Zion's War On Christendom

[Bethesda]

Spanish? Is that a codeword you use?

What is a Jew? To me it is someone who has Judaism as their religion.

Zionist believe in Zionism, their secular religion is global and their statement of faith is of power, influence,and wealth. Obtained through use of monopolies in media, financial industry,(among others) and foreign government influence peddling through lobbyist and in holding high level government positions. All of which promotes a merchant/political organization based in a land masked in having a Biblical name of Israel.

This is a decent article, for I wouldn't want you to just take what I have to say about Zionist....

I know that there is a difference between Zionism and Judaism - but previous poster have commented about the supposed disproportionate impact of the number of Jews in the US (not Zionists) on US govt and society.
As a Brit I find it faintly odd that on these boards there are on the one hand right wing Christians (and Messsianic Jews) who view is that Israel can do no wrong and other right wing (which has been a leit motif of US foreign policy for many years) and then Christians who subscribe to variants of the ZOG point of view. Both sides propel themselves into talking in ways that would condone great inhumanity (repatriation, writing off Arab deaths as collateral damage, being seemingly upset that a cease fire has been set up, looking forward to clobbering Iran and this talk of puppet masters and the malign influence of Zionists in US society with the logical follow up to that being its removal) and seem almost a mirror image of each other in some ways - certainly seem a long way from the Parable of the Good Samaritan.
The Spanish comment is that perhaps in 50-100 years time most of the US will be speaking Spanish except for whoever is living in some [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] group of whites only states somewhere in the Mid or SW.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

The very statement is an affront to Christianity and should be disbanded
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How do you disband a word or statement - you disband military units or teams made up of people - do you mean that Judaism should be disbanded as a certain A Hitler wanted? You are coming back in your statements to the very roots of anti-semitism re Jews as the Christ Killer.

Christians have no problem denouncing homosexuals and atheists, why not Jews? Are they all of a sudden granted a pass simply because of their ancestral blood?
It's nonsense. They are anti-Christs, and Christians are afraid to stand up to them while they practically walk around trashing Christ and his followers.
I can guarantee if it were anyone else, Christians would not hesitate for a second to rebuke their statements. I think it is hypocritical and irresponsible.
But perhaps it is simply part of revelation- the Anti-Christ will come from out of their brand, and those such as yourself will be the ones to allow it. Quite simply- those who give the Jews leeway have gotten wool stretched over their eyes.

 

[LLWHA]

Perhaps it's not the land of Israel, but Israel himself (Jacob) and the people thereafter. If Christ is the truth, then Christians are the true Israelite brand which proceeds from Israel.
As far as the Catholic notion is concerned, it is the Church which has been declared infallible and Godly, and I'm sure non-Catholics deduce it simply as Christendom in general. It must simply be that way because hailing from Israel or simply having the actual blood of the historical Israelites is not justification.

I do not believe most so called Christians follow Jesus Christ.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well Muslims consider Jesus a prophet, which is a step above the Jewish notion that he is a 'basterd child of a harlot'.
The very statement is an affront to Christianity and should be disbanded. The way they speak of our Lord is simply unacceptable_

The very statement is an affront to Christianity and should be disbanded
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How do you disband a word or statement - you disband military units or teams made up of people - do you mean that Judaism should be disbanded as a certain A Hitler wanted? You are coming back in your statements to the very roots of anti-semitism re Jews as the Christ Killer.

Christians have no problem denouncing homosexuals and atheists, why not Jews? Are they all of a sudden granted a pass simply because of their ancestral blood?
It's nonsense. They are anti-Christs, and Christians are afraid to stand up to them while they practically walk around trashing Christ and his followers.
I can guarantee if it were anyone else, Christians would not hesitate for a second to rebuke their statements. I think it is hypocritical and irresponsible.
But perhaps it is simply part of revelation- the Anti-Christ will come from out of their brand, and those such as yourself will be the ones to allow it. Quite simply- those who give the Jews leeway have gotten wool stretched over their eyes.

Reluctantly and with much sorrow and apprehension, I agree with that...

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The fact that the rich man has five brothers is a vital clue to his true symbolic identity. Judah, the progenitor of the Jews, was the son of Jacob through Leah (Gen. 29:35). He had five full-blooded brothers: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun (Gen. 35:23).

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.

This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!

 

[Bethesda]

Christians have no problem denouncing homosexuals and atheists, why not Jews? Are they all of a sudden granted a pass simply because of their ancestral blood?
It's nonsense. They are anti-Christs, and Christians are afraid to stand up to them while they practically walk around trashing Christ and his followers.
I can guarantee if it were anyone else, Christians would not hesitate for a second to rebuke their statements. I think it is hypocritical and irresponsible.
But perhaps it is simply part of revelation- the Anti-Christ will come from out of their brand, and those such as yourself will be the ones to allow it. Quite simply- those who give the Jews leeway have gotten wool stretched over their eyes.

