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We spend money in Africa we do not take money from the people. I have never ever made even one penny off of helping others. I am nothing compared to my wife. I would be willing to bet she gives up to 90% of her money to help others. I know of AT LEAST 5 college graduates that she put though school, mostly nursing school. I do not know of anyone more giving.
Which is great for you and your wife, but I wasn't talking about you two. I was talking about the evangelicals who exploit the poor and the needy,

So I do not know what your problem is, but you are a changed person that is for sure. It is as if a different person is using your keyboard. If the old person is gone that is fine, but I really do not want much to do with the current person typing on that keyboard.
My views on this haven't changed. It's always been my contention that people who give Bibles instead of medicine, who peddle fallacious faith healing and convince sick people to give up their meds, are soul-sucking liars.
 
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My views on this haven't changed. It's always been my contention that people who give Bibles instead of medicine, who peddle fallacious faith healing and convince sick people to give up their meds, are soul-sucking liars.
If you feel God is calling you to give people medicine then give people medicine. Whatever you feel He is calling you to do. But I would not judge others. You have your money to do whatever you want to do with it. Actually my wife is starting to buy a lot of medicine for her brothers because they are getting older and she says they need medicine. I do not see any connection between that and giving people Bibles or other teaching material.

If you go to YouTube you will find a lot of testimonies on there of people from many different ministries that were healed of AIDS. Some of them are a little long up to 12 min. But you can look at the testimony yourself. If as you suggest they are "soul-sucking liars" then science tells us you will see that in them. The police tell you that there are ways to know when someone is lieing. Even the most professional of con artists. Perhaps first you could do a search on some research for how to tell when somone is a "soul-sucking" liar.

It seems to me that people who claim there is no eternal life and that our soul is destroyed when we die. Those are the ones to avoid. Even the Bible talks about people that will perish in their sin. So the whole thing is to avoid the people who claim that in the end they are going to perish and their whole life is going to come to nothing. That it will be as if they never lived.

Seems like sort of a waste to me, to live your whole life and not accomplish anything with the life that we have lived. For it all to come to nothing.
 
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If you live in a poor developing nation it a death sentence. Looking at his theology God seems very indifferent to the poor.
That is not what the Bible says. You can not use money to buy the things of God. God does not want or need your money. If you want to spend it on wine, women and song then go ahead, but nothing good is going to come out of that. Then you want to come on here and be critical of people that use their money for good in a way that honors God. I think you people got it all backwards.
 
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If you feel God is calling you to give people medicine then give people medicine. Whatever you feel He is calling you to do. But I would not judge others. You have your money to do whatever you want to do with it. Actually my wife is starting to buy a lot of medicine for her brothers because they are getting older and she says they need medicine. I do not see any connection between that and giving people Bibles or other teaching material.
Every pound (or dollar) spent on a Bible is one not spent on welfare, clean water, and medicine.

If you go to YouTube you will find a lot of testimonies on there of people from many different ministries that were healed of AIDS. Some of them are a little long up to 12 min. But you can look at the testimony yourself. If as you suggest they are "soul-sucking liars" then science tells us you will see that in them. The police tell you that there are ways to know when someone is lieing. Even the most professional of con artists. Perhaps first you could do a search on some research for how to tell when somone is a "soul-sucking" liar.
The soul-sucking liar is the one telling them to give up their meds. The poor and the desperate are just that: desperate. I don't for one minute blame them - rather, I blame the wicked individuals who fool them into replacing proven medicine for baseless faith healing, leading to unnecessary suffering and death.

I don't doubt that there are testimonies. There are testimonies for everything. There's nothing new or special about that. The interesting thing, though, is that there's no actual corroboration for these testimonies. Yes, I'm sure someone genuinely believes that their HIV/AIDS has been cured by the power of Jesus - but has it? Their testimony tells us nothing about whether or not these people are actually cured, which is the only thing I care about.

It seems to me that people who claim there is no eternal life and that our soul is destroyed when we die. Those are the ones to avoid. Even the Bible talks about people that will perish in their sin. So the whole thing is to avoid the people who claim that in the end they are going to perish and their whole life is going to come to nothing.
No one knows what happens when we die, but it's rather more likely that we'll cease to exist than we'll float off into some paradise - it's just so human to replace a fear of death with the empty promise of happiness.

That it will be as if they never lived.
Err, and what about your friends and family? What about your lasting achievements? What about every life you touched while you were alive?

Seems like sort of a waste to me, to live your whole life and not accomplish anything with the life that we have lived. For it all to come to nothing.
Speak for yourself. The work I do creates technologies that alleviates suffering. Even if there is no afterlife and we simply cease to exist upon death, I'll die a happy man knowing I've helped my fellow man. If you think that's a waste, then I feel sorry for you.
 
