besides, that verse says justified, so we can't take it to mean justified in it's fullest sense, or else we are justified by works. That is what i meant by overpressing the text.
James Ch. 5: 10 Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11 As you know, we count as blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job’s perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
Job was set on doing things Job's way instead of God's way.
Sound familiar?
The topic is Job, not me. There is nothing in Job suggesting he is doing things his way as opposed to Yah's way.So, you have NEVER done that?
Hey, we actually agree on something.
The topic is Job, not me. There is nothing in Job suggesting he is doing things his way as opposed to Yah's way.
There is nothing in Job suggesting he is doing things his way as opposed to Yah's way.
So, you have NEVER done that?
Ch 38 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
CH 40 The Lord said to Job:
2 “Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”
3 Then Job answered the Lord:
4 “I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—
twice, but I will say no more.”
6 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm:
7 “Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
8 “Would you discredit my justice?
Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
Rom 9:20 But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”
Indeed YAHU and I agree (and Frogster too apparently) that there is nothing suggesting Job is doing things his way as opposed to YAH's way. To assume he was wrong for praying and sacrificing for his wayward children is far fetched to say the least.
In the end of Job's suffering (starting in Ch 38) , God challenges Job for questioning his reasoning, and that is All. But that questioning came after Job's suffering had occurred...as a result of his complaining (as Frogster points out) not before.
In none of this does God say Job was the cause of his own satanic attacks. However God does challenge Job for questioning the reasoning, and the justification of his suffering.
And in the same tone, Paul says the following, justifying God's sovereignty...
God does not need a reason (caused by Job...as Optimax would imply) to allow satan to attack him. He has his own reasons, and does not need to explain Himself. He may explain Himself if He chooses. He is sovereign...end of story.
YAHU already answered you.I am waiting to see if Yahu responds to my post #67
You have part of what is going on with Job.
God is sovereign.
But the story continues.
Scripture in the book of Job says that Job, was going to do things his own way and would argue with God about it.
The scriptures you quoted show Job's attitude when God confronted Job about it.
7 After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken the truth about me, as my servant Job has.” 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job’s prayer.
10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the Lord restored his fortunes and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the Lord had brought on him, and each one gave him a piece of silver[a] and a gold ring.
In the midst of all your accusations of "FALSE DOCTRINE" and "WOF false doctrine.
Got a real simple question for you while I wait on Yahu.
When you see scripture that contradicts what you have been saying/believe.
Will you admit it?
Or ignore or discount it and continue with what you said/believed.
All you have done is twist the meaning of those scriptures. So no...I will not admit what you have twisted.
So even when scripture is shown you that contradicts what you said/believe you will not admit it.
That is what you just said!
You stated that even when it is proved you are wrong you will not admit it.
There you go twisting my words as well.
I am now going to ask the Lord to put you to the test, a trial to come, which will shake the false doctrine from your mind. The kind of trial/test, which will leave you without a doubt, that the WOF is a well without water, and bring you to repentance. He knows your heart better than you or I, and if justified, and He wills it, He will accomplish it, for His name's sake.