Well done for not answering the question - how do you disband the Jews. Perhaps your country is very different to mine as I do not hear Jewish people trashing Christ and his followers. I am not sure about denouncing or rebuking - we can say we disagree with people but the way we do it has to be considered and appropriate as otherwise we end up sounding like the KKK or the Nazis. I may disagree with Jewish people's beliefs or homosexuality or atheism but surely we are called upon to pray for them, to witness (or are you saying that God has written them off already) and to love our enemies - just shouting in their faces won't achieve much. As to people who don't want to go down again the route of anti-semitism (which I'm sorry is what it sounds like you are indirectly supporting - if you are not then I apologise but those of us who live in Europe and are older than you know where matters can end up) bringing in the Anti-Christ - surely ultimately thats in God's plan so its not down to individuals. Incidentally I equally reject treating all Muslims as potential terrorists etc and that equally causes me to agree to disagree with those either Christian or Jewish who try to peddle that line too.

Incidentally surely the post about Lazarus is just overcomplicating things - Jesus was speaking to the people around him who were Jews - he wasn't making a racial point. He makes numerous point about the Pharisees and their behaviour - thats surely criticising that particular approach - not the whole Jewish people. All those heroes of faith of the OT were Jews. If Jacob btw was not Jewish what was he.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

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I'm a Nazi because I am brave enough to point out their shameless bigotries against Christians?

This is exactly what I'm talking about- the entire point of this thread. Way to exemplify what I have been trying to reveal. I didn't know being a Christian was synonymous with being a coward- the Bible says to reveal and rebuke evils, and those such as yourself defend them.

 

[Bethesda]

I'm a Nazi because I am brave enough to point out their shameless bigotries against Christians?

This is exactly what I'm talking about- the entire point of this thread. Way to exemplify what I have been trying to reveal. I didn't know being a Christian was synonymous with being a coward- the Bible says to reveal and rebuke evils, and those such as yourself defend them.

I don't see it as defending evil to say that if we want to make the point that we don't agree with Judaism that we do it in a way that doesn't get us mistaken for those who are anti-semites - anti-semitism of course has nothing to do with Christianity, as people like the Nazis who were anti-semites were also extremely anti-Christian.

 

[SilenceInMotion]

I don't see it as defending evil to say that if we want to make the point that we don't agree with Judaism that we do it in a way that doesn't get us mistaken for those who are anti-semites - anti-semitism of course has nothing to do with Christianity, as people like the Nazis who were anti-semites were also extremely anti-Christian.

No, you defend them, because that is what the media and society has molded you to do. Jews could have an anti-Christian parade and you would denounce anyone who said anything about it. That is how a good three quarters of Christians are.
Muslims doing it, however, would result in many Christians stepping up. The whole deal is with the Jews specifically: people will find any excuse to denounce someone who steps up to them, such as what you are doing now. It's called being a social sheep when one determines that another is a Nazi because they made a simple thread inquiring on their bigotries.

 

[suzybeezy]

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[Bethesda]

No, you defend them, because that is what the media and society has molded you to do. Jews could have an anti-Christian parade and you would denounce anyone who said anything about it. That is how a good three quarters of Christians are.
Muslims doing it, however, would result in many Christians stepping up. The whole deal is with the Jews specifically: people will find any excuse to denounce someone who steps up to them, such as what you are doing now. It's called being a social sheep when one determines that another is a Nazi because they made a simple thread inquiring on their bigotries.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I have not seen any examples in the UK of Jews attacking Christian beliefs. I have been to Israel (like many people have) and know Jewish folk here and there are good and bad like anyone else. And as said i was not referring to you and its not appropriate to say any more on that in the light of the MOD's very fair posting.

I do think that its not quite correct to imply as some of the earlier posts did that people who are not strident in rebuking or whatever Judaism are some sort of liberal allies of secularist/PC types when elsewhere on this site one can find many examples of people who would absolutely fit into the conservative mould on all the main topics one could think of, who at the same time are complaining that Israel has not malleted Hamas enough and had let them off the hook by agreeing to a cease fire and talk about the evil plan to gang up on Israel etc. As they say in Yorkshire, "thar's nowt so queer (in the UK Yorkshire sense of that word!) as folk"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by SilenceInMotion No, you defend them, because that is what the media and society has molded you to do. Jews could have an anti-Christian parade and you would denounce anyone who said anything about it. That is how a good three quarters of Christians are.
Muslims doing it, however, would result in many Christians stepping up. The whole deal is with the Jews specifically: people will find any excuse to denounce someone who steps up to them, such as what you are doing now. It's called being a social sheep when one determines that another is a Nazi because they made a simple thread inquiring on their bigotries.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I have not seen any examples in the UK of Jews attacking Christian beliefs. I have been to Israel (like many people have) and know Jewish folk here and there are good and bad like anyone else.

And as said i was not referring to you and its not appropriate to say any more in the light of the MOD's very fair posting.