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The soul-sucking liar is the one telling them to give up their meds.
No one is telling anyone to give up their meds. Where do you get this stuff from? The people that go on the mission trip go out, they give people a magazine and invite them to the miracle crusade. It is difficult for them to find the time just to do that much. The associate pastor likes to go to the prison to visit the prisoners. Sense they will not be able to attend the meeting. That way he can go to them and pray for them. The magazine costs us about 25 cents. We give them away for free. How much medicine do you think you can buy for 25 cents? Still if you feel that is what God is leading you to do, then buy medicine for the poor people. I am pretty sure my wife is sending at least $100 a month to buy medicine for people. But I really do not talk to her about it that much. I am not so sure that she is not getting that money from me to send to them for their meds. So I really do not see where you got a leg to stand on here. How much do you give to the poor people every month to buy their meds?
 
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Speak for yourself. The work I do creates technologies that alleviates suffering.
Then maybe you should just speak for yourself and quit trying to accuse others.
I spent 10 years of my life with this ministry to check them out to see if this was for real or not.
 
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No one is telling anyone to give up their meds. Where do you get this stuff from?
From faith healers themselves. If you tell someone they've been cured of HIV/AIDS, they're going to stop taking their HIV/AIDS medication. If you tell someone they've been cured of cancer, their going to stpo taking their cancer medication.

And even if they don't, they've spent time and money in some fool's errand when they could be out getting real help.

The people that go on the mission trip go out, they give people a magazine and invite them to the miracle crusade. It is difficult for them to find the time just to do that much. The associate pastor likes to go to the prison to visit the prisoners. Sense they will not be able to attend the meeting. That way he can go to them and pray for them. The magazine costs us about 25 cents. We give them away for free. How much medicine do you think you can buy for 25 cents?
A lot. Each magazine is 25 cents, but how many magazines do you purchase? 100? 200? 1,000?

Still if you feel that is what God is leading you to do, then buy medicine for the poor people. I am pretty sure my wife is sending at least $100 a month to buy medicine for people. But I really do not talk to her about it that much. I am not so sure that she is not getting that money from me to send to them for their meds. So I really do not see where you got a leg to stand on here.
Once again, I'm not talking about you and your wife, I'm talking about evangelicals who prey on the desperate and the needy. I'm talking about those liars who tell the vulnerable that their life-threatening illness has been miraculously cured through prayer and speaking in tongues and such like, and those people then go off their meds because - surprise surprise - they think they've been cured. And then - surprise surprise - they die.

It is those people I accuse of being soul-sucking liars.

How much do you give to the poor people every month to buy their meds?
2% of my wage, taken directly out of my salary.

Then maybe you should just speak for yourself and quit trying to accuse others.
Why? These people are causing deaths, and they aren't causing miraculous cures of HIV/AIDS. They make these claims, but fail to back them up, so why shouldn't I accuse these soul-sucking liars of being just that?

I spent 10 years of my life with this ministry to check them out to see if this was for real or not.
And if after those ten years you still can't present a shred of verifiable evidence to support your claims, what does that tell you?
 
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What in the world does this have to do with believing the Bible to be true?

In any case, I sow much more good by being a nice atheist than I would if I was a jerk who believed the Bible.

The fact that one put's their trust into believeing a "jerk" could believe in the Holy Bible is proof that, that one, is without understanding.
 
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No you don't.

Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
So why don't we see mountains moving after people pray for it? (Evasion of the issue in 3, 2, 1...)

One's lack of understanding isn't proof that it isn't happening. The ones that refuse to believe in God, choose to refuse to understand it, 100% of the time. Understanding is only for the ones that believe in God. Hearing and seeing is for all. Understanding and perceiving is only for those that believe in God.
 
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raising false accusations.

As far as telling who anybody should or should not follow, I am not here to do that. I will leave things like that to those who think their beliefs are "the truth".

Only truth is the truth. Who disagrees with that except those against truth.

Let God be true, and every man a liar. :)

Believe in God.
 
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The really sad part about Jamin's belief is that if you live in a medically advanced country HIV is no longer a death sentence. With our current antivirals your expected lifespan is about a couple of years shorter than the average. If you live in a poor developing nation it a death sentence. Looking at his theology God seems very indifferent to the poor.

The world fails and the wicked prosper. One is welcome to proudly and arrogantly flaunt their hatred for God, though I guarantee, only destruction awaits them in the end.

Jeremiah 5:27
As a cagehttp://www.christianforums.com/#fn-descriptionAnchor-a is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.
 
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