the 47% is what is in Romney's heart

[RedPaddy]

He does not want help from the Republicans - he goes around them in every area he can because he knows he can't get his corruption passed with them.

And more to the point, why would any Republicans go along with his proposals that are just wrong and contrary to what Republicans hold to be the right path? Compromise does not mean capitulation. I want Obama's democratic policies to be prevented whenever possible.

 

[SharonL]

corruption? I don't suppose you have any evidence of corruption?

The economy is the evidence. Obamacare passed behind closed doors, bribes galore. Senators given taxpayers money for their pet projects to switch over to Obama's side, Senator changing party affiliates to be the swing vote. Fast and Furious lies, many dead people over those lies, Executive orders to protect the guilty, car dealers forced to close while Obama bailed out his buddies, green energy buddies given tax payers money and in turn big bucks went to the Obama campaign - I don't need to give you links, it is obvious. Chicago style politics are not known for their honesty.

Just the sealing of all of his personal papers and life should have told the story before he even became president.

 

[JCSr]

The economy is the evidence. Obamacare passed behind closed doors, bribes galore. Senators given taxpayers money for their pet projects to switch over to Obama's side, Senator changing party affiliates to be the swing vote. Fast and Furious lies, many dead people over those lies, Executive orders to protect the guilty, car dealers forced to close while Obama bailed out his buddies, green energy buddies given tax payers money and in turn big bucks went to the Obama campaign - I don't need to give you links, it is obvious. Chicago style politics are not known for their honesty.

Just the sealing of all of his personal papers and life should have told the story before he even became president.

I see no evidence of corruption in your post. Your opinion of corruption has been noted.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

If you do not believe there is a vast right wing conspiracy, then why did you post the comment? I do not believe in a vast right wing conspiracy because it is common knowledge that the republicans are out to destroy Obama.

Is it your contention that republicans are not out to destroy Obama?

Ummm...it's called a deadpan snarker. Or something like that.

 

[GNJ]

Don't believe anything connected to Romney, sorry Mittens.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

Don't believe anything connected to Romney, sorry Mittens.

That is OK, we don't believe anything connected to Obama, so there.

 

[SolomonVII]

Romney said "It's not my job to worry about those people," he is talking about 47% of Americans that he says are won't take personal responsibility for himself.
If this was not in his heart it would not have come out. In public he said he is for 100%. Which side of Romney's mouth do you believe?

Offhand comments are not of the same order as well thought out answers.

Not everything I say comes out right either. I don't think that I am untypical in that regard. Often the first thing that comes to mind is a reflection of other half formed thoughts and emotions and says little about the topic at hand. When there is emotional frustration at not being able to get your message through, what is expressed in verbal impulses is the frustration rather than any underlying attitude of a priori rejection of the people being referred to.

As someone who puts reason over emotion, I tend to believe in the well thought out and reasoned response as a truer measure of the man, than a impulsive blurt of a few words that have more to do with the emotional state of the man at the time than the way his mind really works.

 

[USincognito]

Bitter clingers;

It's pretty ironic, given the context of the source of that meme, that you'd cite it in a 47% thread.

 

[USincognito]

No, I actually stole the phrase from Bill Clinton.

Psst... Hillary

 

[GNJ]

That is OK, we don't believe anything connected to Obama, so there.

Why exactly don't you guys like Obama?

 

[TheQuietRiot]

American politics is HILARIOUS. You all seem to get so fired up when someone criticises "your guy" and automatically assume that they then must support the "other guy".

Obama doesn't seem to have panned out like he said he would in his campaign (surprise, surprise) but what Romney said to his donors who had to shell $50,000 out to go hear him speak has made him unelectable. Whether or not he truly meant what he said is beside the point, because we can all agree that politicians will often say what they need to to get the votes and Romney could bet on that the donors who went to listen to him were certainly not in any part of that 47% that he described. The only trouble is now your political system has been forced into a 2-party mold from which I doubt it will ever break. Your only choice is to pick the lesser of 2 evils.

Also equally HILARIOUS is "Christian" posters calling those who don't pay income tax lazy and irresponsible (quite a judgement from a religion that is supposed to leave judgement to the big boss upstairs) and those such as RedPaddyassuming that the 47% who do not pay income tax actually believe they are..

are with obama
dependent upon government
believe you are a victim
feel govt has to care for you
feel entitled to healthcare
feel entitled to food
feel entitled to housing
feel goverment should give you all this
will vote for obama no matter what
will not take responsibility and care for your life

Well, thats about as judgemental as you get especially when you are talking around 150,000,000 people.

The main reason most people get welfare in any place in the world is simply because they do not earn enough. And amazingly enough, not earning enough is not always related to just being lazy, irresponsible, incompetent or all three. Sometimes life just takes a big steaming !%&# on you, no matter who you are and changes your life circumstances beyond what you can control and in a manner not of your choosing.

 

[JCSr]

assuming that the 47% who do not pay income tax actually believe they are..

Interesting comments. Just the other day I stated that I was one of the 47% who was with Obama and people told ME that I said I do not pay income taxes! Even after I told them I do they insisted that I said I did not! It makes me believe that some actually agree with Rmoney's 47% comment.

 

[RedPaddy]

...
Also equally HILARIOUS is "Christian" posters calling those who don't pay income tax lazy and irresponsible (quite a judgement from a religion that is supposed to leave judgement to the big boss upstairs) and those such as RedPaddyassuming that the 47% who do not pay income tax actually believe they are..

Well, thats about as judgemental as you get especially when you are talking around 150,000,000 people.
....

You seem to be confused on many things including this judging thing. Let me see if I can help remove some of your confusion.

