Why do some people think Hell isn't real?

[Timothew]

How about reading Matthew 25?

Seriously, I get tired of this run around.

Not that it really matters, but if you look at the Catholic version, you will see a bit more conviction in the words.
NEW ADVENT BIBLE: Matthew 25

How about Matthew 25? Do you suppose this supports the idea that the eternal punishment is eternal torment? Matt 25 doesn't say that. Sorry.

What is the run around? Bible reading? If you are tired, maybe you should rest for a little while. I suppose I could take a look at your denomination's bible version.





Nope, your position of eternal torment in hell is not helped at all by Matt 25 in the New Advent Bible. Sorry.
Why do you disagree with John 3:16, "That whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life"?

 

[Norah63]

The OP was, "why do some people think hell isn't real".
Many have given their thoughts on this. some people don't like anyone else to have
a thought different than their own, that's understandable.
Maybe it is a word that ISN'T used in the original post that is the stumbling block.
That word is eternal. Cause if you don't believe in hell, why would eternal be added to it? (not so bad if it ain't eternal?)
do a lot of people who do not believe in hell, believe in eternal heaven?

 

[Timothew]

The OP was, "why do some people think hell isn't real".
Many have given their thoughts on this. some people don't like anyone else to have
a thought different than their own, that's understandable.
Maybe it is a word that ISN'T used in the original post that is the stumbling block.
That word is eternal. Cause if you don't believe in hell, why would eternal be added to it? (not so bad if it ain't eternal?)
do a lot of people who do not believe in hell, believe in eternal heaven?

Then why did you post this?

You said it true DrBubbaLove, thats the real reason for sure.

That's NOT the real reason.
What does the Bible say? That's what I believe. The wages of sin is death. That leaves out eternal torture in hell, wouldn't you agree?

 

[SilenceInMotion]

How about Matthew 25? Do you suppose this supports the idea that the eternal punishment is eternal torment? Matt 25 doesn't say that. Sorry.

What is the run around? Bible reading? If you are tired, maybe you should rest for a little while. I suppose I could take a look at your denomination's bible version.





Nope, your position of eternal torment in hell is not helped at all by Matt 25 in the New Advent Bible. Sorry.
Why do you disagree with John 3:16, "That whoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal life"?

Hell is certain in the Bible. There is no cure for such denial, though. Even if the Bible literally stated 'Timothew, Hell exists', you would still try to run around it. It is as hopeless as the notion that the Earth is 6000 years old- no matter what, nothing suffices for contrary evidence by those who believe it.

And my church is not a denomination, it is the Church which yours and others denominated from.

Matthew 25 tells of Hell, as well as every other NT book. It takes a really extreme denial complex to take away that truth.

 

[Timothew]

Hell is certain in the Bible. There is no cure for such denial, though. Even if the Bible literally stated 'Timothew, Hell exists', you would still try to run around it. It is as hopeless as the notion that the Earth is 6000 years old- no matter what, nothing suffices for contrary evidence by those who believe it.

And my church is not a denomination, it is the Church which yours and others denominated from.

Matthew 25 tells of Hell, as well as every other NT book. It takes a really extreme denial complex to take away that truth.

I do not deny anything the bible says. Where do you think Matthew 25 talks about Hell? Let's talk about that rather than just name calling.

 

[Timothew]

And my church is not a denomination, it is the Church which yours and others denominated from.

Okay, My Church is not a denomination either. It is The Church from which the others denominated from.

 

[Timothew]

Hell is certain in the Bible. There is no cure for such denial, though. Even if the Bible literally stated 'Timothew, Hell exists', you would still try to run around it.

And even if the bible literally stated, "The wages of sin is death" would you still try to run around it and claim that the wages of sin is eternal torture in hell?

The bible does literally state that the wages of sin is death.

 

[dollarsbill]

Jesus talks about Hell plenty in Scripture.

So, it's more like you are 'cherry picking' rather then 'plainly reading'.

Strongly agree!

 

[dollarsbill]

Did the Apostle Paul mention it?

Did Jesus? Yeah!

 

[dollarsbill]

How about Matthew 25? Do you suppose this supports the idea that the eternal punishment is eternal torment? Matt 25 doesn't say that. Sorry.

It does indeed support eternal punishment. That's why it uses the EXACT same Greek words for 'eternal life' and 'eternal punishment'. NEVER ending.

 

[LutheranMafia]

Okay, My Church is not a denomination either. It is The Church from which the others denominated from.

How is that?

Welcome back, Timothew.

 

[LutheranMafia]

And even if the bible literally stated, "The wages of sin is death" would you still try to run around it and claim that the wages of sin is eternal torture in hell?

The bible does literally state that the wages of sin is death.

The problem is that your interpretation is based on assuming that atheists are right about death being annihilation. Adopting an atheist's definition of death does not make the Bible suddenly come alive for most people.

 

[Timothew]

How is that?

Welcome back, Timothew.

It's a Christian Church. Yours too, I presume.

The Christian Church goes way back to the day of Pentecost described in the Book of Acts.

 

[Timothew]

The problem is that your interpretation is based on assuming that atheists are right about death being annihilation. Adopting an atheist's definition of death does not make the Bible suddenly come alive for most people.

I merely use the same definitions for death and such that the translators used when translating the bible. If thanatos really meant "separation" (there is a greek word for separation) the translators would have written "separation" instead of death. The reason that atheists and I have the same definition for death is only because that IS the definition for death. If you think that death means "eternal life in hell", then you need to think again.

Read John 3:16, I'm not "interpreting" it. I agree with what it says. Do you?

 

[dollarsbill]

To believe that 'death' means 'cease to exist' is a TOTAL misunderstanding and TOTALLY unScriptural.

 

[Timothew]

It does indeed support eternal punishment. That's why it uses the EXACT same Greek words for 'eternal life' and 'eternal punishment'. NEVER ending.

Matthew 25:46 which you are referring to do not say "eternal torment". So it does not support tormentism unless one insists that the only possible way to punish someone is to torment them. Death is also a punishment, and it is eternal. And according to the Bible, the wages of sin is death. People either receive eternal life from Jesus Christ or they perish. See John 3:16.

 

[Timothew]

To believe that 'death' means 'cease to exist' is a TOTAL misunderstanding and TOTALLY unScriptural.

To believe that "death" means "to continue to exist" is a total misunderstanding and totally unscriptural. Those that perish do not receive eternal life. See John 3:16

 

[LutheranMafia]

The reason that atheists and I have the same definition for death is only because that IS the definition for death.

If you think that atheists are so right then why bother with religion at all?

If you think that death means "eternal life in hell", then you need to think again.

So if I don't think that atheists are right then I need to think again?

 

[dollarsbill]

To believe that "death" means "to continue to exist" is a total misunderstanding and totally unscriptural. Those that perish do not receive eternal life. See John 3:16

There are several instances of the dead still living in the NT. But none say cease to exist.

 

[LutheranMafia]

To believe that "death" means "to continue to exist" is a total misunderstanding and totally unscriptural. Those that perish do not receive eternal life. See John 3:16

How is non-atheism unscriptural? Amen to those atheists!