medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[someguy14]

My views on this haven't changed. It's always been my contention that people who give Bibles instead of medicine, who peddle fallacious faith healing and convince sick people to give up their meds, are soul-sucking liars.

Sounds like a God hating, "Family Guy" episode, that lies against true believers in God. Mocks God.

The truth is, with God, all things are pure. Yet with the ones that hate goodness, God is bad. One may glory in things one has or discovers, yet without understanding that all things come from God, that one is worthless and a problem of problems that all can do without.

 

[someguy14]

Every pound (or dollar) spent on a Bible is one not spent on welfare, clean water, and medicine.

The things God freely gives us mankind puts a price on and ownership on...such an enemy of goodness itself.

 

[someguy14]

Wrong. It is science. Has been for 150 years now. Time to catch up.

All has been long before greedy mankind tryed to label it.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Truth is truth regardless if one doubting agrees with it or doesn't.

Indeed, but that doesn't tell us what the truth is. Is the Earth 6000 or 4.5 billion years old? What evidence do you have?

All is created by God. So all else is delusion. Proof that those that reject God, fail common sense.

"All is created by God" is ambiguous, and isn't even a Biblical statement (the Bible only claims that God made all that is made; he didn't make anything that wasn't itself a made thing).

YEC is your own personal belief, and not a central tenant of Christianity. Don't confuse the two.

God heals. Gods word says so.

So it does, and healing should be the easiest thing in the world to prove - so why can't anyone?

Glad this is a Christian forum and not some "hate all who enter" forum.

You think the two are mutually exclusive?

Sounds like a God hating, "Family Guy" episode, that lies against true believers in God. Mocks God.

This has nothing to do with God, and everything to do with humans who trick the poor and the needy out of their money - and lives.

The truth is, with God, all things are pure. Yet with the ones that hate goodness, God is bad. One may glory in things one has or discovers, yet without understanding that all things come from God, that one is worthless and a problem of problems that all can do without.

If your religion makes you believe that about yourself, I feel very sorry for you indeed. What kind of God forces you to believe that you're worthless? What kind of God demands you apologise for being born human? What kind of God makes you suffer for all eternity, for something you yourself didn't do?

The things God freely gives us mankind puts a price on and ownership on...such an enemy of goodness itself.

Then we are agreed: missionaries and others who withhold medicine from others, and instead foists useless Bibles on them, are enemies of goodness.

 

[Jamin4422]

Indeed, but that doesn't tell us what the truth is. Is the Earth 6000 or 4.5 billion years old? What evidence do you have?

The age or era we live in began 6,000 years ago. Oh, it looks like the age began 12982 years ago at the Holocene extinction and the beginning of what they call the Neolithic Revolution. But something special happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden in Eden. This was really the beginning of written language and recorded history. There in the Mesopotania Valley. Yes, it is true that Phonics came later. This was just a picture language. Still this was the beginning of written history. So there is just no way you can disregard the 4004bc date and the location and that moment in time.

Skeptics and scoffers do not even have a wooden leg to stand on. Because it all began with Adam and Eve. Real or not, true or not. This is the very first story ever told and recorded for us all to read. Many,
many, many stories follow, but this was the beginning and the first. It is a story about paradise lost. All of the Bible is a story about man finding his way back to paradise. It is a wonderful story and the best story ever told.

 

[Skarl]

The age or era we live in began 6,000 years ago. Oh, it looks like the age began 12982 years ago at the Holocene extinction and the beginning of what they call the Neolithic Revolution. But something special happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden in Eden. This was really the beginning of written language and recorded history. There in the Mesopotania Valley. Yes, it is true that Phonics came later. This was just a picture language. Still this was the beginning of written history. So there is just no way you can disregard the 4004bc date and the location and that moment in time.

Skeptics and scoffers do not even have a wooden leg to stand on. Because it all began with Adam and Eve. Real or not, true or not. This is the very first story ever told and recorded for us all to read. Many,
many, many stories follow, but this was the beginning and the first. It is a story about paradise lost. All of the Bible is a story about man finding his way back to paradise. It is a wonderful story and the best story ever told.

