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Scientific Noah's flood.

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I have already mentioned that there are several types of deposition in the limestone formation process, this includes both chemical precipitates and fossils.

Note the scale in the link below. (source: USGS)

Geology of National Parks

Limestone layers of that thickness take much more than the duration of Noah's flood.

You mentioned forams. I said rarely limestone with abundant forams will have hundreds of feet thickness. The foram-enriched layer may only be a few feet or at most a few tens of feet thick.

You also need to be aware that the water chemistry during the global flood should be very different from the normal seawater today. You can not use the current rate of carbonate pptn to model what could have happened in the global flood. I would say the Ca concentration in the ocean water should be sky high during the event. The temperature should also be higher. Not only the very fast precipitation of carbonate was possible, the deposition of carbonate layers should continue for a long time after the event of flood.
 
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You mentioned forams. I said rarely limestone with abundant forams will have hundreds of feet thickness. The foram-enriched layer may only be a few feet or at most a few tens of feet thick.

You also need to be aware that the water chemistry during the global flood should be very different from the normal seawater today. You can not use the current rate of carbonate pptn to model what could have happened in the global flood. I would say the Ca concentration in the ocean water should be sky high during the event. The temperature should also be higher. Not only the very fast precipitation of carbonate was possible, the deposition of carbonate layers should continue for a long time after the event of flood.

Yeah, just keep making stuff up. You are beginning to sound like dad, "chemistry was different then". If the laws of physics don't suit you, just make up new ones.
 
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Really you know that little about the KJV. AV can you answer this question for me. Tks
Methinks he's be facetious to wear us down ... but I'll certainly do my best. :)
 
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So you admit you get your information from ghosts?
The Bible was written by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21b ... but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
 
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Yeah, just keep making stuff up. You are beginning to sound like dad, "chemistry was different then". If the laws of physics don't suit you, just make up new ones.

This is the end of your learning.
 
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This is the end of your learning.
Arrogance, the best way to respond when someone calls you out on your hubris.

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The Bible was written by the Holy Ghost.

2 Peter 1:21b ... but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Maybe it is the Holy part that confuses them. To be Holy is to be set apart from the world and from sin. To live right or righteous before God. John Wesley lead a Holiness movement but it did not seem to last long. Life got very easy for them and they got very complacent.
 
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Maybe it is the Holy part that confuses them.
Nothing is sacred when one believes we came out of the jungle as mutant copy-errors, made in the image & likeness of God.

That's why they say we created God, rather than the other way around.
 
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Nothing is sacred when one believes we came out of the jungle as mutant copy-errors, made in the image & likeness of God.

That's why they say we created God, rather than the other way around.

When you place your religious beliefs ahead of the suffering of your fellow humans you become an irrelevance to any discussion about what is sacred.
 
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Nothing is sacred when one believes we came out of the jungle as mutant copy-errors, made in the image & likeness of God.

That's why they say we created God, rather than the other way around.

How many gods has man created? Just a ball-park number please. :wave:
 
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I assume you mean the KJV only:confused:;)
[Verbal plenary] inspiration is not [divine] preservation.

Inspiration and preservation are two different doctrines, but pertain to the same Thing ... the Bible.
 
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When is yours going to start... I wonder... hmmm......?

There is enough to learn on the earth. There is more to learn in the Heaven. If you care (dare) to lure me to learn something from you, I will. You try that.
 
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