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What Makes Creationism a Valid Scientific Alternative?

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Things are accomplished without religious faith every day.

Nothing is. What does your brain know about the heart? Yet it sends out the signal to beat anyway. You brain operates on total faith and trust in something it knows nothing about. It runs all your organs with no knowledge of what it's doing except by feedback after the fact. Your brain operates 100% on religious faith. It works tirelessly with no reason except faith in it's maker.
 
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No, this is not a christian idea. One of the more dismaying things about christianity is its subtle philosophy that it can steal and then proclaim ownership of just about any idea. You see it where christians claim that the constitut.....<snip>


Lets stay on the topic of Christianity & Science.

There is no conflict with science. Just with some scientists conclusions. And the scientific community is full of conflicting ideas anyway. To suggest that science is a unified front of ideas is silly.
 
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Loudmouth said:
Science is not based on christianity, nor any christian ideas. Christianity relies on the supernatural. Where is the supernatural in science? Christianity is based on "the mystery" and on faith. It is not based on the scientific method, nor was the scientific method derived from christianity.

On top of that, just look at how creationist groups describe science. They describe it as going against God, an evil materialistic philosophy, and the product of Satan. We are told by creationists on this very forum that the world is not knowable and understandable through analysis, but can only be understood through faith in a literal Bible. That is the VERY OPPOSITE OF SCIENCE.

And yes, the history of science is taught. Have you learned about it at all? Perhaps you may have learned about Galileo who dared to propose an idea that contradicted christian ideas?

Am I hostile to bad science? Absolutely. Why shouldn't I be? Do I challenge bad philosophies? Absolutely. Everyone should.

Can you tell us why scientists should consider bad science and bad philosophies? Or are you a post modernist?

On what basis do scientist have for expecting there to be mathematically precise relationships in nature which can be studied and understood if the universe was not created by an intelligent designer rather than the product of random chance?
 
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On what basis do scientist have for expecting there to be mathematically precise relationships in nature which can be studied and understood if the universe was not created by an intelligent designer rather than the product of random chance?

What I would do is mix chemicals together randomly and see if life develops.
Or I'd shortcut the process and look for life elsewhere.
Sentient Developments: New theory may explain why radio SETI has failed

And maybe give up when beat.
Curiosity rover: why Nasa isn't looking for life on Mars | Stuart Clark | Science | guardian.co.uk
 
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Or see if it blows up.

Or one could just study chemistry and understand which chemical reactions would be dangerous.

Which do you think would be more dangerous, mixing hydrochloric acid with sulfuric acid or mixing sulfuric acid with water? Keep in mind we are using equal parts.
 
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HitchSlap said:
You need to define design and then explain how it "presumes science."

I don't need to define or explain anything. Design in nature is self evident. The burden is on you to demonstrate how everything came from nothing, how the first life spontaneously came from non life, developed the ability to reproduce itself in the first generation, and then went from the goo through the zoo to me and you.
 
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I don't need to define or explain anything. Design in nature is self evident.[\quote]

Yes, you do. Design is NOT self evident in nature. You need to define "design" and how it can be distinguished from "non-design" then explain how it applies to nature. Just saying it is self-evident is useless. :doh:

The burden is on you to demonstrate how everything came from nothing, how the first life spontaneously came from non life, developed the ability to reproduce itself in the first generation, and then went from the goo through the zoo to me and you.

Why would we need to demonstrate your imagination? :doh:
 
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I don't need to define or explain anything. Design in nature is self evident. The burden is on you to demonstrate how everything came from nothing.....snip/

Science doesn't say everything came from nothing, creationists are the ones who say that.
 
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I don't need to define or explain anything. Design in nature is self evident. The burden is on you to demonstrate how everything came from nothing, how the first life spontaneously came from non life, developed the ability to reproduce itself in the first generation, and then went from the goo through the zoo to me and you.
Right on! :thumbsup:
 
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