That's nice. I like lord of the rings, the Iliad, Aeneid and odyssey as well. What do our favorite stories have to do with science?

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[Loudmouth]

The age or era we live in began 6,000 years ago. Oh, it looks like the age began 12982 years ago at the Holocene extinction and the beginning of what they call the Neolithic Revolution. But something special happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden in Eden. This was really the beginning of written language and recorded history. There in the Mesopotania Valley. Yes, it is true that Phonics came later. This was just a picture language. Still this was the beginning of written history. So there is just no way you can disregard the 4004bc date and the location and that moment in time.

Skeptics and scoffers do not even have a wooden leg to stand on. Because it all began with Adam and Eve. Real or not, true or not. This is the very first story ever told and recorded for us all to read. Many,
many, many stories follow, but this was the beginning and the first. It is a story about paradise lost. All of the Bible is a story about man finding his way back to paradise. It is a wonderful story and the best story ever told.

Once again, you have a long list of empty assertions that you pretend are backed by evidence. It isn't working.

 

[Jamin4422]

Once again, you have a long list of empty assertions that you pretend are backed by evidence. It isn't working.

Once again you accuse others of the exact same very thing that YOU are guilty of. God will bless those who bless and destroy those who destroy. There are those who build and there are those who tear down.

14:6 A scorner seeketh wisdom, and findeth it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth.

Rev 11 “We give You thanks, O Lord God, the Almighty, who are and who were, because You have taken Your great power and have begun to reign. 18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to [a]reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

 

[Jamin4422]

That's nice. I like lord of the rings, the Iliad, Aeneid and odyssey as well.

Iliad and Odyssey were required reading in High School. At least the one I went to.

 

[sfs]

The age or era we live in began 6,000 years ago. Oh, it looks like the age began 12982 years ago at the Holocene extinction and the beginning of what they call the Neolithic Revolution. But something special happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden in Eden. This was really the beginning of written language and recorded history. There in the Mesopotania Valley. Yes, it is true that Phonics came later. This was just a picture language. Still this was the beginning of written history. So there is just no way you can disregard the 4004bc date and the location and that moment in time.

There's no way we can disregard the 4004 BC date, even though its not the date of the beginning of the Neolithic Revolution (~10,000 BC), or the date of the earliest pictographs (6600 BC, at least), or of written language (~3300 BC). And we can't disregard the location, even though no meaningful location is given in the Bible for the Garden of Eden, and all of the events in question took place at multiple sites around the world.

Right.

Skeptics and scoffers do not even have a wooden leg to stand on. Because it all began with Adam and Eve. Real or not, true or not.

So it all began with Adam and Eve, unless it didn't.

This is the very first story ever told and recorded for us all to read.

Except for all the stories that were recorded long before it, that is.

 

[Loudmouth]

Once again you accuse others of the exact same very thing that YOU are guilty of.

Where am I guilty of it?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The age or era we live in began 6,000 years ago. Oh, it looks like the age began 12982 years ago at the Holocene extinction and the beginning of what they call the Neolithic Revolution.

Really? Those things happened exactly 12,982 years ago?

But something special happened with Adam and Eve in the Garden in Eden. This was really the beginning of written language and recorded history. There in the Mesopotania Valley. Yes, it is true that Phonics came later. This was just a picture language. Still this was the beginning of written history. So there is just no way you can disregard the 4004bc date and the location and that moment in time.

Err, yes, you can. The 4004 BC date is not a special date, and there's no evidence that anything special happened on that precise date. Unless, of course, your religion demands it.

Skeptics and scoffers do not even have a wooden leg to stand on.

We don't need to: the claimant, not the sceptic, has the onus of proof.

Because it all began with Adam and Eve. Real or not, true or not. This is the very first story ever told and recorded for us all to read. Many, many, many stories follow, but this was the beginning and the first.

No it didn't, and no it's not. Human mythology predates Genesis, which is itself derived from other sources (Noah's Flood is a corruption of the epic of Gilgamesh, for instance).

It is a story about paradise lost. All of the Bible is a story about man finding his way back to paradise. It is a wonderful story and the best story ever told.

In your own, personal opinion.

