Why do some people think Hell isn't real?

[LutheranMafia]

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[Timothew]

If you think that atheists are so right then why bother with religion at all?

I follow Jesus Christ who has promised to return and resurrect all of the dead. This means to return them to life. And He promised to give his followers eternal life.

 

[Fascinated With God]

Hey Timorthew, you never answered my last question to you a month ago:

So if the soul survives the first death and is never destroyed in people who never die the second death (as per Matt 10:28), why is it that the first death destroys the spirit but not the soul?

 

[LutheranMafia]

I follow Jesus Christ who has promised to return and resurrect all of the dead. This means to return them to life. And He promised to give his followers eternal life.

Extolling the correctness of atheism hardly makes you a faithful follower of any religion.

 

[Timothew]

Extolling the correctness of atheism hardly makes you a faithful follower of any religion.

Just the english dictionary, okay? The dictionary that the translators used.

 

[Timothew]

Hey Timorthew, you never answered my last question to you a month ago:

So if the soul survives the first death and is never destroyed in people who never die the second death (as per Matt 10:28), why is it that the first death destroys the spirit but not the soul?

They die until the resurrection, as the bible states. Then you either get eternal life, or not. "Not" is eternal death.

 

[seeingeyes]

Just the english dictionary, okay? The dictionary that the translators used.

Heathen dictionary! For shame! Don't you know athiests use those?! Unclean!

 

[Fascinated With God]

They die until the resurrection, as the bible states. Then you either get eternal life, or not. "Not" is eternal death.

The Bible does not state that the soul is destroyed in the first death. Matthew 10:28 clearly contradicts the notion that first death involves the destruction of the soul.

 

[LutheranMafia]

Heathen dictionary! For shame! Don't you know athiests use those?! Unclean!

So you get your theology from a dictionary? No wonder you're theology is so insightful!

 

[LutheranMafia]

Just the english dictionary, okay? The dictionary that the translators used.

Show me a single dictionary that asserts that atheists are correct about death?

 

[Timothew]

Show me a single dictionary that asserts that atheists are correct about death?

I think the point is that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son so that whoever believes in him will not perish but will have eternal life, don't you?

But if you need a dictionary definition for "death" as in "the wages of sin is death", I suppose that I can look it up for you. Here's how I do it, so you can look it up your self next time:
Google death definition
Click on Death / Define Death at Dictionary.com
Highlight the definition, right click and copy
Post it here:
1. the act of dying; the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism. Compare brain death.
2. an instance of this: a death in the family; letters published after his death.
3. the state of being dead: to lie still in death.
4. extinction; destruction: It will mean the death of our hopes.
5. manner of dying: a hero's death.

Now, look at the definition of death. It never means "To continue to live".
This is the definition of death, and this is what death means when it is used by the translators of the bible. If you have your own personal definition of death, that is too bad. That isn't the definition that the translators were thinking of when they translated thanatos.

You can sneer at me all you want with your witty posts. But unless you use the proper definitions for words, you will not know what the bible says.

 

[Timothew]

The Bible does not state that the soul is destroyed in the first death. Matthew 10:28 clearly contradicts the notion that first death involves the destruction of the soul.

You are correct. That would be the second death. Which is just what I've been saying all along.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Timothew Just the english dictionary, okay? The dictionary that the translators used.

Show me a single dictionary that asserts that atheists are correct about death?

Show us one that they are not correct?

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[Timothew]

Heathen dictionary! For shame! Don't you know athiests use those?! Unclean!

It starts to get ridiculous, doesn't it?

I also drink the same water that atheists drink and breathe the same air.

 

[LutheranMafia]

Now, look at the definition of death. It never means "To continue to live".

Show me any definition of death that describes the destruction of either the spirit or the soul? Either one will do just fine.

This is the definition of death, and this is what death means when it is used by the translators of the bible.

So now you are asserting that Bible translators (besides JW's) agree with atheists about death? Come on, get real.

If you have your own personal definition of death, that is too bad.

Not having an atheist's definition of death hardly means that I have my own personal definition. Fewer than 1 in 20 people are atheists, which is by far the largest group that agrees with you, but you act like anyone that doesn't agree with atheists are way out crazies.

That isn't the definition that the translators were thinking of when they translated thanatos.

You can sneer at me all you want with your witty posts. But unless you use the proper definitions for words, you will not know what the bible says.

I am not sneering at you, I am just pointing out that you are way out on a limb trying to assert the correctness of atheists. Now you are trying to assert that Bible translators agree with atheists about death, which I think that you know very well is completely false. Why are you so emotionally attached to your theology that you can't look at it objectively, and feel OK with making wildly false assertions like this? If I were to start making such obviously false assertions I would stop and check myself, having become aware that my emotions were clearly clouding my judgment.

 

[Timothew]

Is there a "Christian Dictionary"?

Fellowhipping: Eating

Sharing: Gossiping

Worshipping God: Singing

Being a good witness: not smoking in front of other people

Witnessing: Telling people who don't want to hear about how Jesus got you to quit smoking.

Reading through the bible in a year: Reading through the bible in two years.

Praying: Complaining to God about one's crummy job.

 

[LutheranMafia]

It starts to get ridiculous, doesn't it?

I also drink the same water that atheists drink and breathe the same air.

Ah yes, I am ridiculous, but you are not sneering at me, I am supposedly sneering at you. Such hypocrisy.

 

[LutheranMafia]

Is there a "Christian Dictionary"?

No, but you so boldly claimed that the dictionary clearly agrees with atheism. As I said, show me a single dictionary that defines death as the annihilation of either the soul or the spirit, and you will have easily won this debate.

 

[Timothew]

Show me any definition of death that describes the destruction of either the spirit or the soul? Either one will do just fine.

Would a bible verse work, or does it have to be from an atheist's dictionary?

How about Matthew 10:28?
Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[LutheranMafia]

Show us one that they are not correct?

Unlike Timothew, I am not relying on the dictionary for theological concepts. I know of no dictionary that takes any theological stance on death.