Zion's War On Christendom

[SilenceInMotion]

One thing that has concerned me in this current era is the over-acceptance of Jewish bigotries against Gentiles. I would say almost, but it has already come about that in the face of mockery and disdain of the Lord Jesus Christ, many Christians simply do not stand up to it and when one does, they are practically double-teamed by Christians themselves.

I see this as a mortal issue- Jews are supposed to be 'God's chosen people', and yet even by them being proverbial anti-Christs, Christians simply allow and even condone their actions of walking over people with their hatefulness.

I feel like there is some flawed 'political correctness' which people are becoming indoctrinated into, as a Christian will be shunned for speaking ill against Jews while they practically get a free-bee on their transgressions.


Figured I'd make this thread to see how others feel about this

 

[Interplanner]

Have you read the thread called "Prager and Hagee in agreement" over at eschatology? The significance is that the orthodox Jew and very clear thinker, Dennis Prager (national talk show host), recently had Hagee on as a guest. they were in perfect agreement about modern Israel. Prager insists that Jesus cannot be Messiah because no description of the figure is anything like Jesus. This is not addressed nor any sort of an issue to Hagee. Therefore, my conclusion is that one of the most mililtant defenders of modern Israel who says he is a Christian has no problem with Prager's denial of Messiah.

I may be wrong, but wasn't the essential declaration of the NT Christians that "Jesus was Messiah"?

--Inter

 

[miamited]

I'd guess that you probably have some hate in your heart towards God's people. My encouragement is that you look into yourself and why you have so much hate. I can assure you, friend, that whether your observations are correct your hatefulness will condemn you on the day of God's judgement. No one who hates his brother who he has seen can love God who he has not.

Make no mistake, the children of Israel have been blinded by the will of their God that His mercy may also be made available to you, but all Israel will be saved.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[SilenceInMotion]

I'd guess that you probably have some hate in your heart towards God's people. My encouragement is that you look into yourself and why you have so much hate. I can assure you, friend, that whether your observations are correct your hatefulness will condemn you on the day of God's judgement. No one who hates his brother who he has seen can love God who he has not.

I have no hate for Jews, and your statements are a product of political correctness., so all of a sudden one has to hate Jews to criticize them. Do you accuse Jews of hating Gentiles when they criticize them? Of course not.

 

[Lovely Lane]

All people are God's people. Only those who believe in Christ have eternal life, all others go some where else.
1948 Zionist Israel has only a biblical name and landscape, nothing else applies. Either they, like anyone else, believe in Christ or not, it's up to them.

 

[Aijalon]

One thing that has concerned me in this current era is the over-acceptance of Jewish bigotries against Gentiles. I would say almost, but it has already come about that in the face of mockery and disdain of the Lord Jesus Christ, many Christians simply do not stand up to it and when one does, they are practically double-teamed by Christians themselves.

I see this as a mortal issue- Jews are supposed to be 'God's chosen people', and yet even by them being proverbial anti-Christs, Christians simply allow and even condone their actions of walking over people with their hatefulness.

I feel like there is some flawed 'political correctness' which people are becoming indoctrinated into, as a Christian will be shunned for speaking ill against Jews while they practically get a free-bee on their transgressions.


Figured I'd make this thread to see how others feel about this

Who the true Israel is is a mystery. True Israel is the Israel of God, there is no longer such a thing as a Gentile. This is clearly laid out in the New Testament.

There are two political pitfalls that Christians can fall into concerning Israel.

#1 - Trusting in the false notion that the white Jews running the current State of Israel have anything to do with the kingdom of God. It is much more likely that the current state of Israel is the harlot of Revelation rather than the covenant people of God. The prophecies of the Jews returning to their homeland pertains to the time after the Return of Jesus.

#2 - Believing that there is no redemption for the land of Israel, and that Jerusalem is now only a scriptural metaphor for the Church. Many groups think that land of Israel is no longer prophetcially significant to the Lord, and that Zion is fulfilled in the church. This is based on the false notion which typically trusts in church leaders and "apolstolic" figures as leaders of a kingdom of God made by clergymen.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Who the true Israel is is a mystery. True Israel is the Israel of God, there is no longer such a thing as a Gentile. This is clearly laid out in the New Testament.