 

[Jamin4422]

Where am I guilty of it?

In that last post you wrote, where your guilty of what you accuse me of. Projection is a very simple and easy to understand concept. It really should be no problem for you. Frauds Daughter Anne was the one that mostly takes credit for it although she just polished up what her dad started.

 

[Jamin4422]

Really? Those things happened exactly 12,982 years ago?

Yes that is based on the April 13, 2029 date that I get from Nasa that I am using for the end of the 13,000 years. That will be the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. If you believe it is literal or symbolic. That means between 2029 and 2036 war will come to an end and we will have 1000 years of peace and prosperity. For those who are still alive to see it.

Err, yes, you can. The 4004 BC date is not a special date,

4004BC would be the Birth of Adam just like 4BC was the Birth of the Christ. So you add 33 years and that is when Adam fell into sin with Eve and also that is when Jesus died on the cross for Adams sin. We do not know for sure that Adam fell at the age of 33. But we do know for sure that was how old Jesus was when He died.

Also don't forget the nanodiamond astroid. The date for that is 12,900.

(Noah's Flood is a corruption of the epic of Gilgamesh, for instance)

Whatever historic Noah's flood was. The implication is a world wide flood. That is what shadows and types are all about. But most people do not understand that sort of stuff. They do not understand the connection between the literal flood and what that flood represents.

Everything Moses wrote about has a symbolic representation. Every tiny little detail in the temple means something. I have known pastors that were very good at explaining that stuff and what it all means. Like when Jesus died and their was a earthquake and the veil was torn. That all has a meaning about how the sin came between man and God. Now that sin has been atoned for and the veil has been removed.

People do not understand the flood. They do not understand the atonement. There is just a lot they do not understand.

In your own, personal opinion.

Trying to find my way back to paradise is what keeps me going. Otherwise if it were not for the hope of returning to paradise I would not even want to live.

 

[Tiberius]

The fact that one put's their trust into believeing a "jerk" could believe in the Holy Bible is proof that, that one, is without understanding.

So jerks are incapable of believing in the Bible now?

One's lack of understanding isn't proof that it isn't happening. The ones that refuse to believe in God, choose to refuse to understand it, 100% of the time. Understanding is only for the ones that believe in God. Hearing and seeing is for all. Understanding and perceiving is only for those that believe in God.

And ladies and gentlemen, we have our evasion.

The simple fact is that the Bible very clearly states that a mountain can be moved from one place to the other through the power of prayer, provided that the person who is praying has even just a small amount of faith.

Is it not a literal mountain? Are there exceptions to this rule?

God has already defeated that attack. One is welcome to fail again with that excuse of doubt.

I'm sorry, where did God defeat that? Link to a post if he did it in this thread, or a book, chapter, verse reference.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Yes that is based on the April 13, 2029 date that I get from Nasa that I am using for the end of the 13,000 years. That will be the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. If you believe it is literal or symbolic. That means between 2029 and 2036 war will come to an end and we will have 1000 years of peace and prosperity. For those who are still alive to see it.

The blip on NASA's radar raised their eyebrows back in 2004, but they have since learned that there is absolutely no risk posed by Apophis or anything else any time soon. There is no evidence, from NASA or any other source, of anything interesting on April 13th, 2029.

4004BC would be the Birth of Adam just like 4BC was the Birth of the Christ. So you add 33 years and that is when Adam fell into sin with Eve and also that is when Jesus died on the cross for Adams sin. We do not know for sure that Adam fell at the age of 33. But we do know for sure that was how old Jesus was when He died.

So many errors. You're slipping.

1) Prove that Adam was born in 4004 BC. Last time I checked, you asserted that 'Adam' was a common ancestor for the Jewish people.

2) Jesus was born between 7 BC and 2 BC; there's no evidence that he was born on 4 BC exactly. The only reason you have for selecting 4 BC is, of course, that it makes your calculations work.

3) Prove that the time between Jesus' birth and death is the same period of time between Adam's creation and the Fall.

4) Jesus was born between 7 BC and 2 BC, and died between 30 AD and 36 AD, placing his age of death anywhere between 31 and 43. The Bible's statements about the duration of his ministry, means he died at the age of at least 31, but gives no upper limit.

