Romney or Obama?

[SolomonVII]

What is it that bothers me with Obama? The Democratic party and a lot of their beliefs.

Mitt Romney and the Republicans aren't exactly my faith, but at least they aren't voting against God on a lot of my moral issues (for the unborn babies, not promoting gays, saving some USA for our children's children, etc.).

What bothers me is where we are heading financially! If a party respects balancing the budget then they should at least be moral enough to not spend away our children's lives, putting them into slavery to pay off our debts.

I love JFK's saying and thus did once love the Democrat party, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" Somehow, that is one of the sweetest things that I heard as a child growing up. I loved that president dearly, as did most of the USA (and world?).

Gosh, I couldn't have said it better myself.
And neither did Jack Kennedy say it any better.

 

[Shane Roach]

I am voting for Barack Obama because I feel his domestic policies better align with my Christian philosophy. Of course, he isn't perfect - I'm very pro-life.

I was determined to vote for Barak this year after wathcing the fiasco that became the Republican Primary, but a few of the traditional drubbings I always received for trying to be marginally concerned with any sort of sexual decency at all convinced me it is better to just sit this election out.

Until Democrats can at least begin to be NEUTRAL about Christ again, I can never really feel safe voting for them.

But I do understand your line of thinking....

 

[JoeyArnold]

People who do not vote are the ones who are choosing not to get it.

 

[Shane Roach]

I don't agree.

Well, firstly, I am not abstaining from voting at all. But for president there simply is no viable candidate, and not voting for either is the only way I can think of to accurately portray my disdain for both candidates. Hopefully after the election the parties, in the process of dissecting their results, will note me and others who simply were so put off by both that we refused to support either.

 

[JoeyArnold]

Romney would do better than Obama.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Romney would do better than Obama.

Obama would do better than Romney.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Both would do worse than each other.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Tomk80]

http://lawreview.byu.edu/archives/1995/2/van.pdf

p. 568 begins to talk of specific subsidies. These begin to be politically charged and give the government influence in the church.

This is not in fact a restriction of freedom of religion. The subsidies have specific goals and churches or other establishments are free to use these subsidies or not.

Many established churches elsewhere in Europe are still the state church, and obviously this works against independant religious movements. In no few, the state church is heavily influenced by atheistic bureaucrats put in place to run them by the state.

Again, no. While it is true that in many countries churches are supported by the state in some way, this does not give the state control over what the churches do. Rather, it is more often the other way around. In countries where these practices restrict religious influence, such as Italy and Poland, this is due to the (often catholic) church, rather than due to socialism or any such other political movement. The church still has a lot of influence on politics, more so than the other way around.

The history of socialism in Europe just in general, especially post French Revolution, contains a lot of anti-clerical and anti-religious activism that led directly to much of the flight to the U.S. of folks looking for more religious freedom.

As far as I can ascertain, this is also incorrect, although I am not too well versed in this topic. There have been a number of immigration waves from Europe to the US. The first few were indeed for religious reasons, not due to socialism but rather due to religious persecution by the ruling churches. I could imagine that in the Napoleonic period after the French revolution religious immigration might have to occurred, due to the vehement anti-religious views of Napoleon.

In later years the driving factor for immigration was work. This drove the Italian, Irish and Polish immigrations. Russian immigration was driven by political oppression. Although this included religious oppression, it was in fact much wider than that.

 

[JoeyArnold]

the united nation wouldnt care if romney was no better than obama

 

[trientje]

Which candidate was for and implemented the following:

Expansion of the patriot act- ability to spy on American citizens without a warrant

NDAA- Power to detain any American and arrest them to fight the war on terror

Secret kill list-

Expand drone bombings- in countries we haven't declared war on. (drone wars and state secrecy)

 

[JoeyArnold]

for some reason, the united nation does not want romney to win

 

[JoeyArnold]

 

[revanneosl]

"Don't Mess with Texas" is an anti-littering campaign.

 

[JustMeSee]

I am going to vote for Joey Arnold.

 

[Skaloop]

I like how it says "Ole" instead of "ol'." Darn Mexicans taking over Texas...

 

[Chris81]

I am going to vote for Joey Arnold.

Me too, he seems like the right guy for the job.

 

[Dave Ellis]

First and foremost what the U.S. needs is a shakeup in their political system.... perhaps with a new third party.

As for me, I have right wing economic views, while I'm more of a centrist on social policies. Up here in Canada I've always voted for the Conservatives, and in U.S. Politics, I believe Ronald Reagan was one of the best presidents the country ever had.

That being said, I think the modern day republican party is a shell of it's former self. It's allowed itself to be hijacked by the religious right and special interest groups.... it is no longer the party of economic restraint and small decentralized government. It's more concerned about withholding rights from gays and women regarding marriage and abortion and stalling health care reform for the sake of making Obama look bad, than it is about addressing actual major issues.

In short, the republicans are not yet ready to govern again.... And I can't believe it, but if I was in the states, I think I'd actually have to back Obama.

His economic record is not great, but he inherited a complete mess from the Bush years. It's usually in the second term when policies start to take effect, and the economy is starting to show signs of finally recovering.... Either way, as far as I'm concerned, both parties are incompetent when it comes to handling the economy, however Obama wins when it comes to protecting individual rights and public health.

I feel kind of dirty supporting the democrats, but at this point, it's the lesser of two evils.

 

[JoeyArnold]

abortion is not a major issue?

 

[Redac]

abortion is not a major issue?

Not for everyone.

 

[JoeyArnold]

is abortion a major issue for everyone that is being aborted?