There are two political pitfalls that Christians can fall into concerning Israel.

#1 - Trusting in the false notion that the white Jews running the current State of Israel have anything to do with the kingdom of God. It is much more likely that the current state of Israel is the harlot of Revelation rather than the covenant people of God. The prophecies of the Jews returning to their homeland pertains to the time after the Return of Jesus.

#2 - Believing that there is no redemption for the land of Israel, and that Jerusalem is now only a scriptural metaphor for the Church. Many groups think that land of Israel is no longer prophetcially significant to the Lord, and that Zion is fulfilled in the church. This is based on the false notion which typically trusts in church leaders and "apolstolic" figures as leaders of a kingdom of God made by clergymen.

Perhaps it's not the land of Israel, but Israel himself (Jacob) and the people thereafter. If Christ is the truth, then Christians are the true Israelite brand which proceeds from Israel.
As far as the Catholic notion is concerned, it is the Church which has been declared infallible and Godly, and I'm sure non-Catholics deduce it simply as Christendom in general. It must simply be that way because hailing from Israel or simply having the actual blood of the historical Israelites is not justification.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

Over acceptance may mean you are concerning yourself too much with them, and not concentrating on God enough. Who cares what they think? It is a personal choice to accept Jesus. If they don't accept him, it is their fault, not yours.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Over acceptance may mean you are concerning yourself too much with them, and not concentrating on God enough. Who cares what they think? It is a personal choice to accept Jesus. If they don't accept him, it is their fault, not yours.

I think what amplifies the issue is what it means to say Jesus is not the Son- by someone who knows what the penalty of that is and that their blood would otherwise put them a grade above us.
That, in itself, has been the cause of Holy wars and racial discrepancies throughout history. We have this illusion of a more liberal world, and this acts as a mirage to cover a very real problem that never really went away.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Perhaps it's not the land of Israel, but Israel himself (Jacob) and the people thereafter. If Christ is the truth, then Christians are the true Israelite brand which proceeds from Israel.
As far as the Catholic notion is concerned, it is the Church which has been declared infallible and Godly, and I'm sure non-Catholics deduce it simply as Christendom in general.
It must simply be that way because hailing from Israel or simply having the actual blood of the historical Israelites is not justification.

I would tend to agree with that.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7543283/#post61724990
"Zionism Has Nothing to do With Judaism"

However, the Israeli leadership, in no way shuns, the naive Christian Zionist's money, and political clout, towards there goals, and getting American money, from the Zionist't that lurk, in the US government. Alex.

 

[The Lone Ranger]

I think what amplifies the issue is what it means to say Jesus is not the Son- by someone who knows what the penalty of that is and that their blood would otherwise put them a grade above us.
That, in itself, has been the cause of Holy wars and racial discrepancies throughout history. We have this illusion of a more liberal world, and this acts as a mirage to cover a very real problem that never really went away.

To my knowledge they only study the Torah, and the New Testament is not part of the Torah. So I guess they figure ignorance is bliss. Also, if I remember correctly, God said he would go into Hell and ask each one of them to accept him anyway, in order to give them a second chance at eternal life.

 

[Timyone]

I'd guess that you probably have some hate in your heart towards God's people. My encouragement is that you look into yourself and why you have so much hate. I can assure you, friend, that whether your observations are correct your hatefulness will condemn you on the day of God's judgement. No one who hates his brother who he has seen can love God who he has not.

Make no mistake, the children of Israel have been blinded by the will of their God that His mercy may also be made available to you, but all Israel will be saved.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

I don't agree with this post

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To my knowledge they only study the Torah, and the New Testament is not part of the Torah. So I guess they figure ignorance is bliss. Also, if I remember correctly, God said he would go into Hell and ask each one of them to accept him anyway, in order to give them a second chance at eternal life.

Aren't there also 2 chances for that shown in Revelation?