Also don't forget the nanodiamond astroid. The date for that is 12,900.

One conspiracy at a time, please.

Whatever historic Noah's flood was. The implication is a world wide flood.

Of course the implication is a world-wide flood. The problem is that it didn't actually happen. Reality trumps the Bible, I'm afraid.

Trying to find my way back to paradise is what keeps me going. Otherwise if it were not for the hope of returning to paradise I would not even want to live.

Congratulations, that's going in my signature - "WARNING: RELIGION WILL DO THIS TO YOU"

 

[46AND2]

The blip on NASA's radar raised their eyebrows back in 2004, but they have since learned that there is absolutely no risk posed by Apophis or anything else any time soon. There is no evidence, from NASA or any other source, of anything interesting on April 13th, 2029.


So many errors. You're slipping.

1) Prove that Adam was born in 4004 BC. Last time I checked, you asserted that 'Adam' was a common ancestor for the Jewish people.

2) Jesus was born between 7 BC and 2 BC; there's no evidence that he was born on 4 BC exactly. The only reason you have for selecting 4 BC is, of course, that it makes your calculations work.

3) Prove that the time between Jesus' birth and death is the same period of time between Adam's creation and the Fall.

4) Jesus was born between 7 BC and 2 BC, and died between 30 AD and 36 AD, placing his age of death anywhere between 31 and 43. The Bible's statements about the duration of his ministry, means he died at the age of at least 31, but gives no upper limit.


One conspiracy at a time, please.


Of course the implication is a world-wide flood. The problem is that it didn't actually happen. Reality trumps the Bible, I'm afraid.


Congratulations, that's going in my signature - "WARNING: RELIGION WILL DO THIS TO YOU"

That actually depends on which gospel you use. According to Matthew, it is as you say, since Matthew states Jesus was born during the reign of King Herod, who died in 4 BC.

However, Luke states that Jesus was born when Quirinius was governor of Syria and conducted the census. From several sources of Roman history, we know that this census occurred in 6AD, and Quirinius was serving in Turkey around the time of King Herod's death.

There is FAR more to this discrepancy. It's a pretty interesting debate. Richard Carrier takes an in depth look at it here:

The Date of the Nativity in Luke

 

[someguy14]

Thank you for responding.

So jerks are incapable of believing in the Bible now?

Belief in God is about repenting of wicked ways. Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand. Admitting that wicked is wicked and abandoning it. The fruit of the Spirit is gentleness, kindness, goodness, forgiveness, mercy, all things that are good. Give without expectation of receiving something in return. Joyfully give. Why not rather take the wrong, instead of bringing wrath down upon one attempting to hurt you. This flesh is temporary, we witness this. Yet goodness is goodness, eternal. The One that one desires is eternal. All yearn for goodness. It is the pain and torment that that all can do without.

The simple fact is that the Bible very clearly states that a mountain can be moved from one place to the other through the power of prayer, provided that the person who is praying has even just a small amount of faith.

Is it not a literal mountain? Are there exceptions to this rule?

Of course a literal mountain can be moved from one place unto another by true belief in God. This passage helps clear that up.
John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

If one believe's in the words of God about literal things, then one can believe in heavenly things. The truth is, all things are possible with God. For our understanding is that God is all things. God is before time began, for God is eternal. Hence the, "I knew you before time beagn". God is perfect. Love is a choice, otherwise it is forced. Forcing one to love another is an oxymoron. Love itself is precious since it is a choice. The angels that fought against God, chose to reject love and bathed in every evil, such as greed, selfishness and hatred. God has a place for all of the positions in heaven, some have rejected those purposes that are useful.

 

[someguy14]

I'm sorry, where did God defeat that? Link to a post if he did it in this thread, or a book, chapter, verse reference.

What's wasting time and energy is your insistence that mutually incompatible ideas are compatible.

Link a post.

 

[someguy14]

Indeed, but that doesn't tell us what the truth is. Is the Earth 6000 or 4.5 billion years old? What evidence do you have?

That's easy. Quote a verse in the Holy Bible that says one way or the other.