return?

Some have suggested that we can build a timeline of end time events from the Revelation. Others try to build one from reference to the typical nature of the Old Testament feasts. These are interesting, but mostly futile.

But there are numerous scriptures that explicitly state various events that will take place. And the only way to make a reliable timeline is to use these explicitly stated events.

But in speaking of things that must come to pass before the Lord's return, you need to be aware that there is absolutely nothing that needs to take place before our Lord returns to take us home.

After He takes us home, then the symbolic events of the Revelation begin to take place. But these are not the development of Daniel's seventieth week, but only the preparation for it. The seventieth week begins when the seven year covenant is confirmed, and not before. But for this covenant to be confirmed, the end time ruler of the Roman Empire must first appear. And for him to appear, the nations that are there must first disappear. That, I am persuaded, is the meaning of the mass destruction presented in the seals, trumpets, and bowls. From the chaos, ten kings will rise up, and then an eleventh will overwhelm three of them. After that, all the ten will willingly submit to him, thus reviving the Roman Empire. It is only after all this has happened that Daniel's seventieth week can begin.

The Revelation is not a rehash of Daniel, but a revealing of how the events of Daniel can still take place, even though all the nations involved seem to have disappeared.

After the beast makes the seven year treaty, he will rule for 42 months, but in the middle of the week, He will ascent the throne os God in the temple of God in Jerusalem. This is the signal for all the righteous to run for their lives, for the judgment ogf God is about to fall.

This judgment comes in the form of a lightning attack by two armies, "the king of the south" and one "the king of the north," who is also called "the Assyrian" in Isaiah 7, 10, 14, 30, and 31, and in Micah 5 and all of Nahum. Isaiah 10:28-32 even gives the daily progress of his advance on Jerusalem. We know that "the king of the north" and "the Assyrian" are two different symbols for the same future individual by comparing the maps of the emoires of "the king of the north" and "the Assyrian." Aside fron a few sparsely settled areas around the edges, these tow ancient empires covered the same area at two different times in history.

Here is such a map:

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After these two kings overrub Egypt, the Assyrian/king of the north will invade Egypt Ethiopia, and Lybia, and then return to Israel, where he will lay siege to Jerusalem. That siege will last until the Lord comes. After the Lord comes, the scriptures explicitly describe five battles or campaigns, the middle one of which is Armaggedon.

After Armageddon, all Israel will be brought home. But the Lord will meet them at the border and purge out all the rebels from among them. Then all the remaining Israelites will repent and be converted. This will make it possible for the Lord to righteously keep his ancient promise to Abraham to bless them in their land.

The Lord will then set up a kingdom out of Jerusalem, in which Satan will be bound for a thousand years. After the thousand years, Satan will be released and mankind will make one final rebellion. Fire will fall from heaven and burn up the rebels, then the earth will be remade,, along with heaven. And then God will be all in all.

For brevity, I have left out the proof that all this is explicitly stated in scripture, but the following threads present the proof of all this.

Mutually exclusive prophecies about the Lord’s future coming
http://www.christianforums.com/t7636041-18/

A different view of the seals http://www.christianforums.com/t7338782-4/

The End Time King of Judah http://www.christianforums.com/t7585242-5/

The Assyrian http://www.christianforums.com/t1820351-10/

What happens when Messiah comes http://www.christianforums.com/t7324109-5/

Scripture prophesies a future temporary earthly kingdom http://www.christianforums.com/t7548942-6/
 
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Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. :thumbsup:

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together in unity!

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,

with the voice of the archangel

and with the trumpet of God,

and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Th 4:16-17
 
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Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. :thumbsup:

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together in unity!

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout,

with the voice of the archangel

and with the trumpet of God,

and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,

and so we shall always be with the Lord.

Therefore comfort one another with these words.


1Th 4:16-17

Amen!! Praise the Lord!!
 
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What would you like to talk about first?
I've made a change. I did have comments on the timing of when the rapture will occur from 2 thess 2:1-7. But removed it when I thought that perhaps you prefer to discuss about something else or in another way.
 
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I am Pre-Tribulation and I would like to discuss this belief with other believers. Would that be possible?


This comment made rethink my post
It doesnt state I believe in pretrib-preservation of seed.
Which I do.
For Christians. Virgins to lies and corruption, to false religion, in fact perhaps virgins in every application of the word.

My post perhaps didnt accurately state this.
As no seed would be saved without the rapture.

I am moreso asking questions than stating fact
or quoting others.
To have eternal life seed must be preserved.
 
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