Very interesting points indeed


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[Tractor1]

Figured I'd make this thread to see how others feel about this

My opinion is that the reality would be nearly parallel among Christians if a new divine project were to be forced in at this time to supersede Christianity.

Up until the time of the cross Judaism had not only been engendered, promoted, and blessed of God, it was His will for a chosen people in the world. The beneficiaries of Judaism were as intrenched in their religious position and convictions as are the most orthodox belivers today. The new divine purpose came, not only with great suddeness, but totally without Old Testament revelation, engendering prejudice and resistance in direct proportion to the sincerity with which the individual Jew cherished their agelong privileges. Viewed only from a human standpoint, there was no possibility that a movement of such character could be introduced.

Compounding the truth above is the fact that they are under a judicial judgement of blindness from God. Racial responsibility is in view, otherwise no accounting can be made for the fact that later generations must suffer for the sins of their fathers. This principle is announced in the second commandment, which declares: "I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments" (Ex. 20:5-6).

Isaiah predicted the blindness that fell upon Israel (Isa. 6:9-10), and this assumes importance when it's observed that various New Testament passages quote it, and how it relates to the present unforseen age. Isaiah went on to say that a remnant of Israel which he described as a "tenth" (Isa. 6:13) will be enlightened. This same blindness the Apostle declares to be "in part" (Rom. 11:25), allowing again for the remnant who are saved in this age. Christ Himself references Isaiah's prediction in (Matthew 13:14-15).

As Christians, we should recognize and understand the difficulties faced by the Jews, not only in this age, but the one to come. Ignorance is unacceptable, and failing or refusing to do so, puts you at odds with God's overall plan.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Lovely Lane]

Tractor1....."As Christians, we should recognize and understand the difficulties faced by the Jews, not only in this age, but the one to come. Ignorance is unacceptable, and failing or refusing to do so, puts you at odds with God's overall plan".

I do not understand what you mean here. What is the difference of a secular Israeli Jew than a secular American citizen? Both deny God.
I have read that a overwhelmingly majority of Israelis are secular, by choice. And the majority of those who say they are Jewish do not obey the Jewish law in keeping the Sabbath. So, what difficulties do they face that other human's do not?

 

[SanFrank]

"This is what the LORD says, he who appointshttp://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/31.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-104 the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night,http://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/31.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-105 who stirs up the seahttp://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/31.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-106 so that its waves roarhttp://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/31.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-107-- the LORD Almighty is his name: "Only if these decreeshttp://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/31.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-109 vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will the descendantshttp://www.biblestudytools.com/jeremiah/31.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-110 of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me." - Jer 31

 

[Lovely Lane]

"This is what the LORD says, he who appoints the sun to shine by day, who decrees the moon and stars to shine by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar-- the LORD Almighty is his name: "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight," declares the LORD, "will the descendants of Israel ever cease to be a nation before me." - Jer 31

"Nation" being the keyword. Not a State, especially a Zionist State. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[SilenceInMotion]

"Nation" being the keyword. Not a State, especially a Zionist State. Wouldn't you agree?

Zionists are basically the Jewish KKK. That is what this thread was intended to discuss. People are dividing lines between secular Jews, Judaic adherents, etc.
This thread is about Zionists and those who blaspheme the Lord and disrupt Gentiles.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

In all honesty Christians shouldn't support anybody who has no good reason to kill another person, whether it's the nation of Israel or not.

Can someone who does support Israel give me a good reason for why we should support them, particularly since it IS a secular nation? Is it just because it's the only democratic nation in the Middle East, or because God gave that part of the world to the Jews or because we're hoping for a new temple to be rebuilt? Seriously our love affair with Zionist thinking is disturbing.

 

[Creech]

Zionists are basically the Jewish KKK. That is what this thread was intended to discuss. People are dividing lines between secular Jews, Judaic adherents, etc.
This thread is about Zionists and those who blaspheme the Lord and disrupt Gentiles.

Just like you cannot separate Islam from Sharia, I don't believe you can separate most of modern Judaism from Zionism. There are many individual jews who are against zionism, but they are far fewer in number.

 

[Bethesda]

Zionists are basically the Jewish KKK. That is what this thread was intended to discuss. People are dividing lines between secular Jews, Judaic adherents, etc.
This thread is about Zionists and those who blaspheme the Lord and disrupt Gentiles.

I presume when you say 'people are dividing lines....' you mean that people are differentiating between secular Jews, religious Jews - and that overall the point you are making is about being critical of Zionism rather than of Judaism and Jews per se.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Zionists are basically the Jewish KKK. That is what this thread was intended to discuss. People are dividing lines between secular Jews, Judaic adherents, etc.

This thread is about Zionists and those who blaspheme the Lord and disrupt Gentiles.

First I have heard of a Jewish KKK.

Do you think Paul and John are talking about them in these verses?

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Romans 2:23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?
24 For "the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of ye," as it is written.

Revelation 16:11 They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds.
21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, [each hailstone] about the weight of a talent.
Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.