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by a Man came death, by a Man also came the resurrection of the dead.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

[Tractor1]

True Israel is the Israel of God, there is no longer such a thing as a Gentile. This is clearly laid out in the New Testament.

Paul would disagree with you: "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor the Gentiles, nor to the church of God" (1 Cor. 10:32). The Bible presents the origin, present estate, and destiny of four classes of rational created beings in this universe: the angels, the Gentiles, the Jews, and the Christians. Nothing is more relavent to a true Biblical interpretation than observance of the truth that these specific classes continue what they are (except that in the present age individual Jews or Gentiles may by faith in Christ become Christians) throughout their history.


In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Albion]

Have you read the thread called "Prager and Hagee in agreement" over at eschatology? The significance is that the orthodox Jew and very clear thinker, Dennis Prager (national talk show host), recently had Hagee on as a guest. they were in perfect agreement about modern Israel. Prager insists that Jesus cannot be Messiah because no description of the figure is anything like Jesus. This is not addressed nor any sort of an issue to Hagee. Therefore, my conclusion is that one of the most mililtant defenders of modern Israel who says he is a Christian has no problem with Prager's denial of Messiah.

I may be wrong, but wasn't the essential declaration of the NT Christians that "Jesus was Messiah"?

--Inter

Those evangelicals who take this stand, like Hagee, are of the opinion that the Jews remain God's chosen people even though they did not and do not accept Jesus as their Messiah. Of course they'd rather that Jews all convert to Christianity, but they believe that God retains a special place for them in any case--which would not be true of other peoples who do not acknowledge Jesus as the Christ.

 

[Albion]

As far as the Catholic notion is concerned, it is the Church which has been declared infallible

Your denominational cheerleading is getting ahead of even your own church. The Roman Church does not consider itself to be infallible.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

Also, if I remember correctly, God said he would go into Hell and ask each one of them to accept him anyway, in order to give them a second chance at eternal life.

I know that Jesus descended into Hell after his death and preached. I do not know, however, about another occurrence happening again for the Jews specifically. If it is from Revelations, that could be why I do not know- I am not too professed in the book because I feel it is meant to not be able to understand until the time actually comes. It's practically a labyrinth of symbols.

Your denominational cheerleading is getting ahead of even your own church. The Roman Church does not consider itself to be infallible.

It's not the Church itself that is fallible. There is a bit of hearsay that floats around due to a misunderstanding- it is not the people of the Church but the Church itself that is infallible, you see.

 

[Verticordious]

One thing that has concerned me in this current era is the over-acceptance of Jewish bigotries against Gentiles. I would say almost, but it has already come about that in the face of mockery and disdain of the Lord Jesus Christ, many Christians simply do not stand up to it and when one does, they are practically double-teamed by Christians themselves.

I see this as a mortal issue- Jews are supposed to be 'God's chosen people', and yet even by them being proverbial anti-Christs, Christians simply allow and even condone their actions of walking over people with their hatefulness.

I feel like there is some flawed 'political correctness' which people are becoming indoctrinated into, as a Christian will be shunned for speaking ill against Jews while they practically get a free-bee on their transgressions.


Figured I'd make this thread to see how others feel about this

What exactly are these "bigotries against gentiles" that you accuse Israel of? I personally don't buy the argument that the "I will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel" still applies today, but Israel is a free and democratic country who is basically just the victim of attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing by a bunch of racists, and as such we should help them.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

What exactly are these "bigotries against gentiles" that you accuse Israel of?

How The Jews Mock Jesus Christ - YouTube

 

[Albion]

It's not the Church itself that is fallible. There is a bit of hearsay that floats around due to a misunderstanding- it is not the people of the Church but the Church itself that is infallible, you see.

Nothing's changed by that explanation. The church does not claim to be infallible.

It can make mistakes and has made mistakes. No Catholic theologian would deny that. Only that which has been determined to be infallible by the church, following certain standards of judgment, is considered by the church to be infallible. On much else concerning belief and practice, it can indeed err.