medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[46AND2]

Did someone say that?

Yes.

Actually that's false. Massive deaths in the Himalayas last year; everywhere else as well. So all your precious science ain't really worth doodly squat, while the Bible tells us all about dynamite, and you still don't even know where

I think you should stick to what you know



Correction: it doesn't work for you. Somehow you always forget to include that part. also the part where you actually know what is under discussion.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Thank you very much for proving my point first time to bat. NOW would you like to make more empty claims or would YOU like to present some evidence to back up what your saying?

Um, asking you to support your assertion is hardly making an empty claim

 

[46AND2]

A creation date for WHAT? I said Adam was born on 4004BC. Bishop Ussher did the math on that and it is has universal acceptance. This is NOT the board for unconventional theology. I AM NOT going to waste my time on a point that has universal acceptance. I would suggest you go there if you want to discuss revisionism or any other unconventional theology.

Did I say YOU made the claim?

Oh, and it doesn't have universal acceptance. That's ridiculous.

 

[Tomk80]

A creation date for WHAT? I said Adam was born on 4004BC. Bishop Ussher did the math on that and it is has universal acceptance. This is NOT the board for unconventional theology. I AM NOT going to waste my time on a point that has universal acceptance. I would suggest you go there if you want to discuss revisionism or any other unconventional theology.

Everything. The heavens and the earth. Everything. Created 23 October 4004 BC, according to bishop Usher in his own book. Ussher is not referring to the creation of Adam and Even, which came later. If you are going to make up bogus claims, at least get those bogus claims right.

In the beginning, God created heaven and earth, which beginning of time, according to this chronology, occurred at the beginning of the night which preceded the 23rd of October in the year 710 of the Julian period.

In the right margin of the page, Ussher computes the date in “Christian” time as 4004 B.C. (source)

 

[razeontherock]

That was not my question, you are avoiding it again. The question was: is there anybody in the world with enough faith to move a mountain? You still did not give me a yes or no answer.

Your question should be - "what in the world was Jesus talking about, this is a very hard saying?" Or something to that effect.

Enter the Greek word dynamis (sp?) from which we get dynamite, and get a better glimpse into what God has in mind.

 

[razeontherock]

What's priceless is that you can't show me how I'm wrong about anything I have said concerning belief. You just make these wild claims that I just can't understand your higher meaning...despite the fact that I was part of your secret club for the first 30 years of my life.

Another PFC (professing former Christian) I have a thread on that, somewhere in CWR, I think. Your input there might prove interesting

 

[CabVet]

Your question should be - "what in the world was Jesus talking about, this is a very hard saying?" Or something to that effect.

I know exactly what he was talking about, he was saying there is not one person in this planet with that much faith.

Enter the Greek word dynamis (sp?) from which we get dynamite, and get a better glimpse into what God has in mind.

Yeah, and that would be: "not dynamite".

 

[razeontherock]

I was RC, but have exchanged faith for reason.

Ignoring temptation, left wide-open for RC jokes a-plenty

Free at Last- Martin Luther King, Jr - YouTube

May your new-found vantage point grant you greater access to Light

Dunamis=/=dynamite. You understand that, right?

Of course! Thank you for being the one sensible person here, able to see that

 

[razeontherock]

Is this the extent of your argument? The fact that the greek word kinda sounds like a modern English word?

That's pretty weak.

No. You appear to have missed the point. Most likely by deliberately being obtuse

 

[razeontherock]

From you: "Sorry, where we only read "power" in English, God is talking about dynamite."

You said the Bible referred to dynamite. Dynamite is an explosive device made from a cylinder of absorbent material (sawdust, etc) soaked in nitroglycerin.

If, as you claim, the Bible refers to dynamite, where's your evidence?

Le sigh

How many times have we been over this? Is the Bible a Spiritual book, or does it pertain solely to the physical?

 

[razeontherock]

I'll give you a perfect example. When people claimed that you could just add up the dates in the Biblical genealogy to get to a 4004BC creation date.

When it was shown that you could not do this, because there were ages which were not included in some of the genealogy, they changed their stance and said something along the lines of "well, OF COURSE you have to take in some secular history accounts into consideration."

That is not a change of stance. That is simply pointing out the obvious. Nor have you yet demonstrated comprehension of what was said.

 

[razeontherock]

And that in no way means that the Bible predicted the discovery or use of dynamite.

Nor did anyone say it did; however, it does tie into a sub-topic you yourself raised! (I still don't know how the convo turned to that, from the thread title)

 

[46AND2]

Another PFC (professing former Christian) I have a thread on that, somewhere in CWR, I think. Your input there might prove interesting

I'm sorry, but I don't see what the point would be.

I am going to assume (and apologize if my assumption is incorrect) that you believe that a person who no longer believes, never really believed in the first place. That God would not allow this to happen.

If that is the case, then you can manufacture a reason for ANY person who no longer believes as never having believed in the first place. As such, you could argue that people like Bart Ehrman never believed. My argument would certainly be no stronger than his.

 

[razeontherock]

If you are going to make up bogus claims, at least get those bogus claims right.

I'm sorry, where is Mr Pedantic, and what have you done with him?

 

[razeontherock]

I know exactly what he was talking about, he was saying there is not one person in this planet with that much faith.

So this is the interpretation of a PFC? Thank you very much for the valuable insight of what not to believe under penalty of apostacy

ETA: Duh me, you're not 46&2. Or are you a PFC as well? Forgive me, I forget

Yeah, and that would be: "not dynamite".

So, you never understood the connection between the two, and you were unable to endure being in the world but not of it. Hmmm ... surely there's a lesson in here, somewhere?

 

[46AND2]

That is not a change of stance. That is simply pointing out the obvious. Nor have you yet demonstrated comprehension of what was said.

Of course it is a change in stance. AV originally said that you just needed to take out a calculator, and do it yourself. He said nothing of having to compare different histories, interpret astronomical data, or compare manuscripts, as Ussher had to do to come up with his dates. He didn't even say that you had to use Ussher's work as a guide. He said you could add up the dates yourself. Period.

If he says to just take out a calculator and add it up yourself, as he said he did, why is it obvious that the claim should include other data? The standard reading of the claim does not imply any further sources necessary.

Furthermore, it is not unreasonable to think that AV actually thought he could add up dates from the Bible to get the answer. I know many Christians who believe that is exactly how Ussher did it.

Say what you mean, don't rely on others to make assumptions.

 

[Tomk80]

I'm sorry, where is Mr Pedantic, and what have you done with him?

I am mister pedantic.

 

[Tomk80]

Of course it is a change in stance. AV originally said that you just needed to take out a calculator, and do it yourself. He said nothing of having to compare different histories, interpret astronomical data, or compare manuscripts, as Ussher had to do to come up with his dates. He didn't even say that you had to use Ussher's work as a guide. He said you could add up the dates yourself. Period.

If he says to just take out a calculator and add it up yourself, as he said he did, why is it obvious that the claim should include other data? The standard reading of the claim does not imply any further sources necessary.

Furthermore, it is not unreasonable to think that AV actually thought he could add up dates from the Bible to get the answer. I know many Christians who believe that is exactly how Ussher did it.

Say what you mean, don't rely on others to make assumptions.

Or in other words, AV was making stuff up and got called out on it. Again.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Or in other words, AV was making stuff up and got called out on it. Again.

Say it ain't so

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I'm sorry, where is Mr Pedantic, and what have you done with him?

I am mister pedantic.

I'm flattered.