What the Bible actually says is that we're not to judge a person's heart or motives. "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things," says Paul, "yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor 2:15-16). According to Paul true followers of Jesus are of the same mind. When you have the mind of Christ you have spiritual discernment. Christians (who are walking with Christ) have the authority to judge people's words and actions. How do you know if someone is a false teacher? Go to the scriptures! In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Paul says: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." How would you know what needs correcting or reproof if you were not to judge?

No doubt some Christians will continue to complain that "judging" is unbiblical and play the Mat. 7:1-3 card: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" What they fail to understand is that the Spirit of God abides in regenerate Christians. Hence we have the mind of Christ! As for the unbeliever, Scripture clearly teaches that the natural man [unregenerate] "receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor 2:14). So the unregenerate person does not — cannot — understand the things of God. Amazingly, a growing number of self-professed Christians think the things of God are foolishness.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

You seem to be confused on many things including this judging thing. Let me see if I can help remove some of your confusion.

What the Bible actually says is that we're not to judge a person's heart or motives. "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things," says Paul, "yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor 2:15-16). According to Paul true followers of Jesus are of the same mind. When you have the mind of Christ you have spiritual discernment. Christians (who are walking with Christ)* have the authority to judge people's words and actions. How do you know if someone is a false teacher? Go to the scriptures! In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Paul says: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." How would you know what needs correcting or reproof if you were not to judge?

No doubt some Christians will continue to complain that "judging" is unbiblical and play the Mat. 7:1-3 card: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" What they fail to understand is that the Spirit of God abides in regenerate Christians. Hence we have the mind of Christ! As for the unbeliever, Scripture clearly teaches that the natural man [unregenerate] "receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor 2:14). So the unregenerate person does not — cannot — understand the things of God. Amazingly, a growing number of self-professed Christians think the things of God are foolishness.

*No true Scotsman fallacy.

So the Paul states that True Christians (TM) may judge others, but Matt clearly states that even True Christians (TM) should definitely not judge lest they be judged.

You seem to have demonstrated a contradiction in teachings rather than clearing anything up for me. Also, hilarious.

Even more hilarious is that you claim to know the hearts and minds of 150,000,000 people and can also pass judgement on the actions of that 150 million people. And on what criteria except by which candidate they chose to vote for!?

You mate are hilarious.

 

[RedPaddy]

*No true Scotsman fallacy.

So the Paul states that True Christians (TM) may judge others, but Matt clearly states that even True Christians (TM) should definitely not judge lest they be judged.

You seem to have demonstrated a contradiction in teachings rather than clearing anything up for me. Also, hilarious.

Even more hilarious is that you claim to know the hearts and minds of 150,000,000 people and can also pass judgement on the actions of that 150 million people. And on what criteria except by which candidate they chose to vote for!?

You mate are hilarious.

Not at all surprised here. Scripture claims you will find things foolishness and you have proven scripture true yet again. Have a great day my friend.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Not at all surprised here. Scripture claims you will find things foolishness and you have proven scripture true yet again. Have a great day my friend.

And my book (which isn't actually a book but more of a notepad I buried under the dirt for 3 years to make it look old) claims that you will hand wave my response by pulling something out of your book! Imagine that.

If you thought my words foolishness then why even bother to respond to my original post?

 

[RedPaddy]

And my book (which isn't actually a book but more of a notepad I buried under the dirt for 3 years to make it look old) claims that you will hand wave my response by pulling something out of your book! Imagine that.

It never ceases to amaze me how scripture is proven out time and time again in everyday situations. A couple thousand years ago, the following was written and appears to be proven over and over: For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy....

If you thought my words foolishness then why even bother to respond to my original post?

Like I said, trying to help and remove some of your confusion. Scripture never returns void. The anger of the LORD will not turn back until he fully accomplishes the purposes of his heart. In days to come you will understand it clearly.

 

[Thekla]

You seem to be confused on many things including this judging thing. Let me see if I can help remove some of your confusion.

What the Bible actually says is that we're not to judge a person's heart or motives. "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things," says Paul, "yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ" (1Cor 2:15-16). According to Paul true followers of Jesus are of the same mind. When you have the mind of Christ you have spiritual discernment. Christians (who are walking with Christ) have the authority to judge people's words and actions. How do you know if someone is a false teacher? Go to the scriptures! In 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Paul says: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." How would you know what needs correcting or reproof if you were not to judge?

No doubt some Christians will continue to complain that "judging" is unbiblical and play the Mat. 7:1-3 card: "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" What they fail to understand is that the Spirit of God abides in regenerate Christians. Hence we have the mind of Christ! As for the unbeliever, Scripture clearly teaches that the natural man [unregenerate] "receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor 2:14). So the unregenerate person does not — cannot — understand the things of God. Amazingly, a growing number of self-professed Christians think the things of God are foolishness.

Then the questions are suggested:

1. does Gov. Romney, who is not a Christian, have the spiritual discernment to know the motivation and heart of "the 47%" ?

2. do you, a Christian, have the spiritual discernment to know and judge the motivation and heart of 47% of the US population ?

 

[RedPaddy]

on 1, you'll have to ask him.

on 2, read my post again, it appears you may have skipped the 1st line of the 2nd paragraph. However, we do have authority to judge words and actions.

 

[Thekla]

on 1, you'll have to ask him.

Wouldn't one with spiritual discernment know ?

on 2, read my post again, it appears you may have skipped the 1st line of the 2nd paragraph. However, we do have authority to judge words and actions.

This:

No doubt some Christians will continue to complain that "judging" is unbiblical and play the Mat. 7:1-3 card: "Judge not, that ye be not judged.

I am asking you about your discernment - could you explain how the above statement (if I've got the right one) is related to my question to you ?