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Easy G (G²);61456950 said:
It seems we are no longer the country of innovation and entrepreneurship - we're stodgy global has-beens.
As has been noted, corporations are in fact competition and risk-averse (the opposite of the US capitalism mythology). Real capitalists are moving forward in green energy, and as with most new tech - are receiving govt. support.
The US ? still giving 16 billion a year to the oil sector (and tax breaks on top of that) ...
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Hi, Thekla.
What marketplace?
If we had bothered to invest in this sector, we could have been selling to Germany, Saudi Arabia, China, India, Tunisia, etc. etc. ... because they're all buying and investing.
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That is not the whole of the issue; how's the US govt. giving 16 billion$ a year to big oil vs. a town in Bavaria supplying all its energy needs and selling back onto the grid for 5.7 million$ a year working for us ?
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There are many within the country who need to be considered when it comes to the issue of innovation in the global market place (i.e. Will Allen whom the First Lady worked with in the campaign to address obesity and find ways of sustainable development--more here, here or here, Majora Carter, Van Jons, etc).
GREEN JOBS NOT JAILS - The Third Wave of Environmentalism
The Green Collar Economy - Van Jones of the Center for ...
Will Allen Keynote, Shared Tables Symposium, 2/29/12
Growing Power Weekend - Urban Farming for Food Security
You Can Grow Food in the Snow - A Visit to Will Allen's Growing Power
It often seems that for many people who grow up in certain areas innovation is a must for survival--but for others who've never seen things work in action up close/personal, it's always a matter of thinking it won't work. Because the U.S has failed to learn from its mistakes when it didn't listen to the real capitalists who were wanting to invest in alternative energy (George Washington Carver being one amongst many who saw way in advance the reality of Big Oil being an issue), it won't be surprising that we keep falling further and further behind......and yet continue to keep blaming the President for the foolishness of others who refuse to see good opportunities to help. If alive toda, George Washington Carver would sadly not be considered even when he was decades ahead of his time when it came to things such as ethanol based on corn syrup---and as he already revolutionized the agriculture of the South/saved it and even made inventions used in car doors via plants, and encouraged others to look into industrial uses from agriculture and biotechnology. Because others already have the resources to make fuel from algae--with 5 companies already using it....and others have been finding ways to do well with all of the trash/waste we make, it's odd to see how much the U.S often seems to make excuses for why things can't be done.
As said elsewhere, it may never change so long as Big Buisnesses with oil/traditional energy sources keep up the mantra that alternative cannot be invested in without financial damage and unsustainabiltiy (despite where the traditional is already running out and has been shown to always be damaging long term). I really wish people would support him more in what it is he was trying to do with Green-Collar" jobs and keeping jobs here locally....
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Easy G (G²);61457069 said:
And this, imo, is where $ in politics takes us - the old guard in business is interested in maintaining their position (which is understandable) and influences political decisions through various means.
How many oil companies are interested in shifting the focus on global warming to who caused it (rather than the what is of it) whilst waiting for the perma-frost to recede sufficiently to gain access for drilling ?
We could have jumped into solar in the 80s - and didn't. Had we, who knows what our present position in global sales would be ...
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By "giving" you mean "not taking in the form of taxes", right?
The failure in that train of thought is that the money belongs to the Govt. when in fact it belongs to the earner.
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What regulations does Bolivia place on its businesses as oposed to the myriad list the US gov imposes on our businesses? Feel free to include healthcare mandates, insurance coverage, environmental regs, etc.
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It wasn't cost effective at the time. Without govt subsidies, which you continually oppose, it still isn't.
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No - as the CATO Institute pointed out, the 16 billion is in govt. giveaways. They figure tax breaks (about 22 billion) as a separate phenomenon.
As an aside - I don't know what money you use, but the coins I have belong to the US govt. and the bills belong to the Federal Reserve - says so right on the bill.
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Propoganda comes into play here as well whenever it comes to that which is different. I'm reminded of what happened when people once railed that it was impossible to ever see men fly, until the Wright brothers, Orville (August 19, 1871 January 30, 1948) and Wilbur (April 16, 1867 May 30, 1912), did what they did as aviation pioneers credited with inventing and building the world's first successful airplane and making a new industry.
For others saying it was a foolish investment to work with what they did, now it is something where people look back and don't even question that travel by air is practical...and would look with raised eyebrows at others saying it shouldn't of been invested in
Indeed..
Missed opportunities are always a pity...
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no, the money I receive as compensation for my time, efforts, etc in the form aof a paycheck is mine. The physical coin is perhaps the physical property of the fed, but the value is the property of the earner.
As to the govt giveaways, can you post examples of these checks being cut to the oil companies or is this more theoretical?
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Only the bills belong to the Fed; the coin belongs to the US govt.
The supposed value of your work is paid in 'stuff' that doesn't belong to you.
I've posted it several times previously, here's the most recent CATO report on the matter ...
Corporate Welfare in the Federal Budget | Tad DeHaven | Cato Institute: Policy Analysis
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If that's true then we have a lot of people in jail that are there on charges of robbing money from banks that really shouldn't be there. It wasn't the bank's money.
Thanks for the link. I find it "interesting" that your definition of corporate welfare includes FHA loan guarantees, Small Business Association loan guarantees, drinking water for citizens in 17 states, and R&D for medical and scientific endeavors.Thekla said:
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It's the CATO Institute's definition - and if Solyndra is a problem, all of it is (including the sizeable chunk to the Oil sector).
Either we continue it or we don't.
As for robbing a bank - the 'stuff' in the bank still belongs to the Fed and the govt. Whether or not I like it, the currency belongs to "Caesar". Wealth is not money/currency.
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When I asked you for your definition you provided the link to CATO's definition. Commutative property says it is us thus your definition. Please feel free to restate your definiton if you disagree with the first one you put forth.
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Sure, I'd call it that.
But I was trying to clarify that it did not originate with me.
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Good for you. Let me give you a hand
It doesn't matter who the source is, it is a long standing joke I've been hearing for years. You just don't like it so you are trying very hard to discredit the whole thing. But whole intent of the joke was to point out your exact behavior right now.
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